Biker enforcement

There are 14 comments on the Aug 13, 2008, Pasadena Star-News story titled Biker enforcement. In it, Pasadena Star-News reports that:

The winding, two-lane Angeles Crest Highway just north of La Ca ada Flintridge should be carefully navigated, but all too often speed-loving motorcyclists treat it as a racetrack - with deadly consequences, ...

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Dino

Covina, CA

#22 Aug 15, 2008
Matt - Yeah, you sparked some interest.

As for nobody looking in their blind spots? Do you?

I turn my head, I look in my mirror and turn my head again before changing lanes. I'm on a bike. How many often do most motorists do that much before they change lanes?

I understand your point on lane splitting. Sure...
But, it will never fly. CHP won't allow it. It benefits them way too much.

Plate size? I don't know what that really has to do with anything. Would a bigger plate make you look to see if there was a bike there? Would it stop you from making a left turn in front of me?
Rider for Life

Montebello, CA

#23 Aug 23, 2008
I've been riding for 20 years. Going to Angeles Crest for fun for 9 years. Saw and heard of a lot of senseless deaths up there. However, education is the key.

The CHP "spanking" does nothing other than a short term abatement and when the $$$ runs out, the bikers come back. It's a band aid on an arterial wound.

I ride safely within my limits. That's what we need to teach new motorcycle riders who can walk into any dealer and come out with a 160 horsepower missile with zero experience. Until the rules are changed to educate new riders on the dangers, it'll never change.
defrty

United States

#24 Aug 23, 2008
We need to get rid of the state helmet law, too. Helmets just impede rider's vision, and really do little to reduce injuries. Helmet laws just pad the insurance company's coffers; they don't really care about rider's injuries, they just want to protect their businesses.

Hey, you know they brought the helmet law in to effect right at the same time Garamendi got into office, and when that Executive Life Insurance Company seizure was taking off? See how the insurance companies work those things?

Well, I don't know, but I don't like the helmet law.
Not me

Downey, CA

#25 Aug 23, 2008
Dino wrote:
Something that does bother me about this article, the number of motorcycle fatalities in Los Angeles county for 2007 seems unrealistically low.
"Out of nine motorcycle-related fatalities reported in Los Angeles County last year, six occurred on Angeles Crest, said Sgt. Matt Armenta of California Highway Patrol's Altadena office, which patrols the mountain road."
That just doesn't sound right...
That's because a lot of those guys are severely injured, not killed instantly. Their medical expenses run into the millions and long term care is astronomical...but we are such a rich country that the Gov't can pay for it with our tax $$ and those guys can enjoy their free riding.
baggy clothes terrorist

United States

#26 Aug 24, 2008
lane splitting saves lives by the biker not ending up as a sandwich between two bumpers from those playing with there cell phone. no the new cell phone law has not helped. now idiots are looking down so they wont be seen with the cell to their ear. any motorcycle that stops behind a car bumper is an idiot and open prey. how many rear ends have you seen on the freeway when traffic comes to a halt? use between cars for protection even if you do not ride splitting the lane to the front of a stop sign or red light. government needs to pull their head out of their anus and we need to start electing some with a half of a brain minimum. for anti 2 wheelers, lets go off roading so i can use you for traction. loud pipes are also a bikers protection while you are listening to your loud rap crap music and playing with your cell. i wonder how many barrels of oil i have saved in my lifetime while using a motorcycle and a 1.8L nissan. no i have never had to follow a bunch of morons jumping into a minivan, then an suv and now the CROSSOVER. hurry moron go buy your crossdresser. should go good with the public since it seems your all pro gay now.
Dino

Covina, CA

#27 Aug 24, 2008
Not me wrote:
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That's because a lot of those guys are severely injured, not killed instantly. Their medical expenses run into the millions and long term care is astronomical...but we are such a rich country that the Gov't can pay for it with our tax $$ and those guys can enjoy their free riding.
Our tax dollars? WHAT???

You're going to sit there and tell me that your tax dollars are paying their medical expenses? Who fed that nonsense to you?

Sure, there are a few that don't have insurance. But, I really don't believe its all that many. I've had 100-percent medical for over 25 years. And most of my friends that ride have 100-percent medical.

So, I don't buy the nonsense about your tax dollars. Even if I did, I pay taxes too. I should be able to get a little return on what I've paid in. My taxes pay for enough other stupid things that I don't agree with. Let a biker get a little return on my money...
baggy clothes terrorist wrote:
lane splitting saves lives by the biker not ending up as a sandwich between two bumpers from those playing with there cell phone. no the new cell phone law has not helped. now idiots are looking down so they wont be seen with the cell to their ear. any motorcycle that stops behind a car bumper is an idiot and open prey. how many rear ends have you seen on the freeway when traffic comes to a halt? use between cars for protection even if you do not ride splitting the lane to the front of a stop sign or red light. government needs to pull their head out of their anus and we need to start electing some with a half of a brain minimum. for anti 2 wheelers, lets go off roading so i can use you for traction. loud pipes are also a bikers protection while you are listening to your loud rap crap music and playing with your cell. i wonder how many barrels of oil i have saved in my lifetime while using a motorcycle and a 1.8L nissan. no i have never had to follow a bunch of morons jumping into a minivan, then an suv and now the CROSSOVER. hurry moron go buy your crossdresser. should go good with the public since it seems your all pro gay now.
I never stop behind a car if I can avoid it. I will split the lane up to the front and make sure I'm safe. Sure, I may have a few drivers bent out of shape about it. I don't care. I will not take a Toyota Enema because they're not paying attention. Nope...

If I have to stop behind a car, I still look for the gap between cars. Figure if I'm gonna hit, I want to be pushed into the gap, rather than slammed into a bumper...
No beans

Downey, CA

#28 Aug 24, 2008
Dino wrote:
<quoted text>Our tax dollars? WHAT???
You're going to sit there and tell me that your tax dollars are paying their medical expenses? Who fed that nonsense to you?
Sure, there are a few that don't have insurance. But, I really don't believe its all that many. I've had 100-percent medical for over 25 years. And most of my friends that ride have 100-percent medical.
So, I don't buy the nonsense about your tax dollars. Even if I did, I pay taxes too. I should be able to get a little return on what I've paid in. My taxes pay for enough other stupid things that I don't agree with. Let a biker get a little return on my money...
<quoted text>
I never stop behind a car if I can avoid it. I will split the lane up to the front and make sure I'm safe. Sure, I may have a few drivers bent out of shape about it. I don't care. I will not take a Toyota Enema because they're not paying attention. Nope...
If I have to stop behind a car, I still look for the gap between cars. Figure if I'm gonna hit, I want to be pushed into the gap, rather than slammed into a bumper...
Check out the annual and life time cap on your 100% medical. Check with someone who has had a serious & permanent injury and find out how much 100% really covers. Disability insurance is part of Social Security, which is publicly funded. Riders who sustain permanent injuries are of course "entitled" to receive SS benefits.
Duh

National City, CA

#29 Aug 24, 2008
I think motorcyle helmets are dangerous. Have you ever wondered what happens when you are driving a car and a guy wearing a regulation helmet coming the opposite way on his motorcycle somehow gets hit and launched into the air and hits your windshield? It's sort of like a copper jacketed bullet, with total penetration through your winshield right into your face. That's dangerous and I wish those that don't want to wear one could do so freely becuase their unprotected skull will splatter like a bug on my widshield keeping me and my family much safer while driving our car.
lpoth

United States

#30 Aug 24, 2008
Duh wrote:
keeping me and my family much safer while driving our car.
And your safety is important. Everyone realizes that, and they all wish that you find your death somewhere other than on the state's highways.

But if you wouldn't have hit the motorcyclist to begin with, he, no doubt, wouldn't have been airborne at all. Proving that helmets just don't work, even the chrome ones that are, or should be, impossible to miss.
Dino

Covina, CA

#31 Aug 25, 2008
No beans wrote:
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Check out the annual and life time cap on your 100% medical. Check with someone who has had a serious & permanent injury and find out how much 100% really covers. Disability insurance is part of Social Security, which is publicly funded. Riders who sustain permanent injuries are of course "entitled" to receive SS benefits.
I know my annual and lifetime limits as well. I also carry death and disability insurance.

As for SS? I've been paying into that "publicly funded" system for over 40 years, since 1972. So, if something happens, I shouldn't receive anything from my contributions?
Nimby

Downey, CA

#32 Aug 25, 2008
Dino wrote:
<quoted text>I know my annual and lifetime limits as well. I also carry death and disability insurance.
As for SS? I've been paying into that "publicly funded" system for over 40 years, since 1972. So, if something happens, I shouldn't receive anything from my contributions?
For a self-inflicted injury cause by your choice to participate in a high-risk activity? I pay into the same system, in the same ratio( for a long period of time!), but I do not participate in high-risk activities....see the point?
NADA

Downey, CA

#33 Aug 25, 2008
Does life insurance coverage still pay if you die parachuting?
Dino

Covina, CA

#34 Aug 26, 2008
Nimby wrote:
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For a self-inflicted injury cause by your choice to participate in a high-risk activity? I pay into the same system, in the same ratio( for a long period of time!), but I do not participate in high-risk activities....see the point?
Well, at this point in my coverage (I've had it for over 20 years) I can commit suicide and am still covered...

I understand your point. There are policies that limit activities....
Durwin

Chatsworth, CA

#35 Sep 24, 2008
Dino wrote:
Oh please! Bigger plates? No lane splitting?
IF we weren't allow to split lanes, traffic would be a lot worse than it is now. CHP and the police wouldn't be able to get to an emergency nearly as fast...
Need to overhaul the laws though. Something like "Kill a biker, go to jail".
As for the article, they need to do something up there. Lots of fast riding going on. Folks a bit short on experience end up getting in over their heads and hurt or dead. Way too easy to do when you've got a bunch of power at the twist of your wrist and lack the skills to handle it.
I agree with you. I've been riding the crest for about 8 years. If you can't handle your bike and yourself don't go up there. CBR1000.

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