Homosexuality 'not in your DNA,' LDS leader says

[rezlez]

Mosaic Law wrote:

Don't forget usury!
Do you pay more than 2% on your mortgage?
You're no better than the gays!
America collapses--because of usury.
The Chinese will OWN us--because of usury.
Instead let us worry whether one woman has her tongue on another woman's vagina.

what is usury? what is having your own place to live? Morgage? property still worth something?/china is buying us up, using our resources to sell us stuff and lending us money to finance a war. US could fall and then everyone will be living on a reservation that isn't rich. The whole damn country one reservation except for the rich in the exurbs with their own services and government. No one will care who love who then. Relationships ar emore than that though. We could all be living in 3rd world conditions and after everything loses it value especially money China can buy us up cheap.

[rezlez]

Rose wrote:

<quoted text>
Can I marry a woman?
Yes or no.
Men have that right.

You can but may not get insurance and domestic partner benifits.

[rezlez]

it is all lies wrote:

LDS
is
NOT
in
my
DNA
STOOPID FOOKS!

Be glad it is not in your DNA or your geneology.

[rdg1234]

This is divided into two parts. Yell at me if they're too long.

-yernogood wrote:

<quoted text>Naturally you disagree. You really think it's impossible for a group of people to "agree" with this? Ever hear of mass hysteria? Same basic principle.

Do you know what mass hysteria is.

Look up the conditions for mass hysteria and *you may realize that you sound anti-gay* when you say this.

-yernogood wrote:

Or how about the way a cult works? Sure a person can really imply gay is a cult. Absolutely.

No; I don't think it's ridiculous because of your terminology; I think it's ridiculous because of *what you're purporting*.

How did they get all these people to cooperate? How? What you are saying means *they're lying*-- don't lose sight of that -- so all these people are *going against who they are* and going along with this?

No, I'm not buying this; and that's because it's not making sense.

It sounds *anti-gay*; it sounds like you're reaching for *ANY* way to say they're all faking it and did actually choose it.

ALL these guys all over the world actually WANT WOMEN, but they are IGNORING that and going after guys JUST to annoy you.

No; your "theory" is not making sense.

Why does no one claim that Alzheimer's is a worldwide plot, or autism? etc. etc.? Why *only sexual orientation* and why, then,*only one type* of sexual orientation? Why *just the one*?

-yernogood wrote:

When people want to believe something they will go to the end of the world to figure out a way to believe it.

You chill me to the bone.

Wouldn't it be simpler for them *to have sex with women* like everyone else. Or, for gay women,*to have sex with men*. What you claim implies that they not only *go against their nature by choice*; they go *to hell and back* to make it stick.

No, I'm not buying this.

[rdg1234]

-yernogood wrote:

Look at the pharmaceutical ads, how many illnesses do you have from them?

Not to take a cheap shop, but I have yet to see an ad telling you YOU MIGHT BE GAY AND NEED A PILL FOR IT.

-yernogood wrote:

You're smart so I doubt you talk yourself into those funny diseases.

You are smart, fun and nice but you *compromise it with silly theories*, ya goon.

-yernogood wrote:

But you know as a fact there are a plethora of people out there that have been hoodwinked into believing this illness crap. Well that's my point with this gay card and I stand by it 100%. I didn't read this or hear this (I'm sure you'd rather I did) it's my true and honest belief. So you see it's really not that they're lying they do honestly believe it but it's more a wish than a belief.

Like, they *wish* to be gay so they go after a gender *they're not attracted to* and this benefits them how?

You're being rather silly and not entirely sane.

-yernogood wrote:

As far as the selfish yep I think they are selfish, I don't think they care about any other group of people but themselves. That's the way ALL minorities are and that is also the way they are.

I think you misread it. I could actually agree with this, but *from the point of view* that they are fighting for their lives and so their efforts *are* mainly taken up with securing their own equality.

-yernogood wrote:

You of all people should be able to understand me by now and know I'm not going to say something that sounds so ridiculous if it couldn't some way be true. You must agree at least in part what I've described here can be true. If not then you might not be honest with yourself.

Actually, no, I don't buy it. I just find *you* cool and so I don't mind hearing it. You were repeatedly kind to me, and I realized that, and so I don't want you feeling you can't say what you really feel.

But YA SOUND A BIT SILLY, YA STAUNCH PATRIOT.

-yernogood wrote:

I'm not demonizing anyone; I'm talking about people that follow the lead.
I did change to a different number, I look, feel and think the same. So far!

I hope you're not disliking your new age! Sometimes people get upset when they get older. You can see yourself as a year worthier of being a citizen of the world.

[rdg1234]

-yernogood wrote:

<quoted text>You have the same rights as ALL Americans, you just want more.

This is how you talk to people here?!

No wonder they yell at you!

This is patently false.

You know it's false. Why would you be ridiculous like this.

She *cannot* marry the person *of her choice*.

[-yernogood]

Rose wrote:

<quoted text>
Can I marry a woman?
Yes or no.
Men have that right.

Well we’re equal the, you see I can’t marry a man either. That’s =

[-yernogood]

Mosaic Law wrote:

Don't forget usury!
Do you pay more than 2% on your mortgage?
You're no better than the gays!
America collapses--because of usury.
The Chinese will OWN us--because of usury.
Instead let us worry whether one woman has her tongue on another woman's vagina.

I don’t care where a woman puts her tongue at all. Why do gay people always bring the sex thing into it? I can’t remember one post where I mentioned anything about the sex. This is really a ridiculous post. See that it doesn’t happen again.

[-yernogood]

rezlez wrote:

<quoted text>
Ya or maybe a drive up where you speak your order and they deliver test tubes on roller skates to take home and you don't even have to leave the car. You know I am kidding...my humor is twisted....instead of foxes booze and cruise it could be made and quick...

Well there’s nothing more fun than a twisted sense of humor. I have to watch what I say because some sissy complained to mommy about mw on another thread and they censored me. I hear there are forums out there that let people speak their minds. I think I might leave topix it really sucks. I don't like them deleting anyone’s posts.

[-yernogood]

rdg1234 wrote:

This is divided into two parts. Yell at me if they're too long.
<quoted text>
Do you know what mass hysteria is.
Look up the conditions for mass hysteria and *you may realize that you sound anti-gay* when you say this.
<quoted text>
No; I don't think it's ridiculous because of your terminology; I think it's ridiculous because of *what you're purporting*.
How did they get all these people to cooperate? How? What you are saying means *they're lying*-- don't lose sight of that -- so all these people are *going against who they are* and going along with this?
No, I'm not buying this; and that's because it's not making sense.
It sounds *anti-gay*; it sounds like you're reaching for *ANY* way to say they're all faking it and did actually choose it.
ALL these guys all over the world actually WANT WOMEN, but they are IGNORING that and going after guys JUST to annoy you.
No; your "theory" is not making sense.
Why does no one claim that Alzheimer's is a worldwide plot, or autism? etc. etc.? Why *only sexual orientation* and why, then,*only one type* of sexual orientation? Why *just the one*?
<quoted text>
You chill me to the bone.
Wouldn't it be simpler for them *to have sex with women* like everyone else. Or, for gay women,*to have sex with men*. What you claim implies that they not only *go against their nature by choice*; they go *to hell and back* to make it stick.
No, I'm not buying this.

It’s ALWAYS TOO long. But usually enjoyable. Let me go make a stack of pancakes and I’ll get back to this.
Reply (part 1)
Yes I know what mass hysteria is I’m extremely studied, as well I was giving an example and you know that. I was in no sssssssssssssss way implying this wassssss a choice through masssssssss hyssssteria.
What I’m purporting my old nemesssissssss and new acquaintance isssss that thisss isssn’t really a new idea. Hell a little paranoid fella named Hitler convinced his followers what he was doing was fine.(sorry about the ssss I spilled some syrup in the “S” key, pancakes were great, I mix in some vanilla and cinnamon in the mix, quite tasty I believe they chose this lifestyle and I think that’s fine. I believe over the years they have felt they were missing something (true recognition) wanting to have a family and be more traditional in a non-traditional setting. Hence the organization and the gene card. Not lying, SOLD! Tell me I’m something over and over and eventually I believe I am. Oh it works. You know what I’m saying but it’s too space ship to believe and we don’t want to go there right? Why do you think so many people are comparing gay to black? Is gay the NEW black? Not just the minorities part my friend; they’re asking that question because of the FIGHT. Why do you think I use some of the words and terms I use? The “GENE CARD” How absolutely brilliant. Ssssso, call me nutssss or just throw them at me.
You don’t buy my theory and I don’t buy theirs.

[-yernogood]

rdg1234 wrote:

<quoted text>
Not to take a cheap shop, but I have yet to see an ad telling you YOU MIGHT BE GAY AND NEED A PILL FOR IT.
<quoted text>
You are smart, fun and nice but you *compromise it with silly theories*, ya goon.
<quoted text>
Like, they *wish* to be gay so they go after a gender *they're not attracted to* and this benefits them how?
You're being rather silly and not entirely sane.
<quoted text>
I think you misread it. I could actually agree with this, but *from the point of view* that they are fighting for their lives and so their efforts *are* mainly taken up with securing their own equality.
<quoted text>
Actually, no, I don't buy it. I just find *you* cool and so I don't mind hearing it. You were repeatedly kind to me, and I realized that, and so I don't want you feeling you can't say what you really feel.
But YA SOUND A BIT SILLY, YA STAUNCH PATRIOT.
<quoted text>
I hope you're not disliking your new age! Sometimes people get upset when they get older. You can see yourself as a year worthier of being a citizen of the world.

Pharmaceuticals – Again you missed the point.
Compromise – yagoon? Now don’t start stealing my lingo. I haven’t trademarked it yet so it wouldn’t really be stealing. Except for that application at my attorney’s office and the other copy locked in my safe.
Wish to be gay – Choose to be not wish.
Not sane – Most assuredly!
Fighting for lives – Wrong, fighting for special treatment like any minority does.
Cool – Warm
Ya staunch patriot – Aaaaarrrr I’s a pirate, wanna pet me parrot?
New Age – The older ya git, the older ya git.

[-yernogood]

rdg1234 wrote:

<quoted text>
This is how you talk to people here?!
No wonder they yell at you!
This is patently false.
You know it's false. Why would you be ridiculous like this.
She *cannot* marry the person *of her choice*.

But my statement is true.

[Mark in Caledonia MI]

Common Sense wrote:

Gay's define themselves by their sexual preference. Like they put rainbow stickers on their cars and all they can ever talk about if being gay.
What a sad life.
Nothing against gays, just wonder why they have to advertise it.

It's your perception that we define ourselves by our sexuality. The fact is, our sexuality is a very small part of who we are. We have other things we talk about, for instance, we are part of a car club for car enthusiasts, we own a 1968 Cadillac Seville convertible. We also own and are restoring a 1975 Carver Mariner cabin cruiser with twin V8's. Almost all of our friends are heterosexual. Besides my partner of 15 years, my best friend is my twin brother, who is heterosexual, so it would stand to reason that we talk of things besides homosexuality. We no more define ourselves by our sexuality than you do. Try again!

[Grandpasmurf952]

-yernogood said "We are equal OK! If we are citizens of America we all have the same right under our constitution and Bill of Rights. Gay’s just want more. Well NO! "

perhaps you should brush up on your high school civics.

This country is a Constitutional Republic precisely to protect minorities from bully mobs of which you seem to be involved in.

Homophobia is engendered by patriarchal religions as it makes them look foolish to contradict God in their teachings so they deny science and try to make their hateful views law. These religions deny the reality of our existence and want to return us to another dark ages.

When a majority votes to take the rights of a minority away the court steps in and determines the constitutionality of the law in question and it is struck down when and if it is determined that said law is in violation of the constitution.

If you would prefer a government where gay people are not allowed why not check out Uganda?

They are interested in a solution much like Hitlers.

[rdg1234]

-yernogood wrote:

<quoted text>It’s ALWAYS TOO long. But usually enjoyable. Let me go make a stack of pancakes and I’ll get back to this.

LOLLLLLLLL, you are great.

-yernogood wrote:

Reply (part 1)
Yes I know what mass hysteria is I’m extremely studied, as well I was giving an example and you know that. I was in no sssssssssssssss way implying this wassssss a choice through masssssssss hyssssteria.
What I’m purporting my old nemesssissssss and new acquaintance isssss that thisss isssn’t really a new idea. Hell a little paranoid fella named Hitler convinced his followers what he was doing was fine.(sorry about the ssss I spilled some syrup in the “S” key, pancakes were great, I mix in some vanilla and cinnamon in the mix, quite tasty I believe they chose this lifestyle and I think that’s fine. I believe over the years they have felt they were missing something (true recognition) wanting to have a family and be more traditional in a non-traditional setting. Hence the organization and the gene card. Not lying, SOLD! Tell me I’m something over and over and eventually I believe I am. Oh it works. You know what I’m saying but it’s too space ship to believe and we don’t want to go there right? Why do you think so many people are comparing gay to black? Is gay the NEW black? Not just the minorities part my friend; they’re asking that question because of the FIGHT. Why do you think I use some of the words and terms I use? The “GENE CARD” How absolutely brilliant. Ssssso, call me nutssss or just throw them at me.
You don’t buy my theory and I don’t buy theirs.

Yeah, but I explained why your theory is senseless (also, you're making me laugh) and you're not suitably explaining a *thing* about why you think *theirs* is no good.

I mean, you're repeatedly and *totally* ignoring the fact that these people are saying this *about themselves* and that millions of them are saying the same thing.

You stretch credibility and I don't buy it. There's a *REASON*, and you're not saying it on this board, you probably never will -- there's a *REASON* you want *NOT* to believe it's inborn.

There's a reason that *YOU*, personally,*won't be caught dead* believing it's inborn. For some reason you're not telling us, you *HAVE* to believe it's a choice. My guess?

The average reason: Then you can blame them for being who they are.

I privately wonder -- you needn't respond to this portion -- why I have such *great, sensible arguments* that point to the *probability* that the idea it's a choice is bullshit -- but you don't want to hear *any* of those arguments, and simply ignore them.

[rdg1234]

-yernogood wrote:

<quoted text>Pharmaceuticals – Again you missed the point.
Compromise – yagoon? Now don’t start stealing my lingo. I haven’t trademarked it yet so it wouldn’t really be stealing. Except for that application at my attorney’s office and the other copy locked in my safe.
Wish to be gay – Choose to be not wish.
Not sane – Most assuredly!
Fighting for lives – Wrong, fighting for special treatment like any minority does.
Cool – Warm
Ya staunch patriot – Aaaaarrrr I’s a pirate, wanna pet me parrot?
New Age – The older ya git, the older ya git.

You've got no arguments and you're not addressing a thing I said.

My points *most assuredly* stand when the closest you've come to addressing them is to *dodge* one of the central points by saying "choose to be not wish." But if I were you, I'd be more interested in the pancakes, too.

[rdg1234]

-yernogood wrote:

<quoted text>But my statement is true.

But I just proved it false. See, this is why you *CAN'T* have conversations on any of this except with JUDGES, SCHOLARS, PHILOSOPHERS, DOCTORS or PSYCHIATRISTS. Nobody else makes any sense.

I mean, here's you, pretending I *didn't* prove your argument false. I said, AGAIN, She.

Cannot. Marry.

The person. Of. Her choice.

So she's *not* equal.

The *artificial limitation* upon the "selective pool" by claiming EVERYONE has to marry someone of the opposite gender is equivalent to saying *YOU* would have to marry someone of the *SAME* gender. This is not rocket science; you're non-stupid, right? YOU WOULDN'T WANT to marry someone of the same gender and you WOULD FIND IT HORRIBLE, GROSS, IMMORAL and/or DISGUSTING.

Wow, sounds like what *she* would think of marrying someone of the opposite gender. Your existence proves her argument for her.

[Grandpasmurf952]

rdg1234 said "Wow, sounds like what *she* would think of marrying someone of the opposite gender. Your existence proves her argument for her. "

I think perhaps a problem that homophobes have is grasping the simple reality of human likes and dislikes.

We all have an innate feeling about certain things.

Like you said, gender differences are real and you would think it would be possible to get a homophobe to see why they feel revulsion.

It is the same sense of revulsion that a person who is gay would feel for going against the sexual orientation they were born with.

Looking back on childhood how many gay or straight thought the whole sex thing any way you looked at it was gross?

I remember getting beat up for explaining to another kid who was bigger than me how he was conceived.

The last words I remember him screaming before the lights went out were "My parents would never do anything that nasty!"

Just think if his viewpoint was made into law, the human race would die out (except for the lawbreakers of course :))

Perhaps if the homophobes would stop focusing on the sex act and focus on the LOVE that all couples feel for each other, both gay and straight, we could start building a nicer and more loving world.

Oysters gross a lot of people out. I love em!

Why is homosexuality being attacked while another levitican prohibition is being ignored?

Why are oyster lovers allowed to live?

According to the same laws thrown out from many pulpits to encourage homophobia not only is eating oysters a stoneable offense, refusal to participate in the stonings is also a stoneable offense.

We should all thing about this whenever we pass by another oyster bar without complying with the law as every good (insert your fundamentalist church name here) should.

[rdg1234]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

rdg1234 said "Wow, sounds like what *she* would think of marrying someone of the opposite gender. Your existence proves her argument for her. "
I think perhaps a problem that homophobes have is grasping the simple reality of human likes and dislikes.
We all have an innate feeling about certain things.
Like you said, gender differences are real and you would think it would be possible to get a homophobe to see why they feel revulsion.
It is the same sense of revulsion that a person who is gay would feel for going against the sexual orientation they were born with.
Looking back on childhood how many gay or straight thought the whole sex thing any way you looked at it was gross?
I remember getting beat up for explaining to another kid who was bigger than me how he was conceived.
The last words I remember him screaming before the lights went out were "My parents would never do anything that nasty!"
Just think if his viewpoint was made into law, the human race would die out (except for the lawbreakers of course :))
Perhaps if the homophobes would stop focusing on the sex act and focus on the LOVE that all couples feel for each other, both gay and straight, we could start building a nicer and more loving world.
Oysters gross a lot of people out. I love em!
Why is homosexuality being attacked while another levitican prohibition is being ignored?
Why are oyster lovers allowed to live?
According to the same laws thrown out from many pulpits to encourage homophobia not only is eating oysters a stoneable offense, refusal to participate in the stonings is also a stoneable offense.
We should all thing about this whenever we pass by another oyster bar without complying with the law as every good (insert your fundamentalist church name here) should.

This is why I feel like a lot of the posting here is *WORTHLESS* except for making an example of anti-gay attitudes.

Here's my take on this, and I am *viciously firm* about the following. It's *exactly* the paradigm that I have no patience for people ignoring. None.

If I'm talking to someone and they say "Well that is gross!" and I then say, "Well, then by logic, that would also be how *that* person would feel about *this* and so on" -- they can't recognize that *simple, kindergarten-simple* logic, I feel this sense of panic (not trying to be funny) like I'm talking to someone *mentally defective*.

I actually feel a panic inside, like I'm talking to someone *who has no ability to reason*.

What you said is exactly true; if people literally can't handle the simple, simple concept that *this is the same as that, but reversed*, so *how that person is feeling about that is how you feel about this*, I no longer *care about* talking to them; I just make an example of them to others and show how they're being *clinically senseless*.

Thank you for your post.

[Grandpasmurf952]

rdg1234 said "If I'm talking to someone and they say "Well that is gross!" and I then say, "Well, then by logic, that would also be how *that* person would feel about *this* and so on" -- they can't recognize that *simple, kindergarten-simple* logic, I feel this sense of panic (not trying to be funny) like I'm talking to someone *mentally defective*.

I actually feel a panic inside, like I'm talking to someone *who has no ability to reason*.

What you said is exactly true; if people literally can't handle the simple, simple concept that *this is the same as that, but reversed*, so *how that person is feeling about that is how you feel about this*, I no longer *care about* talking to them; I just make an example of them to others and show how they're being *clinically senseless*.

Thank you for your post. "

It appears that you are recognizing the insanity that presents itself as various religions and asks that we tolerate each one by pretending it is not insane :)

I have been studying this phenomenon, I call it the Patriarchal Religious Military Industrial Complex.

It is a danger to the well being of every organism on the planet.

Here is a simple method of safely dismantling this insane edifice:

http://grandpasmurf9520.wordpress.com/2009/07...