Fight to legalize gay marriage in Rhode Island

There are 524 comments on the New York Daily News story from Jan 15, 2013, titled Fight to legalize gay marriage in Rhode Island. In it, New York Daily News reports that:

Supporters of same-sex marriage rights plan to assemble at the Rhode Island Statehouse to urge lawmakers to make the smallest state the 10th to allow gay and lesbian couples to wed - and the last to do so in New England.

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CA Catholic

Orinda, CA

#513 Feb 2, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Now you are wishing that others go to hell. Some christian.
Christians have a direct mandate from God to be a winsome light that gently draws others to Christ.
How is that going for you?
Guess cause you aren't worth the effort.
CA Catholic

Orinda, CA

#514 Feb 2, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Silly bigot.
Prove to us that an animal can legally consent to marriage, and sign a marriage contract.
Why is it that your sort has things like bestiality in your minds in the first place.
And you call yourself "catholic"? Doesn't God frown on having one's mind filled with things like bestiality, and fantasizing about other folks having sex with animals?
Geesh. Why bother to pretend to be a christian if you can't tell the difference between marrying animals and another human.
Your ilk spends endless obsessive interest in gay sexuality and calls it normal....but the to you the killing of innocent unborn life is normal.

Beat it, lib.
CA Catholic

Orinda, CA

#515 Feb 2, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Silly bigot.
Prove to us that an animal can legally consent to marriage, and sign a marriage contract.
Why is it that your sort has things like bestiality in your minds in the first place.
And you call yourself "catholic"? Doesn't God frown on having one's mind filled with things like bestiality, and fantasizing about other folks having sex with animals?
Geesh. Why bother to pretend to be a christian if you can't tell the difference between marrying animals and another human.
Look at the lib caring about decency.

Millions of abortions of innocent lives supported by trash like you, and you drone on about homosexual love. What do you know of humanity?

What a joke your life is!

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#516 Feb 2, 2013
CA Catholic wrote:
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Guess cause you aren't worth the effort.
So Jesus said that you were to decide for yourself which people are "worth it"?

Hmmm.

Not very Christian of you, especially since you have never met me, or anyone who knows me.

Since: Mar 07

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#517 Feb 2, 2013
CA Catholic wrote:
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Your ilk spends endless obsessive interest in gay sexuality and calls it normal....but the to you the killing of innocent unborn life is normal.
Beat it, lib.
Um, it's YOU who seems to be obsessed with the sex you fantasize gay folks are having. After all, you are on a thread about MARRIAGE, and the first ting that comes into your mind is strangers having sex.

And when have I EVER stated my beliefs about abortion?

Your grip on reality is a bit loose.

Since: Mar 07

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#519 Feb 2, 2013
CA Catholic wrote:
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Look at the lib caring about decency.
Millions of abortions of innocent lives supported by trash like you, and you drone on about homosexual love. What do you know of humanity?
What a joke your life is!
When have I discussed my political beliefs, OR my stance on abortion?

Can you tell me how you can determine sooooo much about people you have never met?

Just because you think something, doesn't make it so. You have so much irrational judgement locking up your soul that you can't tell the difference between what comes out of your own mind and reality.

That's pretty sad.

You are very anti-abortion, correct? So, how many unwanted children have you adopted and raised? How many frightened young unwed Mothers have you counseled and mentored? How many financially overextended families have you helped financially, so that they feel secure enough to have that unplanned child?

If you have done ANY of those things, good for you.

But gay folks have done them ALL as well.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#520 Feb 2, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Um, it's YOU who seems to be obsessed with the sex you fantasize gay folks are having. After all, you are on a thread about MARRIAGE, and the first ting that comes into your mind is strangers having sex.
Isn't marriage, as a distinct, and publicly recognized relationship, at its core about sex? What the sexes do, engage in coital sexual intercourse, and the products of that, children. Marriage serves as a means of regulating sex between men and women. Perhaps not as much now as it did several decades or more ago, but a regulatory purpose none the less. Now with SSM....there's no such regulatory need, or purpose.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#521 Feb 2, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Isn't marriage, as a distinct, and publicly recognized relationship, at its core about sex? What the sexes do, engage in coital sexual intercourse, and the products of that, children. Marriage serves as a means of regulating sex between men and women. Perhaps not as much now as it did several decades or more ago, but a regulatory purpose none the less. Now with SSM....there's no such regulatory need, or purpose.
Marriage is about sex?

Obviously you've never been married for more than 6 months!

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#522 Feb 2, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Marriage is about sex?
So what part of the following was confusing to you?

Isn't marriage, as a distinct, and publicly recognized relationship, at its core about sex? What the sexes do, engage in coital sexual intercourse, and the products of that, children. Marriage serves as a means of regulating sex between men and women. Perhaps not as much now as it did several decades or more ago, but a regulatory purpose none the less.
Obviously you've never been married for more than 6 months!
300 months and counting, and you? I take it you use the rhythm method?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#523 Feb 2, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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So what part of the following was confusing to you?
Isn't marriage, as a distinct, and publicly recognized relationship, at its core about sex? What the sexes do, engage in coital sexual intercourse, and the products of that, children. Marriage serves as a means of regulating sex between men and women. Perhaps not as much now as it did several decades or more ago, but a regulatory purpose none the less.
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300 months and counting, and you? I take it you use the rhythm method?
Obviously you have no sense of humor.

I have no rhythm at all, much to horror of my husband of 26+ years especially when I insist on dancing with him in public!

Sex has never been required for marriage; marriage isn't required to have sex.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#524 Feb 2, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Obviously you have no sense of humor.
Now...now....if ya had followed that with a "bah bump bump'....

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I have no rhythm at all, much to horror of my husband of 26+ years especially when I insist on dancing with him in public!
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Okay....that was cute...gotta give ya that one.
Sex has never been required for marriage; marriage isn't required to have sex.
Sheepie....Sheepie....I never said it was a requirement, rather a means of regulating the sex that the sexes have with each other, and what that sex produces, children including one who grow up and adopts the moniker of "We the Sheeple".

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#525 Feb 2, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Now...now....if ya had followed that with a "bah bump bump'....
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Okay....that was cute...gotta give ya that one.
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Sheepie....Sheepie....I never said it was a requirement, rather a means of regulating the sex that the sexes have with each other, and what that sex produces, children including one who grow up and adopts the moniker of "We the Sheeple".
Just how does marriage regulate sex?

Marriage doesn't require people to have sex.
Marriage doesn't prevent them from having sex with someone outside their marriage.
Marriage doesn't prevent unmarried people from having sex.
Do you get a tax break for having sex within marriage?

Marriage in no way regulates sex.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#526 Feb 2, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Just how does marriage regulate sex?

Marriage doesn't require people to have sex.
Marriage doesn't prevent them from having sex with someone outside their marriage.
Marriage doesn't prevent unmarried people from having sex.
Do you get a tax break for having sex within marriage?
Marriage in no way regulates sex.
Why does marriage exist in the first place?
Why are there still laws on the books criminalizing adultery?
Why is failure to consummate a legitimate grounds for divorce?
Why did/do "shot gun" marriages take place?
Why are the words "marital relations" used to refer to coital sexual intercourse?
Why is "presumption of paternity" part of marital jurisprudence?
Why do some states allow an offended spouse to sue the "other woman/man"?
Why are siblings barred from marrying?
Why are other blood relatives barred from marrying?

Why...why have human societies, throughout history, not organized themselves around the concept of marriage as a "union of two people regardless of gender composition"?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#527 Feb 2, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Why does marriage exist in the first place?
Why are there still laws on the books criminalizing adultery?
Why is failure to consummate a legitimate grounds for divorce?
Why did/do "shot gun" marriages take place?
Why are the words "marital relations" used to refer to coital sexual intercourse?
Why is "presumption of paternity" part of marital jurisprudence?
Why do some states allow an offended spouse to sue the "other woman/man"?
Why are siblings barred from marrying?
Why are other blood relatives barred from marrying?
Why...why have human societies, throughout history, not organized themselves around the concept of marriage as a "union of two people regardless of gender composition"?
Societies change, just as ours is changing.

Marriage was once primarily about the tranfer of property from one man to another- i.e. one man's daughter to another man, often accompanied by a payment in goats or cattle. Then as society changed marriage became more about holding men responsible for the children they produced and creating an orderly procreation. Then as society changed yet again, marriage became more about two people coming together as equals and sharing their lives together, regardless of whether or not they had any children.

And now society is changing yet again, and the institution of marriage is changing along with it.

WE as a society decide what marriage is about, and that is constantly changing, and will no doubt change again in the future.

Since: Mar 07

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#528 Feb 3, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Isn't marriage, as a distinct, and publicly recognized relationship, at its core about sex?....
You might believe that the most important aspect of marriage is sex, if you had never been married.

Just ask most married couples with young kids if sex is number ONE on their list of important marriage functions, or down a couple of notches on the list. Ask that question of any couple married for several years, or 50 years.

Don't misunderstand, sex IS important, and it deepens a marriage, and tightens the bonds of a married couple. It's a WONDERFUL thing.

But sex is in NO WAY the PRIMARY thing that binds most happily married couples together.

Just ask a few happily married couples if you don't believe me.

There are many of them on these threads who would be willing to share their opinions with you if you ask respectfully.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#529 Feb 3, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Why does marriage exist in the first place?
Why are there still laws on the books criminalizing adultery?
Why is failure to consummate a legitimate grounds for divorce?
Why did/do "shot gun" marriages take place?
Why are the words "marital relations" used to refer to coital sexual intercourse?
Why is "presumption of paternity" part of marital jurisprudence?
Why do some states allow an offended spouse to sue the "other woman/man"?
Why are siblings barred from marrying?
Why are other blood relatives barred from marrying?
Why...why have human societies, throughout history, not organized themselves around the concept of marriage as a "union of two people regardless of gender composition"?
ASK married people about the place and function of sex in their marriage.

No one is trying to say it is not important, but is it the MOST important aspect of any marriage?

From the way you post, I can't believe that you have ever been married.

Have you?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#530 Feb 3, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Societies change, just as ours is changing.
True. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Marriage was once primarily about the tranfer of property from one man to another- i.e. one man's daughter to another man, often accompanied by a payment in goats or cattle. Then as society changed marriage became more about holding men responsible for the children they produced and creating an orderly procreation.
Procreation. The reason marriage exists as a distinct publicly recognized relationship in the first place. If human pro creation wasn't sexual, would it matter who got who's goat?
Then as society changed yet again, marriage became more about two people coming together as equals and sharing their lives together, regardless of whether or not they had any children.
Ahhhhhh.....the revisionist view of marriage. Somehow within that view, biology is still present. Somehow when those "two people as equals" come together a new life is created. Whether intended or not, whether even married or not, sex still makes babies. All the change in the world don't change that.
And now society is changing yet again, and the institution of marriage is changing along with it.
WE as a society decide what marriage is about, and that is constantly changing, and will no doubt change again in the future.
We may very well "change" it into irrelevancy. Perhaps that's the ultimate goal here

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#531 Feb 3, 2013
Quest wrote:
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You might believe that the most important aspect of marriage is sex, if you had never been married.
Just ask most married couples with young kids if sex is number ONE on their list of important marriage functions, or down a couple of notches on the list. Ask that question of any couple married for several years, or 50 years.
Don't misunderstand, sex IS important, and it deepens a marriage, and tightens the bonds of a married couple. It's a WONDERFUL thing.
But sex is in NO WAY the PRIMARY thing that binds most happily married couples together.
Just ask a few happily married couples if you don't believe me.
There are many of them on these threads who would be willing to share their opinions with you if you ask respectfully.
Either you did not understand the point, or did, and chose to ignore it. Here's what I wrote:

Pietro Armando wrote:
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Isn't marriage, as a distinct, and publicly recognized relationship, at its core about sex?

I wasn't referring to individual marriages, rather the concept of marriage, and why it exists in the first place. If human reproduction wasn't sexual, why would it matter who married who? Would marriage as we know it exist today?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#532 Feb 3, 2013
Quest wrote:
From the way you post, I can't believe that you have ever been married.
Have you?
Ahhhh....Questy but I am....married with children.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#533 Feb 3, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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True. The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Procreation. The reason marriage exists as a distinct publicly recognized relationship in the first place. If human pro creation wasn't sexual, would it matter who got who's goat?
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Ahhhhhh.....the revisionist view of marriage. Somehow within that view, biology is still present. Somehow when those "two people as equals" come together a new life is created. Whether intended or not, whether even married or not, sex still makes babies. All the change in the world don't change that.
And now society is changing yet again, and the institution of marriage is changing along with it.
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We may very well "change" it into irrelevancy. Perhaps that's the ultimate goal here

It may become irrelevant to you, but to millions of gays & lesbians the right to marry is very relevant. And to 100s of millions of Americans marriage will remain relevant even though same-sex couples can marry.

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