Petitioners to Mormons: Soften Gay Marriage Stance

A group of current and former Mormons at odds with the church's position on gay marriage and its political activism to ban it has launched a Web site asking the faith to soften its stance.

[Ridiculous]

The church will never change it's position on gay marriage. To reverse it's position would go against the very purpose of God to bring to pass the immortatlity and eternal life of all God's children. For any who haven't figured it out yet, the stance of the church is based upon principle, and purpose. According to church beliefs, to change direction would undermine the entire plan of salvation and go against God's purpose for his children and the first commandment ever given to mankind which was to multiply and replenish the earth.

[stoppushing]

you want LDS to change there belief! why don't you change yours? why don't you say sorry for affening with you being gay or better yet you belive in being gay and i belive in not heing gay and our lives go on.
this is american just because you want someone to except you does not make it so. everyone can beieve what they want without saying sorry if you don't like it to bad move on with your life and your beliefs.

[Quiet_Dave]

"Ridiculous" has got it right, it is a key principle of the restored gospel that we are in morality to receive a body, be tested in our obedience, and to develop the power or quality known as faith. You might as well ask that up be referred to as down, or black should be white.

[Jake]

Well just because there are a lot of Mormons here doesn't mean that everyone else who is not Mormon should be held up to the same standard. Gay marriage will not cause harm to our society. The LDS Church should stay out of political things. Didn't the LDS Church say they were politically neutral anyway?

[NoMo]

Quiet_Dave wrote:

"Ridiculous" has got it right, it is a key principle of the restored gospel that we are in morality to receive a body, be tested in our obedience, and to develop the power or quality known as faith. You might as well ask that up be referred to as down, or black should be white.

Yes he does have it right..the only way the LDS can soften its stance with the GLBT community is to have a REVELATION. Otherwise, it goes against their very foundation.

[Ridiculous]

Jake wrote:

Well just because there are a lot of Mormons here doesn't mean that everyone else who is not Mormon should be held up to the same standard. Gay marriage will not cause harm to our society. The LDS Church should stay out of political things. Didn't the LDS Church say they were politically neutral anyway?

Jake, you should visit the Chicago, Illinois Temple Visitor Center or the Nauvoo, Illinois Visitor Center. Even without necessarily believing in the LDS faith, you might begin to understand what LDS church members believe regarding marriage, and why they feel it is so important. You might also be able to speak and write more credibly about the issue once you have a solid understanding of the opposition's reasons for their opinions. I certainly understand that people struggle with same gender attraction and it is more than just a choice. However, just because someone has trials doesn't mean they should give into them. For example I don't believe that society should accept the practice of adultery just because someone has an overactive sex drive. Another example; I don't believe that society should accept that people commit violent acts just because they are wired from birth to have stronger violent tendencies than other people.

Also, I don't know how religious you are, but the Bible definitely shows that going against the commandments of God does not have a positive result on society.

[Sara]

The LDS church has the right to feel however they want to feel about gay marriage, but this is a civil rights issue, plain and simple. There is a separation between church and state in this country. As Americans gay people deserve the right to marry. If the LDS church chooses not to consider those marriages legit than that is their prerogative, but they should recognise that their stance deprives citizens of their right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is an unpatriotic one, like it or not. I truly believe that someday my great grandchildren will look upon this homophobia with the same disgust that my generation reserves for the people who tried to deprive women and black people of their right to vote. This is bigotry. If as a religious person you believe gay marriage is wrong than you have that right. You don't however have the right to be the American morality police and enforce your beliefs onto those who don't share your belief structure. I truly hope that someday the church will have a revelation and end this bigotry like they did with polygamy and black people holding the priesthood. Until that time their opinion belongs in a church house, not on capital hill.

[Mark]

These people sure love bumping their head against the wall don't they.

[Sarah]

They do have a right to be against gay marriage and gay beliefs, but they don't have a right to change the law because "they" don't believe in it. It's not up to the Mormons to decide what is right and wrong. I think if they have bad feelings toward gays, they should keep it to themselves. Religion should not have a right to make laws. I think the LDS church is ridiculous and should stay out of it. Just think if the LDS church was banned as a religion. How would you feel? It's just not right!

[John]

2 Timothy Chapter 3: 1-5

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
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Book Of Mormon
1st Nephi Chapter 8

[Ridiculous]

Sara wrote:

The LDS church has the right to feel however they want to feel about gay marriage, but this is a civil rights issue, plain and simple. There is a separation between church and state in this country. As Americans gay people deserve the right to marry. If the LDS church chooses not to consider those marriages legit than that is their prerogative, but they should recognise that their stance deprives citizens of their right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is an unpatriotic one, like it or not. I truly believe that someday my great grandchildren will look upon this homophobia with the same disgust that my generation reserves for the people who tried to deprive women and black people of their right to vote. This is bigotry. If as a religious person you believe gay marriage is wrong than you have that right. You don't however have the right to be the American morality police and enforce your beliefs onto those who don't share your belief structure. I truly hope that someday the church will have a revelation and end this bigotry like they did with polygamy and black people holding the priesthood. Until that time their opinion belongs in a church house, not on capital hill.

Sara, it's the "individual" members of the church and many other individuals that are acting on their beliefs to protect the insitution of marriage as between one man and one woman. You write as if the entire LDS church has the power to control all of its members beliefs. The LDS church encourages each member to act upon their own conscience, and like it or not, we have the result.

Admittedly,I think I'll judge this response, myself, as insenduary, as I am tired of the short-sidedness and inability of people to search for and discover the root cause of this issue. Apparently Sara, like the rest of society, is losing track of her moral compass and either has a loose or no moral code of conduct in which to live by. Hey Sarah, find something and live by it!

[Ridiculous]

Sarah wrote:

They do have a right to be against gay marriage and gay beliefs, but they don't have a right to change the law because "they" don't believe in it. It's not up to the Mormons to decide what is right and wrong. I think if they have bad feelings toward gays, they should keep it to themselves. Religion should not have a right to make laws. I think the LDS church is ridiculous and should stay out of it. Just think if the LDS church was banned as a religion. How would you feel? It's just not right!

Sounds like somebody is a sore loser!

[Sarah]

John wrote:

2 Timothy Chapter 3: 1-5
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
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Book Of Mormon
1st Nephi Chapter 8

The book of Mormon is NOT the bible. I don't follow false commandments!

[Sarah]

Ridiculous wrote:

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Sounds like somebody is a sore loser!

Not a sore loser, just strongly opinionated about the LDS church. and their "beliefs"

[John]

Well Sarah, I quoted the Bible first if you would read it all. And neither are commandments. They are revelations.

[OkieDarren]

There is nothing Godly or Christian about bigotry and homophobia. They violate the most basic principles of Christ's law.

[writewingproxyco ntin]

Ridiculous wrote:

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Sounds like somebody is a sore loser!

It's just getting underway. There will be other setbacks, but the trend in the developed West towards marriage equality is perfectly clear, Jethro.

[writewingproxyco ntin]

John wrote:

Well Sarah, I quoted the Bible first if you would read it all. And neither are commandments. They are revelations.

Has nothing to do with secular laws, Cletus. Keep your mind fck cult notions in your Churchcult where they belong, or we might start passing laws saying you can't marry whom you wish or serve openly in the armed forces or be protected from arbitrary firing.

Praiz!

[Quiet_Dave]

Sarah wrote:

They do have a right to be against gay marriage and gay beliefs, but they don't have a right to change the law because "they" don't believe in it. It's not up to the Mormons to decide what is right and wrong. I think if they have bad feelings toward gays, they should keep it to themselves. Religion should not have a right to make laws. I think the LDS church is ridiculous and should stay out of it. Just think if the LDS church was banned as a religion. How would you feel? It's just not right!

FIRST, the Mormons aren't trying to CHANGE the laws, they are trying to keep them UNCHANGED.
SECOND, it is not the "Church" as an institution doing anything, but individuals of the church voting their consciences. It is not the religion making laws but the citizens exercising their natural and legal rights that make laws.
If not citizens, who is to determine right and wrong?

[John]

"writewingproxyco ntin"
You are showing the proof of 2 Timothy,

And secondly, why are you even posting in this article? The article is about the religion that you are so opposed to. The people that want the church to "soften" it's stance on Gay marriage, want to be a part of this religion that you so hate. You are wasting your time Troll.