Could Crawfordsville see smoking ban?

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Communities all over the country are going smoke-free. If a group of Montgomery County citizens have their way, Crawfordsville could be next.

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Fred

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Well here is Father Miller again on another of his attention-grabbing crusades. One has to wonder if he really wants to help people or get his name in the spotlight and force others to adhere to his beliefs, From his past attempts to garner attention one would tend to think it's the latter.
I'm not a smoker but like anyone else, smokers too have rights. If it offends you, avoid it.
This society has become filled with control freaks who would like nothing better than to force their ways on others. This nation is not nearly as free as it was years ago and because of persons such as this it's becoming worse and worse. When it shall stop, if that ever happens, who could say. We need another revolution comparable to that of the late 1960s. Those youth had a message and had they stayed away from the drugs it would have been taken more seriously.
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Fred...I don't think I could of said it better myself!
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If the Pdre is truly worried about the employees he should take it up with OSHA. OSHA deals with workplace safety not city councils. For his reading pleasure I have included the link needed to get to their answer to ETS.

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_...

"29 CFR 1910.1000 Air contaminants, limits employee exposure to several of the main chemical components found in tobacco smoke. In normal situations, exposures would not exceed these permissible exposure limits (PELs), and, as a matter of prosecutorial discretion, OSHA will not apply the General Duty Clause to ETS."

The bottom line sould be that each buisness decides for themself. If is is a facility that permits smoking don't do business there. If the place you work permits smoking and you have an issue with it work elsewhere.

80% of the population are non smokers and 20% are smokers. Of the 80% of the nonsmokers 20% are avid antismokers. The rest simply do not smoke. One would think in the end 80% of the businesses would be smoke free and 20% would permit smoking.
Fred

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Sharon Whelan Kokomo IN wrote:
Fred...I don't think I could of said it better myself!
Thank You, Sharon. I anticipate a lof of flak from the do-gooders but so be it. We still have enough freedom that we can express ourselves, but one has to wonder how long thta will last.
Have a good day!
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When is the city of Indianapolis going to get with the times? the town council are chickens, they need to enact a smoking ban in all public places including bars... BW3 is smoke freee and they are packed all the time,
Chicago is complete smoke free, Bloomington, a college town is smoke free,even Lexington KY, in tobacco land is smoke free... its so nice to go out in these towns and not be violated by someone that wants to pollute their own lungs...
Indianpolis town council -- what cowards.. make the stand and be done with it, the bars will adjust and a year later everyone will be better off
yerett

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tlc wrote:
When is the city of Indianapolis going to get with the times? the town council are chickens, they need to enact a smoking ban in all public places including bars... BW3 is smoke freee and they are packed all the time,
Chicago is complete smoke free, Bloomington, a college town is smoke free,even Lexington KY, in tobacco land is smoke free... its so nice to go out in these towns and not be violated by someone that wants to pollute their own lungs...
Indianpolis town council -- what cowards.. make the stand and be done with it, the bars will adjust and a year later everyone will be better off
You see you make the point why a gov. ban is not necessary.If a smokeless bar is full then there is a market for them.Bar owners will offer more smokeless bars if there is a market for them.You have the choice to go to a smokeless bar and if you really don't care for smoke i suggest you go smokeless bar.The gov.job is not to make rules to pervent grown people from makeing decisions you don't like.If you are really concerned about second hand smoke being a health risk,you should know that you have a better chance of being killed by drunk driver who was sitting at the bar next to you than do of getting ill from second hand smoke.So realisticly you should just close the bars down completely if health is the real concern.That's not gonna happen.
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Crawfordsville is a nice town o visit too bad there are a chosen few who wants to tell people what to do with their lives
Fred

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yerett wrote:
<quoted text>You see you make the point why a gov. ban is not necessary.If a smokeless bar is full then there is a market for them.Bar owners will offer more smokeless bars if there is a market for them.You have the choice to go to a smokeless bar and if you really don't care for smoke i suggest you go smokeless bar.The gov.job is not to make rules to pervent grown people from makeing decisions you don't like.If you are really concerned about second hand smoke being a health risk,you should know that you have a better chance of being killed by drunk driver who was sitting at the bar next to you than do of getting ill from second hand smoke.So realisticly you should just close the bars down completely if health is the real concern.That's not gonna happen.
Agreed! If anyone wants to see just how much good overzealous monitoring of people's lives can do, look at what happened from 1920-1933 here in the U.S. Prohibition was going to solve all our social ills. Solve my backside, it created a period of lawlessness that for the times was unheard of. Organized crime would not be what it is even today had it not been for Prohibition. You can figure that whenever the government tries to solve a sociatal problem some overzealous bureaucrats(with assistance from the usual group of meddlers and do-it-my-wayers) will screw things up worse that they already were.
The law DOES NOT regulate morality!
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ohgodyoudevil wrote:
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I thought I heard you call, may I direct you someplace?
ohgodyoudevil

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Sep 18, 2008
 
Mr 666 and son wrote:
<quoted text> I thought I heard you call, may I direct you someplace?
naw...just as long as you don't live in Crawfordwville, then you are part of the problem
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tlc wrote:
When is the city of Indianapolis going to get with the times? the town council are chickens, they need to enact a smoking ban in all public places including bars... BW3 is smoke freee and they are packed all the time,
Chicago is complete smoke free, Bloomington, a college town is smoke free,even Lexington KY, in tobacco land is smoke free... its so nice to go out in these towns and not be violated by someone that wants to pollute their own lungs...
Indianpolis town council -- what cowards.. make the stand and be done with it, the bars will adjust and a year later everyone will be better off
Uh BW3 is a chain. Chain establishments always do okay after a ban. The ma & pa places flounder though. It would appear you have found places to go that "protect" you from lung pollution even in places without all encompassing bans. Go to those places and those places only. Then YOUR problem is solved. If you think ETS is the worst pollution you are in each and every day you need to read a little more.
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Nov 16, 2008
 
hey anyone have a copy of the anti smoking ban petition for Crawfordsville ?
Fred the Citizen

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Nov 16, 2008
 
it don't make no difference, the gov has no business telling us what to do, they can't enforce a smoking ban, just like they can't tell me that I have to wear a seat belt or a helmet, I do what ever I want and to h-ell with the gov. The cigeret companies told us they were safe and I believe them, but the gov said they have to lie to us and say they ain't safe. The gov just wants to ruin our lives, and take away what makes us happy. smokers got to stick together, so if you got a place that won't let you in with your cigs, ban them, go to the place that will and tell your friends to boycott the ban joints. Everyone in my family smokes, and we all healthy, I smoke 4-5 packs a day and got nothing wrong with me, my kids smoke and they fine too, so all you who say it's bad, you don't know what your talking about. Smokers are the majority, so we can put those wimpy nosmoking places out of business quick, just don't let anybody use them.
Fred: armed against the coming muslim hordes

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tlc wrote:
When is the city of Indianapolis going to get with the times? the town council are chickens, they need to enact a smoking ban in all public places including bars... BW3 is smoke freee and they are packed all the time,
Chicago is complete smoke free, Bloomington, a college town is smoke free,even Lexington KY, in tobacco land is smoke free... its so nice to go out in these towns and not be violated by someone that wants to pollute their own lungs...
Indianpolis town council -- what cowards.. make the stand and be done with it, the bars will adjust and a year later everyone will be better off
Perhaps they look at the real numbers and not the ones feed by Tobacco Control. Bans hurt business everywhere they are enacted. You claim those places are all packed but if you ask them their profits are down. And how many places went under? The cowards are the ones that cave in to tobacco control. The hero's are the the ones that stand up for property rights?
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Fred the Citizen wrote:
it don't make no difference, the gov has no business telling us what to do, they can't enforce a smoking ban, just like they can't tell me that I have to wear a seat belt or a helmet, I do what ever I want and to h-ell with the gov. The cigeret companies told us they were safe and I believe them, but the gov said they have to lie to us and say they ain't safe. The gov just wants to ruin our lives, and take away what makes us happy. smokers got to stick together, so if you got a place that won't let you in with your cigs, ban them, go to the place that will and tell your friends to boycott the ban joints. Everyone in my family smokes, and we all healthy, I smoke 4-5 packs a day and got nothing wrong with me, my kids smoke and they fine too, so all you who say it's bad, you don't know what your talking about. Smokers are the majority, so we can put those wimpy nosmoking places out of business quick, just don't let anybody use them.
Fred: armed against the coming muslim hordes
Smokers are the MAJORITY???? Where? You smoke 4-5 packs a day! That comes to about 15 bucks a day X 365= around 5,500 per year. All that money for a smelly house, car, breath, clothing, hair and the medical bills that are certain to come, if not right now, later. But you are correct saying it's your right and the Govt. has no right to tell you what to do with your body and property. I could not agree with you more. As long as I endanger nobody but myself, LEAVE ME ALONE. THe politicos making these laws don't give a rip about you or me, they just wanna build little monuments to themselves so that can brag about to people who don't give a rip either. Pat each other on the back while they pi-- on each others shoes at the same time. Enough to drive one to smoking. I'd type more but am having a coughing spell.

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Nov 16, 2008
 
With the coming cold weather, the Illinois ban is fading into forgotten history in a lot of small "mom and pop" bars now that the all the hoopla and novely wore off.

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Nov 16, 2008
 
Just to know what your'e up against, here,s their guidebook.

www.no-smoke.org/pdf/CIA_Fundamentals.pdf

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<quoted text> Uh BW3 is a chain. Chain establishments always do okay after a ban. The ma & pa places flounder though. It would appear you have found places to go that "protect" you from lung pollution even in places without all encompassing bans. Go to those places and those places only. Then YOUR problem is solved. If you think ETS is the worst pollution you are in each and every day you need to read a little more.
When I visited Colorado, the bigger pricey chain places are doing pretty good now that they have little or no competition.
just candid

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A keen & astute observer of human behavior once said, " most drunks, degenerates and riffraff type people are cigarette smokers." The more I read on this forum, the more sure I am that the statement was correct.
just candid

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<quoted text>You say lexington is smoke free,hahaha I was just there 2 days ago and they arent obeying any ban I saw..........even the convienience stores gave up on the ban.......go get gas on the bypass.......and theres a select group of restaraunts there that cater to smokers pretty much only..........the ban isnt being enforced.
Give it time, even you and your ilk will learn to live with it.

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