Wabash mourning loss of freshman student

Wabash mourning loss of freshman student

There are 20 comments on the WISH-TV 8 Indiana News story from Oct 6, 2008, titled Wabash mourning loss of freshman student. In it, WISH-TV 8 Indiana News reports that:

A small Indiana college campus is mourning the death of a student over their homecoming weekend.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at WISH-TV 8 Indiana News.

AJ Hudson

Crawfordsville, IN

#1 Oct 7, 2008
This is bullshit.
This kid died, and they have done nothing but try to sweep the evidence under the rug.
I go to Wabash College.
There is MAJOR underage drinking here,
and there is MAJOR hazing.
There was a party homecoming weekend, and this kid was a victim of the administration's negligence, and "we look the other way" policy regarding alcohol.
There has been no memorial, there has been no counseling. They sent out a campus email that said less than what we all already heard through rumor. It took them almost a whole day to even send that out.
You can call me or Email me if you want the truth.
[email protected]
Michael Hart

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Oct 7, 2008
As an alumni advisor to my fraternity at another small, Indiana, liberal arts colleges, this is a scenario that every college administrator should fear. I have frequently told the president he is one party away from the national news - just like Wabash. Alcohol abuse and binge drinking is a complex and difficult problem to solve. One thing that every college and university president should immediately implement is to forbid any fraternity to have pledges in the fall term of their freshman year, or to allow any freshman to live in a fraternity house their first term. This would eliminate a very high risk situation.
Greg Howard

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Oct 7, 2008
Of all the people the reporters could have got ahold of, they quote some student that likens the whole event to "raining on the parade", as the death mars their homecoming weekend. I grew up in this town, and I can tell you that Wabash student are frequently over-privileged, inexperienced, egotistical nitwits who understand little more in life than spending daddy's money. There is an attitude of elitism that they all seem to need to cling to (probably in order to soften the blow that their first foray into the world landed them in a tiny, mid-western town) that, honestly, is adorable to watch... Or, as the english2american.com site states :
wally n dimwit; dunce.
Greg Howard

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Oct 7, 2008
BTW, all you Wallies that are gearing up to defend yourselves, feel free to contact me: [email protected]
AJK12465

Merrillville, IN

#5 Oct 7, 2008
Greg Howard wrote:
Of all the people the reporters could have got ahold of, they quote some student that likens the whole event to "raining on the parade", as the death mars their homecoming weekend. I grew up in this town, and I can tell you that Wabash student are frequently over-privileged, inexperienced, egotistical nitwits who understand little more in life than spending daddy's money. There is an attitude of elitism that they all seem to need to cling to (probably in order to soften the blow that their first foray into the world landed them in a tiny, mid-western town) that, honestly, is adorable to watch... Or, as the english2american.com site states :
wally n dimwit; dunce.
First I want to say I am very sorry to the family of Johnny Smith. Second- Give me a break!! Sorry to inform you, but my son attends Wabash and I am proud of it!! We are not wealthy and he is not spending Daddy's money! He has worked very hard as a well driller each summer, spring and winter break since the summer before he started high school. He has saved every cent he earned and is paying for his own education. So since you don't know everyones situations - keep your comments to yourself! Also, in America at the age of 18 you can sign up to go to war, you can also vote for who will be the leader of our country, and so I think at 18 you should be old enough to determine when you have had enough to drink. Bad things happen in this world and this is one of them.
ABH

Indianapolis, IN

#6 Oct 7, 2008
I also grew up in this town, and have to take issue with Mr. Howard. Wabash is an excellent college, one of the top in the nation. The majority of the professors are extremely pleasant and civic-minded individuals and for all their academic excellence are unaffected by it. They are involved with the community and contribute to it...unlike someone who will attempt to sabotage a worthwhile public project such as the Rails To Trails...for the sake of attempting to draw attention to themselves.
Yes, there are students at Wabash as Mr. Howard describes, and also at many other if not all institutions of higher learning. There are also many who are decent, intelligent, ambitous young men who have gone on and will continue to embark on very successful careers. To stereotype an entire student body as Mr. Howard has done shows not only a lack of foresight but also comes across as the rantings of a very envious and jealous individual.
As for the alcohol consumption, yes it is well-known. This happens not only on Wabash's campus but others also.
In essence, Mr. Howard's post(s) remind one of a winery's greatest fear...SOUR GRAPES!
ABH

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Oct 7, 2008
AJK12465 wrote:
<quoted text> First I want to say I am very sorry to the family of Johnny Smith. Second- Give me a break!! Sorry to inform you, but my son attends Wabash and I am proud of it!! We are not wealthy and he is not spending Daddy's money! He has worked very hard as a well driller each summer, spring and winter break since the summer before he started high school. He has saved every cent he earned and is paying for his own education. So since you don't know everyones situations - keep your comments to yourself! Also, in America at the age of 18 you can sign up to go to war, you can also vote for who will be the leader of our country, and so I think at 18 you should be old enough to determine when you have had enough to drink. Bad things happen in this world and this is one of them.
Your son is exactly the sort of young man I referred to, and kudos to him and to you for raising a fine young man such as he. He will no doubt some day be a very successful and productive member of society...unlike someone who would sit back and dislike, criticize and throw cheap shots at anything they cannot understand. No doubt someone who lacks/lacked the academic prowess to gain entrance to a school as fine as Wabash.
As far as the "challenge" to the "Wallys", I doubt many will respond, not wanting to engage in an intellectual war with an unarmed individual.

“Nosey just like you”

Since: Feb 08

where I lay my head

#8 Oct 7, 2008
AJ Hudson wrote:
This is ****.
This kid died, and they have done nothing but try to sweep the evidence under the rug.
I go to Wabash College.
There is MAJOR underage drinking here,
and there is MAJOR hazing.
There was a party homecoming weekend, and this kid was a victim of the administration's negligence, and "we look the other way" policy regarding alcohol.
There has been no memorial, there has been no counseling. They sent out a campus email that said less than what we all already heard through rumor. It took them almost a whole day to even send that out.
You can call me or Email me if you want the truth.
[email protected]
How is the school responsible for an 18 yr olds decisions? He chose to pick up that alcohol (if that is what killed him) he chose to throw back the drinks so in all sense and purpose he chose his own destiny. At the age of 18 and being in college HE knew he was not legally old enough to drink YET HE CHOSE to. No one is responsible for this young mans death accept for himself IF he died of alcohol issues.

I do sympathize with the family, our children are suppose to bury us not us them.

Responsibility is the key here and it does not lie on the shoulders of the college staff unless they are providing the alcohol.
Bryon

Madison, IN

#9 Oct 7, 2008
AJ Hudson wrote:
This is ****.
This kid died, and they have done nothing but try to sweep the evidence under the rug.
I go to Wabash College.
There is MAJOR underage drinking here,
and there is MAJOR hazing.
There was a party homecoming weekend, and this kid was a victim of the administration's negligence, and "we look the other way" policy regarding alcohol.
There has been no memorial, there has been no counseling. They sent out a campus email that said less than what we all already heard through rumor. It took them almost a whole day to even send that out.
You can call me or Email me if you want the truth.
[email protected]
I cannot let you bash the 'Bash. The gentlemen's rule works for those who are just that. Check out stats for other "administratively controlled campuses." The event is absolutely sad; but it is not chaos because someone isn't holding their thumb over the student body. Actually and conversely, chaos is lessened in the absence of "the man's" controls. Drinking is not the problem. Although underaged drinking is illegal, it is quite up to the individual and the peers to discourage it. How does having some campus rule suppress the action if those who are breaking the law do it in spite of the more imposing state law? Irresponsibility and possibly peer pressure could be at the heart of this (we'll have to wait and see). AS FOR HAZING...the definition for hazing is so broad that any group of association (defined as more than 2 people) who encourage individuals within that group to study, take medicine, work-out etc could deem the act as "hazing." I had the privilege of belonging to IU and Wabash Fraternities. Wabash is TAME!...especially now days, when cooler heads prevail in the wake of many law suits after accidents. What are the statistics of deaths and underaged drinking at all of our nation's colleges and other institutions? I would say more people die from car accidents per year. Further, it is not any more an epidemic at Wabash. So, please don't try to act as you are the "inside edition" or the one who will break the silence. You have a certain perspective, giving you what is obviously an unfavorable opinion of Wabash and/or the Fraternity...that is it. Don't dishonour this young man's life, his family and brothers.
NOthing

United States

#10 Oct 8, 2008
AJ Hudson,

There IS a memorial (tomorrow).

There IS counseling available on campus. Read the e-mail President White sent out!

The reason the school waited a whole DAY to send you an e-mail on the subject was probably that they wanted to notify the family FIRST, not YOU, and everybody else in the world.

The admin cannot "sweep everything under the rug" if they wanted to. This story has gone INTERNATIONAL. Law enforcement will find out what happened. That is how our system works. Love it, or leave it!

The college administration is not your mother. If you need that much supervision, then I suggest you go back home.
Unbelievable

Indianapolis, IN

#11 Oct 9, 2008
AJ Hudson... You said you were stating the truth- there was NOT a party at the Delt house the night of the incident. And there was absolutely NO hazing going on. YOu obviously do not belong to a house or you would be more aware of whats going on.
NOthing

United States

#12 Oct 9, 2008
Unbelievable: That's what I heard too.

“Nosey just like you”

Since: Feb 08

where I lay my head

#13 Oct 9, 2008
NOthing wrote:
The college administration is not your mother. If you need that much supervision, then I suggest you go back home.
BINGO!!!! It is called being responsible for your own actions/choices.... something AJ may not quite understand.
ABH

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Oct 9, 2008
NoseyLikeYou wrote:
<quoted text>
BINGO!!!! It is called being responsible for your own actions/choices.... something AJ may not quite understand.
True but at 18, away from home for the first time and surrounded by older upperclassmen who one sees as mentors, well the peer pressure can be a bit of an influence. People seldom think the same way at 18 as when they are 30+. This can happen at any college, not just Wabash. Sadly it's a tragedy that happens too many times. This young man was obviously a high achiever who had a bright future ahead of him.
wallymom

United States

#15 Oct 9, 2008
My heart breaks for Johnny's family. They are in my prayers. My son received an excellant education at Wabash and I was in complete support of his decision to attend (in response to the post that all the students are nitwits, the only nitwits that I know are the ones who attempt to sterotype an entire population!) and could not be more proud of my compassionate and brilliant son. That being said, I do know that hazing does exist on this campus as well as others around the country and for the life of me, I do not understand the necessity of this ridiculous and often dangerous behaviour. I sincerely hope that this young man was not pressured to drink in excess as part of a hazing exercise but we have heard from students that there was a party at the Delt house and they were so uncomfortable by the harrassment of the pledges by the seniors in the house that they left. The investigation will bring everything to light.
NOthing

United States

#16 Oct 9, 2008
Wallymom, were the pledges MADE to stay at the party?
NOthing

United States

#17 Oct 9, 2008
Wallymom, I heard there was NOT a party that night at the Delt house.

“Nosey just like you”

Since: Feb 08

where I lay my head

#18 Oct 10, 2008
NOthing wrote:
Wallymom, I heard there was NOT a party that night at the Delt house.
Why have they now been placed on suspension of all activities, is that the norm when a body shows up cold in the Frats?

“Nosey just like you”

Since: Feb 08

where I lay my head

#19 Oct 10, 2008
ABH wrote:
<quoted text>
True but at 18, away from home for the first time and surrounded by older upperclassmen who one sees as mentors, well the peer pressure can be a bit of an influence. People seldom think the same way at 18 as when they are 30+. This can happen at any college, not just Wabash. Sadly it's a tragedy that happens too many times. This young man was obviously a high achiever who had a bright future ahead of him.
I understand your scenario of (18, newly away from home) but there again lies the responsibilty on him. I do not like anymore than the rest that this kid possibly died via yet another alcohol poisoning and possibly with some hazing involved. This stuff is preached about on campuses and at high schools and yet we still see the "willing" participation is high.

I see they have suspended the frats activities which leads me to believe there was some type of alcohol gathering be it a party or not something was not quite legal or up to par with the college rules.
pft

United States

#20 Oct 10, 2008
Yeah, nosey, but something else must be going on.

Why would the coroner wait until the tox results come back to announce cause of death? If it were JUST alcohol that killed him, the coroner could release that info now. My guess is they think there is a bigger picture than just his Blood Alcohol Level. Meaning, his BAC PROBABLY wasn't that high.

Didn't his friends say he didn't drink much? That would make sense if his friends are being honest.

I think we may be looking at drug use or an underlying illness?

I don't know, I'm just guessing.

We as a society need to all work together to stop whatever it was that killed this boy.

Probably the national delt frat is suspending the wabash frat to show they're doing something proactive. Because, so far, NOBODY knows what killed Johnny.

The Wabash frat is being assumed guilty before even being tried.

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