Biker enforcement

Biker enforcement

There are 34 comments on the Pasadena Star-News story from Aug 13, 2008, titled Biker enforcement. In it, Pasadena Star-News reports that:

The winding, two-lane Angeles Crest Highway just north of La Ca ada Flintridge should be carefully navigated, but all too often speed-loving motorcyclists treat it as a racetrack - with deadly consequences, ...

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matt

United States

#1 Aug 13, 2008
they need to do more to stop abusive riders - like overhauling the motorcycle laws - no lane splitting and make the license plate big enough to actually make the bikers feel less anonymious. they are a menace and innocent people get caught up in their extended adolecence. also they should be subject to noise restrictions like cars . . .
Dino

Glendora, CA

#2 Aug 13, 2008
Oh please! Bigger plates? No lane splitting?

IF we weren't allow to split lanes, traffic would be a lot worse than it is now. CHP and the police wouldn't be able to get to an emergency nearly as fast...

Need to overhaul the laws though. Something like "Kill a biker, go to jail".

As for the article, they need to do something up there. Lots of fast riding going on. Folks a bit short on experience end up getting in over their heads and hurt or dead. Way too easy to do when you've got a bunch of power at the twist of your wrist and lack the skills to handle it.
joey p

La Canada Flintridge, CA

#3 Aug 13, 2008
Cagers need to check there blind spots, and bikers need to observe the speed limit and not treat the highways like a track. "Live to Ride, Ride to Live"
Marty

AOL

#4 Aug 13, 2008
I am glad CHP is stepping up to stop the senseless accidents caused by speeding bikers, and I hope they ticket reckless drivers as well. We live on Angeles Crest (dubbed "killer highway" for good reason) in La Canada. Every weekend, we hear the roar of the motorcycles going up the Crest; then we hear the ambulances' sirens. All I can do is say a silent prayer. Finally, something tangible is being done. I applaud the increased efforts to make beautiful Angeles National Forest safer for all. Thank you CHP!
Retired chippy

Temecula, CA

#6 Aug 13, 2008
It upset me when the memo came down from Sacramento about ten years ago saying we (CHP) could not enforce the helmet law, after all, how could an officer be an expert on them. So that's why you still see riders wearing the beanie helmets, nothing but a thin fiberglass shell, lacking the two inch polystyrene foam which legal helmets have.
Tom Joyce

San Jose, CA

#7 Aug 13, 2008
Been riding the crest since 1950 and it is my favorite twisty but I know the limitations and proceed at a speed that will diliver me safely. The main tip is to slow for the curves and drive defensively at all times. I refer to it as my inland island and the beauty of the terrain can be intoxicating. Keep the rubber side down and the shiny side up.
Watch for cars and animals crossing the highway. Don't imbibe or ride tired, it takes a lot of concentration to ride it safely.
The CHP was burdened with

Paramount, CA

#8 Aug 13, 2008
defining what a "legal" helmet was. Instead of writing specifications, they took the liberty of claiming they can declare something illegal for any reason they pulled from their asses. After several legal beatdowns, they changed their policy.

I guess some colors do run.
Dino

Bellflower, CA

#9 Aug 13, 2008
The CHP was burdened with wrote:
defining what a "legal" helmet was. Instead of writing specifications, they took the liberty of claiming they can declare something illegal for any reason they pulled from their asses. After several legal beatdowns, they changed their policy.
I guess some colors do run.
I know that a few years ago, the California Supreme Court ruled the helmet law invalid over the lack of a definition of exactly what was considered a legal helmet. CHP took the rap on that one.

Of course the media was pretty quiet about it too...

Be willing to bet that its been corrected by now.
BRP Trail Rider

Davenport, IA

#10 Aug 13, 2008
As we all know, California his having financial problems. Why send funds on this when Darwin is taking care of it for free. Also, I’d like to point out that the statistics are misleading; there is such a high concentration of bikes in the Crest, it cannot be compared to most other roads in the state or country.
Lobo

Indianapolis, IN

#11 Aug 13, 2008
I saw two of those fatalities on the Crest Highway last year, all because of high speed on the curves. So many people standing around crying.. imagine the pain of their parents and spouses. An ounce of prevention here is woth many lives. Ride with care.
Dino

Bellflower, CA

#12 Aug 14, 2008
Something that does bother me about this article, the number of motorcycle fatalities in Los Angeles county for 2007 seems unrealistically low.

"Out of nine motorcycle-related fatalities reported in Los Angeles County last year, six occurred on Angeles Crest, said Sgt. Matt Armenta of California Highway Patrol's Altadena office, which patrols the mountain road."

That just doesn't sound right...
joey p

La Canada Flintridge, CA

#13 Aug 14, 2008
I think they meant 6 out of every 9 deaths, or 66% of fatalities, not 9 total deaths. I read stories about motorcycle deaths in LA county at least once a week it seems.
Dino

Bellflower, CA

#14 Aug 14, 2008
joey p wrote:
I think they meant 6 out of every 9 deaths, or 66% of fatalities, not 9 total deaths. I read stories about motorcycle deaths in LA county at least once a week it seems.
Exactly...
Mike Check

Chatsworth, CA

#15 Aug 14, 2008
All those riders died happy. And we can do 110mph around a turn...

Deaths are up because more people are riding motorcycles. The stats are misleading. Auto accidents of any form far outnumber homicides in CA. Autos are dangerous, and you can just as easily be killed at 45-55 mph with a head-on crash, as you can 80mph.

California is the most populous state
50,000 Americans die every week
245,000 Americans have died in auto accidents since 9/11
6 people died on the crest last year

Increased enforcement is going to save how many lives? 2? 3? wow. your tax dollars are going to waste.

CHP sees death ALL THE TIME. They are de-synthesized to it. They do not care that people are dying on Los Angeles freeways at a much higher rate than on the Crest. They care that they are getting a chance to make some more money with overtime pay.
Mike

Fullerton, CA

#16 Aug 14, 2008
Title of story should read "Ignorant Officials Use Taxpayer Money To Pay Officers Overtime For Discrimination" This is just so wrong it should be illegal.

"This is really about safety," Or maybe it is an easy revenue maker for an enforcement system set up to meet a budget. Think about it: This doesn't cost the CHP anything (thanks to the grant,which is still taxpayer money), yet the officers and the state of CA are making out pretty well.

"We have zero tolerance up here," Well, for motorcyclists anyway, because they are all a bunch of wild criminals...right?

"We have been spanking them the last two weeks," Since when is it an officer's duty to PUNISH? I think this shows their inappropriate attitude and discriminative intent.
chilibean

El Segundo, CA

#17 Aug 14, 2008
i`m an every day motorcycle rider by choise,not because of the price of gas.the two most causes of accidents, as i see them is automobiles not being observent,sudden lane changes and left turns at intersections and SPEED.....the faster you go the less time you have to react to dangerous situations.....please every one SHARE THE ROAD.
Mike

Fullerton, CA

#18 Aug 14, 2008
matt wrote:
they need to do more to stop abusive riders - like overhauling the motorcycle laws - no lane splitting and make the license plate big enough to actually make the bikers feel less anonymious. they are a menace and innocent people get caught up in their extended adolecence. also they should be subject to noise restrictions like cars ...
matt, I think you just outted yourself as an sheltered, ignorant douchebag, so I won't take offense at you calling me abusive and a menace.
By the way, lets compare: How many people in cars have ever been hurt by people on motorcycles? How many people on motorcycles have ever been hurt by cars? The answer is self-evident.
How about we overhaul the car laws - no self-rightious jerks like you, and hold drivers responsible for endangering the lives of bikers, especially in hit-and run.
Lane sharing is necessary in CA traffic, and we are subject to noise restrictions, but loud pipes save lives because you idiots don't look, but we can make you hear us coming.
Get off your computer and stay off the road matt, you forgot to take your meds again.
matt

Stanton, CA

#19 Aug 14, 2008
looks like my comments have sparked some interest in here, im actually glad to be personally attached by some people here - this is exactly the mentality on the roads and guess what guys, nobody looks in their blind spots. but these comments arnt for them anyway . hopefully some lawmaker's are looking at these boards and could note the license plate size issue and a modification on the reckless lane splitting and noise polution.
Rockett

United States

#20 Aug 14, 2008
Yay! And the gangs run rampant in LA all the while. Good goin' CHP!
Tom Swanee Swanson

Fresno, CA

#21 Aug 14, 2008
matt wrote:
they need to do more to stop abusive riders - like overhauling the motorcycle laws - no lane splitting and make the license plate big enough to actually make the bikers feel less anonymious. they are a menace and innocent people get caught up in their extended adolecence. also they should be subject to noise restrictions like cars ...
You are a real uneducated jerk!!! Motorcycles are beneficial to the roads, traffic, energy and the economy for the mom and pop shops. Get a life and quit talking out your ass!!!!

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