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Va bill would test for drugs to use welfare

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Working4aLiving

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#1 Dec 22, 2012
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Would be good but doubt it will pass. I'am sorry but I am tired of working my butt off and living paycheck to paycheck, while some abuse the system. There are no morals or work ethics anymore. I DO realize that there are legitimate reasons to need a helping hand. God bless those that need help. But... Using my tax dollar to feed a "need" shouldn't happen.
Reanne

Clifton Forge, VA

#2 Dec 22, 2012
I agree those funds should be for people who really need them, unfortunate that the majority are the children of the junkies who abuse the system :( I hope the policy passes and additionally kids will be taken from those who are found "using" since they are not putting them first anyway
Working4aLiving

Covington, VA

#4 Dec 22, 2012
Good point Reanne. Its a vicious cycle.
Maybe

Covington, VA

#5 Dec 22, 2012
I don't see anything wrong with it. I had to pass a drug test to get my job and we are subject to random drug testing every workday. It was the same when I was in the military. The only guys who complained about it then were the ones who were doing drugs!
Reanne

Clifton Forge, VA

#7 Dec 22, 2012
Thats right I've read that the Democrats are arguing that it is attacking the poor to require drug testing and will cost too much money, well even poor people have to drug test to get a job to pay taxes why not when we need to use those funds to get thru hard times? and testing will save alot of funds from being used for crack! not all of it will be stopped but I have seen alot of people bleed the system so they don't have to get up and take care of business, how can we expect people to be productive members of society if we keep treating all cases as victimization?
Facts

Quinton, VA

#8 Dec 22, 2012
If the purpose of this bill is to test individuals who take part in tax payers dollars, then we should test all individuals who receive a benefit from tax payers dollars. that be not only food stamp recipients, but also students who receive federal funding because as long as my tax dollars are going to them then they should not be on drugs. Also those congressmen who benefit from a tax payer salary. I think they should be drug tested too because with all the recent scandals, I am sure they are doing drugs as well. O, how about those individuals who take part in things that my tax dollars fund, like people who go to the park, every time a person takes a step in the park they need to pee in a cup because my tax dollars and others' tax dollars help fund that.

But just a little information, this was done in Florida and they ended up paying way more than out than making money and taking individuals off of TANF because of a failed drug test. I think it was 2% that they found of people who tested positive out of all the recipients but I think it was 8% of Florida residents actually used substances.

Here is a helpful link with some satire from John Stewart:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-februar...

More helpful links:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/20/2758871...

http://www.chron.com/opinion/editorials/artic...

http://watchdog.org/63121/fl-states-mandatory...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savin...
Reanne

Clifton Forge, VA

#9 Dec 22, 2012
you know it amazes me how it always comes down to the amount put in to test, the government affords to test our military before they will pay them, what is the difference? and if like our employers they make those who fail pay then duh the number of failed tests would fall and it should be worth it to be certain that the vast majority isnt just asking for the handouts because they need a fix and cant pay their bills and get the drugs on their own? I teeter on the edge of poverty every winter and would not object to testing if it meant my kids were fed when there is not enough money to pay for everything. you wouldnt figure it would be such a big debate but both sides have a good arguement, on one hand why spend more money to "maybe" catch some druggies abusing the system, and the other side who probably know a few people who do use the funds because they cant support the habits
Facts

Quinton, VA

#10 Dec 22, 2012
And there lies the issue, I refuse to have to pay for your negative drug test through my tax dollars. It isn't fair. to get the 1 maybe 2% of people who may abuse. I refuse to keep putting ourselves in debt because you don't like a few people who are on assistance. and as I put it earlier, target everyone that receives tax payers funds, not just a portion of people. i.e. congressional members who are rarely in office to do work. people who are too worried roe v wade, voter id, and redistricting the state when they should be talking about jobs.
Facts

Quinton, VA

#11 Dec 22, 2012
and if you care to look up the research on the subject we would lose way more money than saving. Not only would we still be paying for people on TANF, but we would also have to pay for their negative drug test and I refuse to have my tax dollars go to something so worthless.
Facts

Quinton, VA

#12 Dec 22, 2012
Here are some peer review articles that state the same thing that I had previously posted. small percentages.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2...
Facts

Quinton, VA

#13 Dec 22, 2012
Even Richard Bell, the person who initially proposed this bill, questioned the fiscal side of the bill because of the high costs that it would demand on tax payers, which would amount in three hundred and forty-five dollars (Meola, 2012).

Source:
Meola, O.(2012, February 07). Welfare drug screening legislation faces delay. Richmond Times-Dispatch. Retrieved from http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2012/feb/0...
great idea

Covington, VA

#14 Dec 23, 2012
I would be all for it. Better yet prosecute the dope heads when they get busted instead of letting them off with probation. Gets old seeing the same names all the time getting caught dealing. Wondering what lind of world my kids will be stuck with when i die in the next few years.
Working4aLiving

Covington, VA

#15 Dec 23, 2012
I am just sick of people gaming the system while the hardworking lower-middle-class flip the bill. If there is no way to fix this we should re-evaluate the system..I think way more than 2% game the system.. We should have more focus on education and training to get people back to work.
Facts

United States

#16 Dec 23, 2012
Please look at every link that I have provided, especially the peer reviewed link. Having this bill will only cost tax payers more money. It has been proven in other states that have tried this. But like I stated earlier, which goes to show no one cares to read post or do research, if one is upset that people abuse the system and take tax dollars when they abuse drugs then we should have all those who are recipients of tax dollar benefits, like the general assembly and government officials, be subjected to the same drug test. But when you discuss this with the congressmen and women they all of a sudden do not want to do it. They recieve the same funds and I want to make sure they are not abiding the system as well.

I agree we should have more of a focus on education. We should also have more of a focus on helping individuals who can't kick an addiction. After all, substance abuse is a serious illness that changes the chemical make-up of the human brain and really impacts one's behaviors. Treat the person don't hurt the person.

And the 2% was proven true in Florida. The other resources that I have provided has the average around 3 to 5%. Which is still a small amount.

What this bill will do is have the person pay for a drug test and then if they test negative they get reimbursed. With numbers like 3 to 5% testing positive that means 95 - 97% of people will recieve a reimbursement from the state which means we will be paying them money that we never had to begin with so we as a state will be losing way more money than gaining it. It is simple math. Do some research on the subject like I have and notice the truth behind it. I refuse to have my tax dollars or anyone else's used for some political plow.
Working4aLiving

Covington, VA

#17 Dec 23, 2012
@Facts, I appreciate your insight and knowledge on this subject. I have checked out the info you have provided. Not concerning this topic in particular, but welfare at large my concern is that poor decisions are rewarded and re-enforced while those that have the initiative and drive to pull their selves out of poverty are penalized.
Facts

United States

#18 Dec 23, 2012
Coming from poverty it is very tough to pull yourself out of it. For one, you don't have adequate resources to pull yourself out, ie financially, then you are also discouraged in academics because you come from poverty, ie you get told to take lower classes than what may challenge you. Then you gain employment that has no guarantee in mobility, ie you stay in the same position for ten years barely making 9.00 an hours trying to provide for a family. If there is anywhere to start complaining, we should start with the education system for not educating ALL individuals the same and then go after these corporations who are currently making record profits and not paying their employees adequate wages. The majority of individuals on TANF are individuals who do work. And because they work for companies who do not provide adequate wages they need this assistance. And also individuals need to start being mad at corporations who receive tax deductions for having individuals on TANF in their business so there is less of an incentive to pay more money because they will have the tax cut benefit from having individuals receive assistance. So we have to look at all spectrums of what causes poverty cause we all have an influence on it.
munum

Masontown, PA

#19 Dec 25, 2012
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Get real

United States

#20 Dec 25, 2012
Facts wrote:
If the purpose of this bill is to test individuals who take part in tax payers dollars, then we should test all individuals who receive a benefit from tax payers dollars. that be not only food stamp recipients, but also students who receive federal funding because as long as my tax dollars are going to them then they should not be on drugs. Also those congressmen who benefit from a tax payer salary. I think they should be drug tested too because with all the recent scandals, I am sure they are doing drugs as well. O, how about those individuals who take part in things that my tax dollars fund, like people who go to the park, every time a person takes a step in the park they need to pee in a cup because my tax dollars and others' tax dollars help fund that.
But just a little information, this was done in Florida and they ended up paying way more than out than making money and taking individuals off of TANF because of a failed drug test. I think it was 2% that they found of people who tested positive out of all the recipients but I think it was 8% of Florida residents actually used substances.
Here is a helpful link with some satire from John Stewart:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-februar...
More helpful links:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/20/2758871...
http://www.chron.com/opinion/editorials/artic...
http://watchdog.org/63121/fl-states-mandatory...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savin...
Congressmen are paid to WORK. College students are paid to LEARN. Welfare recipients are paid to sit on their asses.....I think there's a BIG difference there.
Facts

United States

#21 Dec 25, 2012
Get real wrote:
<quoted text>Congressmen are paid to WORK. College students are paid to LEARN. Welfare recipients are paid to sit on their asses.....I think there's a BIG difference there.
I kind of find it sad that you find congressmen working when they are in office no more than a little over 100 days doing so called WORK. I find it funny that you think they are doing work when they have yet to solve the fiscal cliff situation. So if these congressmen can not be in office the same amount of days individual citizens work then I do not consider then doing work.

This is what I find hilarious because clearly you have not done any research as I have on this particular bill and you also cared not to look at the link that shows the evidence of the waste this bill will have on the Virginia economy. But the basis of these bills are that they want to regulate those on TANF because they are recipients of tax dollars and if they are using then they should not receive it. The majority of individuals who are on TANF are individuals who work for companies who barely pay them above minimum wage and the elderly population. So individuals who work and individuals who have worked and are now too old.

Another problem with your statement is that you do not see the issue with students receiving tax dollars. If you looked at colleges, there are rarely any that have a 100% retention rate. These students are more likely to participate in illegal substances than individuals receiving TANF and instead of going to class they are out partying on my tax payer dollars.

So before you make a comment and try to direct it to me in a negative fashion, please utilize the resources that I have provided for you to help you make an adequate answer to challenge me with. As it was too easy for me to defuse each statement that you had brought up.
Facts

United States

#22 Dec 25, 2012
And you go by the name of get real, look at the facts that I have provided and get real with reality. I refuse to pay from a bogus bill that even the representative who introduced the bill stated that it has several fiscal, meaning financial, problems with it.

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