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Driver Wants License To Match Gender Identity

There are 32 comments on the www.ketv.com story from Aug 17, 2009, titled Driver Wants License To Match Gender Identity. In it, www.ketv.com reports that:

More and more gay, lesbian and transgendered people want their driver's licenses to reflect their identities.

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“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

Since: Apr 09

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#21 Aug 17, 2009
Purple Gurl wrote:
The headline is a lie. It is a transsexual person, not a transgender. It is an insult to refer to a TS as a TG or even to mention them in the same article with homosexuals. TSism (birth defect), unlike TGism (men who keep their penises for life while "living" as "women") and gayness, is a birth defect.
The real reason reporters lump TSs with TGs and gays are to deprive them of rights. TSs can conform to general society, TGs and homosexuals never can. And it makes them angry that they do what they can to deprive others of rights. Before the 80s, a TS could get their birth certificate and license changed in any state and marry as heterosexuals, and they were not considered LGBT in *ANY* way back then.
If you don't believe me, attend a TG support group meeting. You will find that whenever a fully transitioning TS starts to speak, the TGs will "get offended" (manipulation tactic) or talk over the TS. The TSs simply want to talk about their transition, how people treat them, the challenges, etc. The TGs blame the TSs for how they are treated, give them hurtful advice like not caring as much about how they look, are obsessed with talking about homosexuals, and talk about getting drunk, clubbing, their fast cars, how much money they make, and other interests typically associated with men. Unlike MtF TSs, the "MtF" TGs have the inner core and identity of men, but choose to dress or "live" somewhat as women. When things get hot and heavy for the CD/TG, HE can go home and take off his clothes. But if a TS is under fire, she has no such option. The TG often as a dual life that the TS woman does not have. A lot of TG males are obsessed with money and power, since they have the nature of men despite how they dress, and with all this money, they can move, hire an attorney, or whatever. True TSs have more of the nature of women and are often not as aggressive in making a living.
Transgender is a blanket term covering all people with Gender veriant personalities weather it be a crossdresser or a Transsexual. Your mixing up Transgender with transgenderists another group of the transgender group.
Also not every Transsexual can afford GRS that is no reason to look down on us.

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

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#22 Aug 17, 2009
Purple Gurl wrote:
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That is transgendered. There is no such thing as semi-transgendered. TS means you are a type of person who gets the surgery, TGs as a whole don't. The woman in the article is a transsexual, not a transgender, but the media does not know the difference. Anyone can be TG, and if you as much as wear a dress or take hormones, or get surgery for frivolous reasons, then you are a TG. But if you truly are a woman born in a man's body, have the wrong parts below due to an inborn birth defect, want them gone, and want a completely mainstream life that is in no way connected to the LGBT, then you are a TS.
TG and TS are opposing philosophies. TGs are more liberal, and TSs are more conservative. TGs cannot conform to the binary gender system, and therefore, their political movement tries to change everyone else. TSs change their bodies and lifestyle to bring their brain wiring in line with society as it is. So politically, they only want a few adjustments to the laws that already exist, not a bunch of new ones. TGs are gender-variant, while the TSs are gender-conformists, just conforming to the correct gender, not the biological one. TSs, hence the name, change their physical sex. TGs either attempt to change their gender identity (impossible - since gender, unlike biological sex, is a function of brain wiring and the soul), or they simply change their social gender role without regard to biology nor gender identity.
The newspapers get it wrong, and assume TSs are TGs, and the LGBT deliberately blurs the lines to neutralize TSs as a threat to them. As long as TSs are painted as a type of TG or other LGBT member, their ability to speak out against it and side with the mainstream is hampered.
Not every body is sure where they belong. Me I plan on going all the way when i can afford it. However I dont deny my male history instead i embrace it. I'm not ashamed of who i was i just wasnt comfortable with it.
Your rhetoric is counter productive to obtaining our rights.

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

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#23 Aug 17, 2009
Purple Gurl wrote:
Resources for TSs who are not a part of the TG nor LGBT community or who dislike being lumped with TGs or other parts of the LGBT:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TS-Specific_Mov...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HarryBenjaminsS...
http://shb-info.org/hbs.html
It is a major misconception that TSs are a type of TG or even a part of the LGBT. Since most TSs correct their birth defect and become a part of mainstream society, they are typically not politically active. Their silence is taken as permission by the TGs and LGBTs to control them and speak for them.
If we claim we have a birth defect (which i do believe we do i've seen most of the studies proving it) Who are we to call other groups less than us. I am proud to be part of the LGBT community because we help eachother in the end. I also believe that being Gay is a variance in birth. I find it hypocritical to scream "I want my rights but dont give this group over here that has helped us get theirs" and that goes both ways.

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

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#24 Aug 17, 2009
Wolfgang E B wrote:
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Ah yes, "HBS"ers: TS's driven by a competitive, masculine urge to enforce their rigid categorical hierarchy and ensure that those they place at the top remain pure, untainted by the lower echelons of their community, like TS's who keep certain body parts, non-TS TGs, gays and lesbians.
The if you havnt had the surgery your not worthy of our presence crowd. Ive known a few and they drive me insane with there elitism. The more extreem ones i consider no better than those who would attack us for being transgender. This mentality is detrimental to Trans rights and equality IMO

yernogood-

“U missed the point and u still”

Since: Oct 08

don't no which way it went

#25 Aug 17, 2009
You have all the rights everyone else does, you deserve no more than that.

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

Since: Apr 09

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#26 Aug 17, 2009
Purple Gurl wrote:
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That is transgendered. There is no such thing as semi-transgendered. TS means you are a type of person who gets the surgery, TGs as a whole don't. The woman in the article is a transsexual, not a transgender, but the media does not know the difference. Anyone can be TG, and if you as much as wear a dress or take hormones, or get surgery for frivolous reasons, then you are a TG. But if you truly are a woman born in a man's body, have the wrong parts below due to an inborn birth defect, want them gone, and want a completely mainstream life that is in no way connected to the LGBT, then you are a TS.
TG and TS are opposing philosophies. TGs are more liberal, and TSs are more conservative. TGs cannot conform to the binary gender system, and therefore, their political movement tries to change everyone else. TSs change their bodies and lifestyle to bring their brain wiring in line with society as it is. So politically, they only want a few adjustments to the laws that already exist, not a bunch of new ones. TGs are gender-variant, while the TSs are gender-conformists, just conforming to the correct gender, not the biological one. TSs, hence the name, change their physical sex. TGs either attempt to change their gender identity (impossible - since gender, unlike biological sex, is a function of brain wiring and the soul), or they simply change their social gender role without regard to biology nor gender identity.
The newspapers get it wrong, and assume TSs are TGs, and the LGBT deliberately blurs the lines to neutralize TSs as a threat to them. As long as TSs are painted as a type of TG or other LGBT member, their ability to speak out against it and side with the mainstream is hampered.
Also some transsexuals accept themselves in stages. Starting with being a cross dresser then realizing the feelings go deeper to eventually accept themselves as transsexual. To alienate these groups just because you dont like them is both selfish and detrimental.

Take the time to get to know someone as an individual instead of judging for the group they are apart of. You will find many wonderful people that way.

“RAINBOW POWER!”

Since: Oct 08

I Am What I Am.

#27 Aug 17, 2009
Roisia wrote:
If we claim we have a birth defect (which i do believe we do i've seen most of the studies proving it) Who are we to call other groups less than us. I am proud to be part of the LGBT community because we help eachother in the end. I also believe that being Gay is a variance in birth. I find it hypocritical to scream "I want my rights but dont give this group over here that has helped us get theirs" and that goes both ways.
I used to try to be nice to them, but it's never done any good, and I've come to the conclusion that they're just as much bigots as the fundie religulous riech. It's time to oust them from the GLBT community. That's what they seem to want anyway.

“Forehead wrinkle”

Since: Dec 10

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#28 Jun 27, 2012
Roisia wrote:
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If we claim we have a birth defect (which i do believe we do i've seen most of the studies proving it) Who are we to call other groups less than us. I am proud to be part of the LGBT community because we help eachother in the end.
INTERESTING choice of words in your last sentence above......lol!!!!

“Pompous pontificator”

Since: Jun 08

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#29 Jun 27, 2012
JM_Brazil wrote:
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To go off topic for a moment - where on earth did you get such an evil-looking dog?
As the Inn keeper said in one of my favorite Pink Panther movies: "THAT..is NOT..my dog".



BTW, I have a big, lovable Yellow Lab

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#30 Jun 28, 2012
This is a case of the Three "T" syndrome, "Trannier Than Thou" at work. What those suffering from it are saying to everyone else is that you don't have a problem, Only I had a problem. You're just having "Fun" while I was saving my life. They invariably find evidence of this in what they say that "Proves" in their mind that they are correct. You are absolutely correct about Transexuals accepting themselves in stages and we are never sure what stage we/they are in. Another point is the narrow and rigid definitions they like to use. Transexualism exists in degrees, both the driving force (Female) and the counteracting male forces. Very little attention is paid to the maleness that resists the female, by anyone. For example, I believe that Virginia Prince was a Transexual who just couldn't have SRS because of a counteracting Male force that was too strong. Perhaps her early childhood experiences in the Ewardian era prevented it. However, she still suffered from an inborn "Feminmania" that was her driving force all of her life. She went through the small hell that we all go through only she dealt with it differently. That's another thing, Many Transexuals act as though this were a blessing instead of a curse. What they forget is that life would be much simpler without it.
Regards, Terri
Roisia wrote:
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Also some transsexuals accept themselves in stages. Starting with being a cross dresser then realizing the feelings go deeper to eventually accept themselves as transsexual. To alienate these groups just because you dont like them is both selfish and detrimental.
Take the time to get to know someone as an individual instead of judging for the group they are apart of. You will find many wonderful people that way.

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#31 Jun 28, 2012
Bubbletoes wrote:
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As the Inn keeper said in one of my favorite Pink Panther movies: "THAT..is NOT..my dog".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =j7u1ZvAnsUMXX
BTW, I have a big, lovable Yellow Lab
LOL! I remember that line. Odd that this post has resurfaced from 2009. Good ol'days....

I too have a big lovable, playful yellow Lab named Woofer.(as apposed to my auxiliary pet cockatiel Tweeter) Best Lab I've ever had.
Driving Phart

Buffalo, NY

#32 Feb 6, 2017
Look at my picture pharts.

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