Rhode Island public school agrees to remove prayer

Feb 17, 2012 | Posted by: Hedonist | Full story: www.reuters.com

A Rhode Island school board voted on Thursday to comply with a federal court order to remove a prayer banner that has been displayed in a public high school for nearly a half century, saying the cash-strapped district cannot face a costly appeal.

The board voted 5-2 against filing an appeal, a move that means the school must now remove the banner within 10 days under the court order.

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Removing the offensive prayer is an admission that the religitards were wrong.

But you can bet the farm they'll lie and claim the government forced them to remove it, as if Obama were directly involved in trying to create an atheist and communist state. This is not government dictatorship, this is about preventing people from breaking the law.

It's easier to tell a lie and blame others than it is to tell the truth and take personal responsibility.

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My guess is that they will claim they could not afford a 'costly' appeal, hen spin it that their lawyers said the had a good chance to get the order overturned but needed to save the money to avoid laying off teachers, etc.

In fact, I've read the decision. In my opinion, the judge's reasoning and the precedents he relied on were rock solid, and the school committee's lawyers probably told them they would be throwing good money after bad if they pursued an appeal.
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While I think the decision to remove to display was correct, I see it as an enormous waste of effort and money. This is largly a symbolic gesture with no real meaning or outcome worth anything except creating division. The money it is costing to remove this display could have been better spend on supplies or repairs the school may have needed. I wonder if the people so offended by the prayer on the wall are as offended by are troops being killed for burning a Quran. For some reason I think not.
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Spiney wrote:
While I think the decision to remove to display was correct, I see it as an enormous waste of effort and money. This is largly a symbolic gesture with no real meaning or outcome worth anything except creating division. The money it is costing to remove this display could have been better spend on supplies or repairs the school may have needed. I wonder if the people so offended by the prayer on the wall are as offended by are troops being killed for burning a Quran. For some reason I think not.
Rioting by fanatical muslims is just another example of the irrationality of religion. Islam is deplorable slavery of the mind, just as christianity is. The fact that somewhere in the world someone is behaving even worse than you does not excuse your own behavior. "Muslims are more irrational than christians", even if true, does not change the fact that christians are irrational.

The cost of removing the prayer is trivial when compared to the half million dollars the school board spent on lawyers trying to keep it up. Read the decision. Most of the judge's ruling discusses whether the young woman who was the plaintiff had legal standing to bring the suit. The school's lawyers knew very well that the prayer poster was a clear violation of the First Amendment, and were relegated to arguing legal technicalities in an attempt to prevent the court from ruling on the merits. This was a case where emotion and superstition overwhelmed reason in calculating the cost/benefit of fighting this fight. You were fleeced by politicians who took the easy way out and pandered to the emotions of the electorate.

Besides all that, the conduct of the people of the benighted city of Cranston shows that the prayer in the school, like all prayer, was not very effective in inspiring good behavior.
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Amused wrote:
Rioting by fanatical muslims is just another example of the irrationality of religion. Islam is deplorable slavery of the mind, just as christianity is. The fact that somewhere in the world someone is behaving even worse than you does not excuse your own behavior. "Muslims are more irrational than christians", even if true, does not change the fact that christians are irrational.
Exactly. This needs to be repeated, and OFTEN.
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Poor atheist didn't feel included because of a prayer hanging on the wall. Do you think she feels anymore included? Maybe people just don't understand Christianity. The school district should bring in some Christians to teach the kids about Christianity so that they can learn to be tolerant of those different from themselves.

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Spiney wrote:
While I think the decision to remove to display was correct, I see it as an enormous waste of effort and money. This is largly a symbolic gesture with no real meaning or outcome worth anything except creating division. The money it is costing to remove this display could have been better spend on supplies or repairs the school may have needed. I wonder if the people so offended by the prayer on the wall are as offended by are troops being killed for burning a Quran. For some reason I think not.
I think the decision to put this religious display up in the first place was a divisive one.

I see it as an enormous waste of effort and money. This was largly a symbolic gesture with no real meaning or outcome worth anything except creating division.

The money it originally cost to create this display could have been better spend on supplies or repairs the school may have needed.

I wonder if the people who originally put this prayer on the wall cared who they offended by forcing their own personal religious beliefs on everybody else's children.

I think not.

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Paul WV wrote:
Poor atheist didn't feel included because of a prayer hanging on the wall. Do you think she feels anymore included? Maybe people just don't understand Christianity. The school district should bring in some Christians to teach the kids about Christianity so that they can learn to be tolerant of those different from themselves.
The "tolerant" thing to do would have been to keep personal religious beliefs off the walls of the school in the first place.
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Hedonist wrote:
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The "tolerant" thing to do would have been to keep personal religious beliefs off the walls of the school in the first place.
The tolerant thing to do would be to try an get along with others; even if they are different from you.
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Hedonist wrote:
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The "tolerant" thing to do would have been to keep personal religious beliefs off the walls of the school in the first place.
Christians put the prayer up because of their love for God and their fellow people. atheists want it down because of their hatred of those different from them.

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The tolerant thing to do would be to try an get along with others; even if they are different from you.
The Christians should have thought of that before forcing their beliefs on everybody else's children?

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Paul WV wrote:
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Christians put the prayer up because of their love for God and their fellow people. atheists want it down because of their hatred of those different from them.
Straw man fallacy and you know that's not true. Why do lie so blatantly?

As an atheist, I don't care what perverse beliefs you practice in your home or in your places of worship. You want to stand on speakers corner and shout out your beliefs, you go for it.

But you will no longer get a free pass when you try to get the government to sponsor your desire to force you religion onto the children who happen to think differently from you.
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The Christians should have thought of that before forcing their beliefs on everybody else's children?
You have a strange idea of what force is. Are you saying that an atheist can not read a prayer without failing compelled to believe it? If that is the case then it is saying that the Spirit of God is moving through those prayers and athiests would do well to follow the Spirit's call.

When an atheist is in college and Mein Kempt is a required reading, do they feel compiled to mold their life to its teachings?

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You have a strange idea of what force is. Are you saying that an atheist can not read a prayer without failing compelled to believe it? If that is the case then it is saying that the Spirit of God is moving through those prayers and athiests would do well to follow the Spirit's call.
When an atheist is in college and Mein Kempt is a required reading, do they feel compiled to mold their life to its teachings?
I thought we were talking about public schools and minors. No you want to move the goal posts.

And praying is an exercise in talking to yourself.

Doesn't matter how you slice it, this was a clear example of Christians trying to force their religion on other people's children.
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I thought we were talking about public schools and minors. No you want to move the goal posts.
And praying is an exercise in talking to yourself.
Doesn't matter how you slice it, this was a clear example of Christians trying to force their religion on other people's children.
Explain how having a prayer hanging on the wall is forcing religion of someone's child? atheists are like muslims, they fear anything that may challenge their world view because they lack confidence in the belief they hold dear being able to compete against other ideas.
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Paul WV wrote:
Poor atheist didn't feel included because of a prayer hanging on the wall. Do you think she feels anymore included? Maybe people just don't understand Christianity. The school district should bring in some Christians to teach the kids about Christianity so that they can learn to be tolerant of those different from themselves.
Maybe she objected because she understands christianity. She has certainly seen an outpouring of christian love since she raised the issue. The vicious, hateful attacks she has endured since then have probably given her all the information about the true face of christianity she needs to last a lifetime. The good christians of Cranston have absolutely nothing to teach anyone about tolerance. Your average klavern of KKK know more about tolerance than the christians of Cranston.
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Christians put the prayer up because of their love for God and their fellow people. atheists want it down because of their hatred of those different from them.
The atheists wanted it down because it is against the law for the government to sponsor any religion. If the school posted a muslim prayer, I'd bet you'd be among the first to complain and act all butthurt.

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Explain how having a prayer hanging on the wall is forcing religion of someone's child? atheists are like muslims, they fear anything that may challenge their world view because they lack confidence in the belief they hold dear being able to compete against other ideas.
Easy...

What if that huge writing on the wall in that school said "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger."

Would you not then see it as Muslims pushing their religion on your children?
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Maybe she objected because she understands christianity. She has certainly seen an outpouring of christian love since she raised the issue. The vicious, hateful attacks she has endured since then have probably given her all the information about the true face of christianity she needs to last a lifetime. The good christians of Cranston have absolutely nothing to teach anyone about tolerance. Your average klavern of KKK know more about tolerance than the christians of Cranston.
She was just seeing herself in a mirror looking at all those angry faces. Her intolerance only breeds more intolerance. She needs to learn how to live and let live, instead of trying to force her prejudices on others.
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Easy...
What if that huge writing on the wall in that school said "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger."
Would you not then see it as Muslims pushing their religion on your children?
If I believed religion was a myth, like atheists claim to do, I would look at it like someone posting a Trekkie poster.

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