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concerned parent

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Should drug testing be mandatory for teachers?
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Yes and for students and welfare recipients. Don't pass the test no welfare check for one year.
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to west coaster; well said. Welfare recipients should be held accountable for the checks they receive. Some sort of manual labor(pick up garbage-sweep streets-work concession stands) something to make them appreciate their free money more.

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Yes I do. I can't drive a truck with out one on a dirt road. Yet they have my grandbabies for 8 hours a day. Something is wrong with the world we live in today. Test them all if they take a fit can their a$$ their hiding something anyways.

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Why test teachers .. All the kids are stoned.
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Random drug testing teachers or welfare recipients is unconstitutional and a serious government abuse of power. Anyone who says yes to this idea has absolutely NO respect for the United States Constitution, the very document that allows them to post their opinions on here.
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How is it unconstitutional for them and so many other jobs can require it? I don't understand.
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Citizen

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Jun 19, 2012
 
Private employers are not subject to the same standards as the government.
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Jun 19, 2012
 
The Fourth Amendment puts strict limits on what kind of searches the state can carry out, and drug tests are considered to be a search. In 1997, in Chandler v. Miller, the Supreme Court voted 8-1 to strike down a Georgia law requiring candidates for state offices to pass a drug test.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, writing for the majority, said that the drug testing was an unreasonable search. The state can impose drug tests in exceptional cases, when there is a public-safety need for them (as with bus and train operators, for instance). But the Fourth Amendment does not allow the state to diminish "personal privacy for a symbol's sake," the court said.(Read whether schoolteachers should be drug-tested.)

Drug testing welfare applicants does not seem to meet the Chandler test since there is no particular safety reason to be concerned about drug use by welfare recipients. In 2003, the U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals struck down Michigan's drug testing of welfare applicants as a Fourth Amendment violation.
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HUH wrote:
<quoted text>Then how is it constitutional for all other employers to drug test their employees. What is the difference between a coal miner and a welfare recipient (other than the fact the coal miner or another employee works 8-10 hrs a day to pay for the welfare person's check and benefits)? My husband could go to work on any morning and have to give a urine test, so why should it be unconstitutional for a teacher or welfare person not have to pee in a cup for their jobs and/or checks and benefits????
Really, I don't get it either! Didn't the Govener just try and make drug testing mandatory for miners(something that mining companies did anyway.)
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Jun 19, 2012
 
Citizen wrote:
Private employers are not subject to the same standards as the government.
But government is trying to dictate the standards of employees to private companies. Since the goverment is supposed to belong to the people, shouldn't we have a voice as to the standard we expect from our tax paid employees or in the case of welfare, our tax funded dependents?
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Jun 19, 2012
 
How wrote:
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But government is trying to dictate the standards of employees to private companies. Since the goverment is supposed to belong to the people, shouldn't we have a voice as to the standard we expect from our tax paid employees or in the case of welfare, our tax funded dependents?
You do have a voice and if you dont like it you can try and change the Constitution. The 4th amendment is what is restricting what you suggest from being implemented. I personally think the 4th is there for a reason.
West Coaster

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Jun 19, 2012
 
I believe a key pharase in the 4th amendment is "Probable Cause". Not a problem with drug users is it?
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Jun 19, 2012
 
West Coaster wrote:
I believe a key pharase in the 4th amendment is "Probable Cause". Not a problem with drug users is it?
"Probable Cause" is not actually in the 4th amendment but the idea is basically the same. That is the whole point, there is no probable cause in random drug testing. That is why it is random.
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Jun 19, 2012
 
Citizen wrote:
<quoted text>You do have a voice and if you dont like it you can try and change the Constitution. The 4th amendment is what is restricting what you suggest from being implemented. I personally think the 4th is there for a reason.
I definitely think its there for a reason also but I don't think that reason was to protect the stoner educators from influencing our impressionable children in possibly a negative way. It's they courts and lawyers that twisted those reachings. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are trying to say but I also know I learned much more than text book material from my teachers and as a parent I want to have as many positive role models as I can for my children. We should demand quality, right?
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Jun 19, 2012
 
If it's gov. standards then why is it, if someone fails a drug test and is fired for failing the test, then they are not eligable for unemployment benefits. Last I herd the unemployment office employees take off gov holidays and they claim gov benefits....
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Jun 20, 2012
 
I'm sorry, but a teacher isn't concerned a public safety need?!?! For example, what if they had a student who was a diabetic or epileptic and something happened to that student while in class, but the teacher was too out of it to even realize? And if there are laws about drug testing welfare recipients, then how did KY pass the law to do so?
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Jun 20, 2012
 
Scared: Please learn correct grammar so we can understand the trivial garbage you are posting.
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Jun 20, 2012
 
Anyone around kids should be tested!! Thing is we probably won't have any bus drivers or teachers left except maybe a handful!

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