election results/ Cramerton CVFD

election results/ Cramerton CVFD

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TOC resident

Cramerton, NC

#1 Nov 9, 2011
Okay, the people have spoken. The candidate running for the old CVFD lost...and lost big!! So,give the fire equipment back to the town!

They belong to the town of Cramerton!!
Give them back!!
Cramerton Citizen

Belmont, NC

#2 Nov 9, 2011
The election results did not change who the equipment belongs to. It still belongs to the CVFD, Inc. Being a taxpayer myself, I see both sides of the issue. However, with the TOC administration and it's method of doing things, I hope the CVFD, Inc donates all the equipment to other needy rural departments in NC or elsewhere. Or I would support the equipment being donated for training purposes...let FF students cut it all up into little bitty pieces, sell it for scrap and have a party. I do not support how the TOC handled the situation. I do not support bullies in school, government, in public or otherwise. I like many others, plan to get out of this place before the pervading evil further infects those around me.
Concerned Citizen

Belmont, NC

#3 Nov 9, 2011
Good, go and go fast so that someone who understands the difference between doing the right thing and just plain spite can move into this wonderful little town.
It is sad to see grown men who has the "I'll take my ball and go home" attitude. You are only hurting the ones that at one time bought your BBQ chicken plates, supported your Santa Rides and depended on you to help us, but from what I have seen now I am ashamed for you. I hope the new Town of Cramerton Fire Department will once again gain the trust and respect from us because they appear to be doing the right thing.

STOP ACTING LIKE A BUNCH OF LITTLE CHILDREN AND RETURN THE EQUIPMENT!
TOC resident

Cramerton, NC

#4 Nov 9, 2011
I am with you 100% Concerned Citizen. It is ridiculous to see the fire dept. board acting this way with the equipment that belongs to the taxpayers! I thought that after the election they would realize that the town had spoken. They obviously arent concerned with what the citizens of this town think. They are only concerned with themselves, not the town or the firefighters.
Cramerton Citizen

Belmont, NC

#5 Nov 10, 2011
Let's see, a VOLUNTEER FF GIVES his time to train, attend meetings, give up time with his or her family, get up at all hours to respond to calls whether they are valid or false alarms. They take the risk. They give of themselves. Family members do without. Then after years and years of this, the town suddenly says "You are not good enough, your contribution isn't what's important. We want to see everything, tell you who is in charge...we don't like you, you are wannabe's, we want "professionals"...oh , yeah, and we want all the equipment. You just go home. We will let you know who we feel is worthy to come back but we will decide who that is.' The former fire department operated with the interests of the citizens. Because the people at town hall didn't like the chief or the board of directors, didn't like that they didn't jump when told to, everyone is just supposed to go home? Everything those ff worked for, all they gave, people have turned around, told them they weren't good enough. The service they provided wasn't valuable. But wait! If the FF are upset, they may not want to come and fight fire under the new administration and that might be a problem...soooooo let's turn around and express our "gratitude" at their service. Not the CVFD administration, of course, they are are worthless and we dont' want them...we just want the grunts who will agree to come and spray water and ask no questions...like little trained pups. No thank you. The people in Cramerton have turned mean, hateful and spiteful. I can't wait for January when I can move away from this insane place!!!
Cramerton Resident

Cramerton, NC

#6 Nov 14, 2011
Cramerton Citizen wrote:
Let's see, a VOLUNTEER FF GIVES his time to train, attend meetings, give up time with his or her family, get up at all hours to respond to calls whether they are valid or false alarms. They take the risk. They give of themselves. Family members do without. Then after years and years of this, the town suddenly says "You are not good enough, your contribution isn't what's important. We want to see everything, tell you who is in charge...we don't like you, you are wannabe's, we want "professionals"...oh , yeah, and we want all the equipment. You just go home. We will let you know who we feel is worthy to come back but we will decide who that is.' The former fire department operated with the interests of the citizens. Because the people at town hall didn't like the chief or the board of directors, didn't like that they didn't jump when told to, everyone is just supposed to go home? Everything those ff worked for, all they gave, people have turned around, told them they weren't good enough. The service they provided wasn't valuable. But wait! If the FF are upset, they may not want to come and fight fire under the new administration and that might be a problem...soooooo let's turn around and express our "gratitude" at their service. Not the CVFD administration, of course, they are are worthless and we dont' want them...we just want the grunts who will agree to come and spray water and ask no questions...like little trained pups. No thank you. The people in Cramerton have turned mean, hateful and spiteful. I can't wait for January when I can move away from this insane place!!!
Why wait till January? Greyhound is ready when you are...I have never read so many lies in on paragraph as what is listed above. Let do this, copy the remarks saying our fire fighters are worthless and let me see them. I have to assume you don't understand what a volunteer really is, a volunteer is a person who gives up his time to train, attend meetings, and gives up time with his or her family to get up all hours of the night to answer calls be it actual or false alarm, they do this year after year..Guess what that describes a volunteer fireman. No one twisted your arm to become a fireman, you knew what was involved before you volunteering so what are you whinning about? It part of the job!!!! I beg to differ with you also about the town saying they did not need you anymore, show me in writing where that came from either with the council or town manager, you can't because it does not exist. Unlike you our town council and manager are smart enough to know those of you that feel the way you do are not needed in this town as fire fighters, the town want accountability and good dedicated firemen, not whinner and cry babbies like "some" of you. You are saying the people of Cramerton have turned mean and hateful, my god listen to what all you just spewed and now you want to blame it on the citizens of Cramerton? Look in reality it is a done deal, CVFD Inc has no authority to fight fires anywhere in the state of NC. Cramerton now has an agreement with McAenville to handle our fire service and hopfully in six months Cramerton and Macadenville will merge into one dept (with the blessing of the state fire marshall), so quit whinning, find yourself another department to join and get a life. Oh yea there are only 4 members left on the board of directors two have resigned.
Concerned Citizen

Belmont, NC

#7 Nov 14, 2011
Thank you Cramerton Resident, I could not have said it better.
Cramerton Citizen

Belmont, NC

#8 Nov 17, 2011
Cramerton Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Why wait till January? Greyhound is ready when you are...I have never read so many lies in on paragraph as what is listed above. Let do this, copy the remarks saying our fire fighters are worthless and let me see them. I have to assume you don't understand what a volunteer really is, a volunteer is a person who gives up his time to train, attend meetings, and gives up time with his or her family to get up all hours of the night to answer calls be it actual or false alarm, they do this year after year..Guess what that describes a volunteer fireman. No one twisted your arm to become a fireman, you knew what was involved before you volunteering so what are you whinning about? It part of the job!!!! I beg to differ with you also about the town saying they did not need you anymore, show me in writing where that came from either with the council or town manager, you can't because it does not exist. Unlike you our town council and manager are smart enough to know those of you that feel the way you do are not needed in this town as fire fighters, the town want accountability and good dedicated firemen, not whinner and cry babbies like "some" of you. You are saying the people of Cramerton have turned mean and hateful, my god listen to what all you just spewed and now you want to blame it on the citizens of Cramerton? Look in reality it is a done deal, CVFD Inc has no authority to fight fires anywhere in the state of NC. Cramerton now has an agreement with McAenville to handle our fire service and hopfully in six months Cramerton and Macadenville will merge into one dept (with the blessing of the state fire marshall), so quit whinning, find yourself another department to join and get a life. Oh yea there are only 4 members left on the board of directors two have resigned.
When a member of town council stands up during a meeting, points a finger and makes the statement "We don't need you"... May not be in writing but it's proof enough for me. Whoever decides they want to be the rep of town hall can whitewash their stance any way they want. Doesn't matter, the FD was 'fired' because the town wanted it done. It amazes me how so many of the key players regardless of their stance have acted like children. These people are supposed to be LEADERS. As the saying goes, one can attrack more bees with honey than vinegar. Cramerton "leadership" is awash in vinegar... whatever 'honey' there may have been is lost. Too many people here "speak with forked tongue". Who would want to live in a place where anyone who disagrees is invited to leave on the next greyhound bus? The only people welcome in Cramerton are those who agree with some loudmouth, opinionated person/people? Just so happens that the opportunity to leave (thankfully) arose and these recent months simply made my decision easy. Good thing I don't have to sell a house as the market in Cramerton seems to have recently flooded...have you seen all the houses for sale here? Hope you can fill them all with mindless little people who will graciously be brainwashed to your way of thinking.
observer

United States

#9 Nov 18, 2011
Oh poor Butch..........Cramerton Voice kicked you off there site. I can't imagine why? Let's see..........maybe because they consider you to be the town idiot. Maybe because you are nothing more than a loud mouth bullying SOB that does not know when to shut the hell up.
Cramerton Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Why wait till January? Greyhound is ready when you are...I have never read so many lies in on paragraph as what is listed above. Let do this, copy the remarks saying our fire fighters are worthless and let me see them. I have to assume you don't understand what a volunteer really is, a volunteer is a person who gives up his time to train, attend meetings, and gives up time with his or her family to get up all hours of the night to answer calls be it actual or false alarm, they do this year after year..Guess what that describes a volunteer fireman. No one twisted your arm to become a fireman, you knew what was involved before you volunteering so what are you whinning about? It part of the job!!!! I beg to differ with you also about the town saying they did not need you anymore, show me in writing where that came from either with the council or town manager, you can't because it does not exist. Unlike you our town council and manager are smart enough to know those of you that feel the way you do are not needed in this town as fire fighters, the town want accountability and good dedicated firemen, not whinner and cry babbies like "some" of you. You are saying the people of Cramerton have turned mean and hateful, my god listen to what all you just spewed and now you want to blame it on the citizens of Cramerton? Look in reality it is a done deal, CVFD Inc has no authority to fight fires anywhere in the state of NC. Cramerton now has an agreement with McAenville to handle our fire service and hopfully in six months Cramerton and Macadenville will merge into one dept (with the blessing of the state fire marshall), so quit whinning, find yourself another department to join and get a life. Oh yea there are only 4 members left on the board of directors two have resigned.
Cramerton Resident

Cramerton, NC

#10 Nov 18, 2011
Cramerton Citizen I usually don't do this but I am going to have to call you a LIER. Obviously you do not read all post on here because if you did you would have read several times by several different people that I attend all council meeting and never has anyone on the council stood up and pointed his finger and said "we don't need you". That is just a damn lie. Records are kept of all statements made at council meeting, you will not find a copy of that anywhere. It is so sad that ignorant people like you can not admit you were beaten. The people of Cramerton have spoken and you lost. Now get on your Greyhound bus and tell the driver to speed up to get you as far away from this place as possible. I know what you mean about all the houses for sell in Cramerton, its a shame the rest of the country is doing so well in the housing market and poor Cramerton has these hundreds of houses for sale, I guess people who read about Cramerton and read the stupid stuff you post figure they don't want to be around people from the dark ages so they pass Cramerton by. Maybe after you move we can start filling these houses with intellegent people.

And observer, are you the brother of Cramerton Citizen because you sound just as stupid. Read to me where it says I am kicked off Cramerton Voice, it does not say that anywhere, the election is over we won end of story so I removed myself from Cramerton Voice. You people are so funny, sad, but funny.
observer

Denver, NC

#11 Nov 18, 2011
Poor Butch.........washed up cop........washed out trying to be a telecommunicator....pitiful.
Cramertons Voice

Charlotte, NC

#12 Nov 19, 2011
For the record, Butch was not kicked off of Cramerton's Voice. He chose to leave on his own. We welcome Butch back anytime he chooses. You may not agree with what Butch says or how he says it, but he has more information about town than most as he is the only one who has been a faithful attendant at council meetings for the last several years and goes out and gets answers to questions he has. He doesn't just sit back and make assumptions about what is happening in town.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#13 Nov 19, 2011
LMAO! Butch is a joke. Washed up cop?
Wasn't he fired! Of course, the TOC officials
will defend their brown-nosed buddy. Why
didn't we see his name on the ballot? Because
even you know he is a joke. He is just a big
lazy slob with a loud mouth. He has no life
that is why he is always sniffing at the TOC
officials butt! Sad to think he is representative
of Cramerton residents. Makes us all look like
Rednecks. Maybe if he would get off his computer
and get out of the house he would lose weight.
Sorry to see some of the fine cultured folks
in town hanging with Rednecks & motorcycle
trash.
observer

United States

#14 Nov 19, 2011
I can certainly see why he would be fired from any job.
freedomfighter7 wrote:
LMAO! Butch is a joke. Washed up cop?
Wasn't he fired! Of course, the TOC officials
will defend their brown-nosed buddy. Why
didn't we see his name on the ballot? Because
evenly you know he is a joke. He is just a big
lazy slob with a loud mouth. He has no life
that is why he is always sniffing at the TOC
officials butt! Sad to think he is representative
of Cramerton residents. Makes us all look like
Rednecks. Maybe if he would get off his computer
and get out of the house he would lose weight.
Sorry to see some of the fine cultured folks
in town hanging with Rednecks & motorcycle
trash.
Cramerton Resident

Cramerton, NC

#15 Nov 20, 2011
To observer and Freedomfighter, I feel so much better after reading your post. I would be devistated if I heard anything possitive come from either of you. Your ignorance is so well defined by your posting, and just for the record it is very apparent you don't need my help making you look like a redneck you are doing a good job of that by yourself. Its a shame I am a washed up cop and telecommunicator guess I am not smart enough to hold down one of those jobs, oh well, by the way what esecutive jobs do you two hold, something along the lines of parking lot attendant at McDonalds, well maybe that is a little much but keep trying some day you may reach that goal of yours. I still see both of you do not have balls enough to print your real name, its really easy being a badass behind a name like "observer" which tells me there is no way in hell you would ever take a stance where people would actually know who you are, you just want to watch. Freedomfighter, you would not know what a freedomfighter was if he came up and kicked you in your ass. You are offending many veterans with that name because obviusly you are a coward, if not give me your real name. Hey you two, have a wonderful Thanksgiving.
observer

Morrison, TN

#16 Nov 21, 2011
Butch define "devistated"and "esecutive" are those really words?? You must have an IQ of of a lemon.
Cramerton Resident wrote:
To observer and Freedomfighter, I feel so much better after reading your post. I would be devistated if I heard anything possitive come from either of you. Your ignorance is so well defined by your posting, and just for the record it is very apparent you don't need my help making you look like a redneck you are doing a good job of that by yourself. Its a shame I am a washed up cop and telecommunicator guess I am not smart enough to hold down one of those jobs, oh well, by the way what esecutive jobs do you two hold, something along the lines of parking lot attendant at McDonalds, well maybe that is a little much but keep trying some day you may reach that goal of yours. I still see both of you do not have balls enough to print your real name, its really easy being a badass behind a name like "observer" which tells me there is no way in hell you would ever take a stance where people would actually know who you are, you just want to watch. Freedomfighter, you would not know what a freedomfighter was if he came up and kicked you in your ass. You are offending many veterans with that name because obviusly you are a coward, if not give me your real name. Hey you two, have a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Cramerton Resident

Cramerton, NC

#17 Nov 21, 2011
observer wrote:
Butch define "devistated"and "esecutive" are those really words?? You must have an IQ of of a lemon.
<quoted text>
Guess what I found out today Mr observer, I was given your name by a person who use to be on the fire dept with you, as soon as I confirm it is really you we can get together and have a little chat.
observer

Lexington, SC

#18 Nov 22, 2011
Cramerton Resident wrote:
Cramerton Citizen I usually don't do this but I am going to have to call you a LIER. Obviously you do not read all post on here because if you did you would have read several times by several different people that I attend all council meeting and never has anyone on the council stood up and pointed his finger and said "we don't need you". That is just a damn lie. Records are kept of all statements made at council meeting, you will not find a copy of that anywhere. It is so sad that ignorant people like you can not admit you were beaten. The people of Cramerton have spoken and you lost. Now get on your Greyhound bus and tell the driver to speed up to get you as far away from this place as possible. I know what you mean about all the houses for sell in Cramerton, its a shame the rest of the country is doing so well in the housing market and poor Cramerton has these hundreds of houses for sale, I guess people who read about Cramerton and read the stupid stuff you post figure they don't want to be around people from the dark ages so they pass Cramerton by. Maybe after you move we can start filling these houses with intellegent people.
And observer, are you the brother of Cramerton Citizen because you sound just as stupid. Read to me where it says I am kicked off Cramerton Voice, it does not say that anywhere, the election is over we won end of story so I removed myself from Cramerton Voice. You people are so funny, sad, but funny.
The meeting to which I referred was a private meeting at the FD with the council...not a council mtg. As those weren't public, you would not have been there. Council members behave MUCH differently out of the public eye.

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