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The May 21, 2011 rapture prediction: Part 2

There are 165 comments on the Examiner.com story from Jul 26, 2010, titled The May 21, 2011 rapture prediction: Part 2. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

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Martha

United States

#21 Jul 28, 2010
As most former witnesses use the same rheteric in criticizing the Watchtower Organization, whatever they say is a lie.

Satan the Devil has his witnesses and when they come from Jehovah's people, he loves using them for his will now.

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#22 Jul 28, 2010
Martha wrote:
There is no use trying to explain anything to you, I have tried a few times already.
You want to believe that Jehovah's witnesses are false prophets, so go ahead and believe it.
False prophets are prophets who predict what God is going to do, Jehovah's witnesses have never done that. Jehovah's witnesses have given their understanding of prophecy based on Scripture, as what would happen according to Bible chronology.
Awake! 1962 September 22 p.27 'This Generation Will Not Pass'

[...] But what "generation" did Christ have in mind?

Was Jesus using the word "generation" in a symbolic way? No we should not say that the word "generation" here has a symbolic meaning and that it refers, for example, to persons of the spiritual body of Christ exclusively, or only to the true Christian organization itself

The word "generation" at Matthew 24:34 is to be viewed in an ordinary sense, as at Acts 13:36 and Mark 8:12. Acts 13:36 speaks of David's very own generation, a literal generation. The generation of persons living in Jesus' time, person who sought a sign, according to Mark 8:12, was a literal generation. That a symbolic application to a "generation" of wicked persons is not meant at Matthew 24:34 is apparent when we read the preceding verse: "Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors." It is the generation of persons who "see all these things" to whom Jesus refers in verse 34, irrespective of whether such persons are righteous or wicked. Since Jesus was foretelling conditions prevailing now at the world's time of the end, the generation now living is the one to which he pointed forward in his prophecy of the last days.

Bible prophecies indicate that Christ was installed as the King of God's heavenly kingdom in 1914. Without delay, the newly enthroned Potentate waged ware against the Devil and his demons, resulting in their ouster from the heavens.(Rev. 12:7-9) The "generation" of Matthew 24:34 includes persons alive at the time that the war in heaven began in 1914. All who were living or who came on the scene around that time are part of that generation. Members of that generation will see the end of this world.

It should be noted, however, that the world's end does not come after the end of that generation. It comes within that generation. Jesus himself said that the generation would not pass away "until all these things occur." "now learn from the fig tree as an illustration this point: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and it puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors." (Matt. 24:32, 33) The happenings that he foretold do not indicate that the end would come in the next generation; they are 'the sign of his presence' and of the impending end of the old world. The generation living in 1914, millions of whom are still alive on earth, will be living when the end comes at Armageddon.

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#23 Jul 28, 2010
Martha wrote:
There is no use trying to explain anything to you, I have tried a few times already.
You want to believe that Jehovah's witnesses are false prophets, so go ahead and believe it.
False prophets are prophets who predict what God is going to do, Jehovah's witnesses have never done that. Jehovah's witnesses have given their understanding of prophecy based on Scripture, as what would happen according to Bible chronology.
Awake! masthead from March 1988 until October 22 1995

Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#24 Jul 28, 2010
Martha wrote:
There is no use trying to explain anything to you, I have tried a few times already.
You want to believe that Jehovah's witnesses are false prophets, so go ahead and believe it.
False prophets are prophets who predict what God is going to do, Jehovah's witnesses have never done that. Jehovah's witnesses have given their understanding of prophecy based on Scripture, as what would happen according to Bible chronology.
Watchtower 1972 April 1 p.197 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'

This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#25 Jul 28, 2010
Martha wrote:
You are missing the point of understanding prophecy. The prophecy was fulfilled, it was trying to make what men believed fit it, and that did not happen.
The WTBS has always explained what was fulfilled and why what they believed didn't happen. First there was the Rapture, that teaching proved to be untrue. Then the literal presence of Jesus Christ, that was also proven untrue, Jesus will never be on this planet earth again. 1975 proved to be 6000 years from the creation of Adam, but not the end of this system.
I put my faith in God's word the Bible, and the teaching of Bible principles in application to my life. No other religion but Jehovah's witnesses have prove to be true prophets.
So, what have the said that came true?
Which one of their predictions has come to pass?
None. Because they are false.

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#26 Jul 28, 2010
Martha wrote:
As most former witnesses use the same rheteric in criticizing the Watchtower Organization, whatever they say is a lie.
Satan the Devil has his witnesses and when they come from Jehovah's people, he loves using them for his will now.
They have not blushed in connection with their bold promise as expressed back in a 1969 Awake! magazine: "If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the 'last days' in 1914, Jesus foretold:'This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers." (Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15) Ironically, many of the ones especially trusting in the Society's leadership and their promises are now suffering the most, finding themselves destitute. Contrary to their expectations, they have grown old in this present system of things and are now working at menial jobs way past their retirement age, not having prepared financially for their old age. But do not allow the failed promises of the self-professed "faithful slave" throw you off your spiritual balance! You can continue to have full confidence in Jehovah's promises, for they will never fail to come true, nor lead to disappointment, although appearing to delay.—Habakkuk 2:2-4.

Since: Feb 09

Zebulon, NC

#27 Jul 29, 2010
Martha wrote:
Jehovahs' witnesses are not false prophets, they are imperfect men, and their prophetic statements have proved to be imperfect. Bible prophecy is fulfilled in spite of mens teachings.
Jehovah's witnesses who put faith in men and their teachings of the Bible are responsible for their own consequences. The majority of Jehovah's witnesses put their faith in God's word and live in harmony with direction from GB of imperfect men.
Not all Jehovah's witnesses believed the end of this world was going to happen in 1975, only the ones who lived for that date, and spent their money and made sacrifices to be viewed by men did.
But it was that Governing Body that you put so much trust in that first mentioned anything about dates like 1914, 1925 and 1975. The Governing Body is guilty, not the rank and file JW.

You need to put the blame on the right people and stop faulting the guiltless but deceived ones.

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#28 Jul 29, 2010
CIA Free wrote:
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But it was that Governing Body that you put so much trust in that first mentioned anything about dates like 1914, 1925 and 1975. The Governing Body is guilty, not the rank and file JW.
You need to put the blame on the right people and stop faulting the guiltless but deceived ones.
Absolutely correct!

The JW arguments sound like the Stockholm Syndrome.
Prime

United States

#29 Jul 29, 2010
Martha wrote:
As most former witnesses use the same rheteric in criticizing the Watchtower Organization, whatever they say is a lie.
Satan the Devil has his witnesses and when they come from Jehovah's people, he loves using them for his will now.
Hi Carol you've been spending alot of time on here lately has both martha and mary! Are you out of the doghouse now?

“ Harm None Do What Ye Will”

Since: Jun 08

here

#30 Jul 29, 2010
Nedoba wrote:
Hello Wykkan! Nice to see you back here again!
hey nedoba,i've been busy with lots of over time at work and trying to 'explain' things to some rednecks on my hometown forum.that's more exhausting than here! lolol hope things are great with you.
bobby stecko

Dundalk, MD

#31 Jul 29, 2010
Martha wrote:
Jehovahs' witnesses are not false prophets, they are imperfect men, and their prophetic statements have proved to be imperfect. Bible prophecy is fulfilled in spite of mens teachings.
Jehovah's witnesses who put faith in men and their teachings of the Bible are responsible for their own consequences. The majority of Jehovah's witnesses put their faith in God's word and live in harmony with direction from GB of imperfect men.
Not all Jehovah's witnesses believed the end of this world was going to happen in 1975, only the ones who lived for that date, and spent their money and made sacrifices to be viewed by men did.
if you vollow of imperfect man doctrines you follow man made mistaken doctrines and man predictions which have nothing to do with pure water essence of HOLY BIBLE,majority of JW put their faith not in God Word, because teachings of Watchtower isdoctrines of imperfect man
saing that people put faith in God in imperfect man is blasphemy,becuse puting trust in imperfect man made salvation is no salvation at all,faith of average man has to be put in infaliable GODS WORD BIBLE AND SUPERNATURAL POWER OF HOLY SPIRIT CONTROLED WHOLE UNIVERSE AND EACH MAN CREATED IN HIS IMIGE.
all churches and organisations included JW those dearly people misleaded and belonging only to special one Father,Father od all lies,deceiver 2Thess 2;3-11, 2Cor 11;13-15. my e-mail, [email protected]

I chalenge each sincerely member of JW,from Holy Word Bible I am able to proof falsehood of this man made organisation
bobby stecko

Dundalk, MD

#32 Jul 29, 2010
time 5/21/2011 is with 99,9% true because is based on biblical and siencitifical research time of Creation,time history of earth is 13000 years not 7000,all prophecies and organisation of JW are based on false pattern time of 7000 years theory of Bishop Ushher 16 century,this time is to be 100%proofed as false,on this base JW PREDICTED 2 comming of Christ and each prediction failed and will fail,it does,nt mean that JW were false prophets at this point because whole fundament they builded on this false chronology and fail.
13000 years is without of mistake and according this time church ages past away,on base of this time flood of Noah was 17day of 2 month 4990 BC,our calendar is 21/05/ and 7000 years pass away 21/05/2011,from this point look like is 21/05 second comming of Christ according to 2 Peter 3;7-8. if somebody say that this time come like thief at night is wrong because this time come like thief at night for those who are spiritual sleep and not believers read Ecless 8;5-6.

for more information write [email protected]

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#33 Jul 29, 2010
Martha wrote:
There is no use trying to explain anything to you, I have tried a few times already.
You want to believe that Jehovah's witnesses are false prophets, so go ahead and believe it.
False prophets are prophets who predict what God is going to do, Jehovah's witnesses have never done that. Jehovah's witnesses have given their understanding of prophecy based on Scripture, as what would happen according to Bible chronology.
Quite the contrary. Read Mark 13:32 and please tell me what about that scripture the GB doesn't understand. Why are they so arrogant to presume they know when the end will come? Keeping on the watch does not warrant imaginative predictions that do not originate in scripture.

We go through this all the time with JWs. There are numerous quotes that put the WT predictions beyond the realm of chance. They have called their calculations to be of God. They even claimed we have more assurance in their word than those of Noahs time when he warned of the flood. It goes on and none. None of the JW predictions have come to pass; a 100% failure rate as prophets. What confidence can any Christian have in them?

You'll soon have to realize that their interpretations are just opinions. JWs and their leaders hold no special powers of insight to the scriptures; no more than any other eager bible student.
Anonymous2100

Richards, TX

#34 Jul 29, 2010
In reality, we can use 1947 to date all events in the Bible via the jubilee cycle. In that case, the Exodus occurs in 1386 BCE and thus 1975 is 127 years too early. The true end of 6000 years of man's creation would thus be dated to 2102 AD.

However, it is not likely Eve was created while Adam was just a psychological 1-year old. Even now proper individual development to adulthood takes 20-30 years. If we presume, therefore, Eve was created when Adam was 30 years of age, the age Jesus became an exchange for Adam, then we have to add 29 years to 2102 to get to a more realistic time for Eve's creation and the presumed end of the 6th Creative Day.

2102 + 29 = 2131 AD.

Thus 2131 AD would be the presumed last potential year before the last 1000 years of the millennium. However, if we follow the Bible, it appears the millennium is not the absolute last 1000 years of the 7th Creative Day. Instead, after the millennium, Satan is let loose for a "short while" and following that the second recurrection during Judgment Day takes place. It is then, after all that that Christ turns everything back over to Jehovah in its right state at which point it is said God then makes "all things new", signaling the beginning of the 8th Creative Day.

Thus there is a strong presumption the 1000-year rule has been moved up slightly during the 7th Creative Day to allow for Satan's final test and Judgment Day. In that case, we would not expect the millennium to begin in 2131 but sometime earlier. If we allow 100 years for Judgment Day and say 20 years for Satan's last test, a period of 120 years, then we would expect Armageddon to occur close to 2011 AD.

2131 - 120 = 2011 AD

So May 21, 2011 is a great year for Armageddon or the Millennium.

But keep in mind, Babylon the Great must be destroed first, the 4th beast, and then the remaining nations are given life for 15 months.

Another "date of interest" therefore, if December 21, 2012, the date of the winter solstice that has had many people concerned.

The casual "observation" here is that May 11, 2011 allows for enough time, that is, 15 months, if December 21, 2012 will be a significant date. That is, Babylon the Great can be destroyed as late as May 21, 2011 and Armageddon can start 15 months later around August 21, 2012. That still leves about 3 months for Armageddon to occur and time for the official millennium to be inaurgated appropriately on December 21, 2012.

However, the RAPTURE, doesn't occur until the beginning of the 8th Creative Day, which is after the millennium and after Satan is killed and after Judgment Day. So May 21, 2011 might be a significant trigger event for the second "great tribulation" which will last 15 months, then Armageddon and then the millennium. But it won't be the time any saints will be going to heaven. The rapture occurs after the second recurrection and Judgment Day is completely over.

The "new creation" of converting the elect to special angels appears to be the first new creation of the 8th Creative Day.
Wake-up

Philadelphia, PA

#35 Jul 29, 2010
judgment day is less than 10 months away, 5/21/2011:

&fe ature=related

“ Harm None Do What Ye Will”

Since: Jun 08

here

#36 Jul 29, 2010
are you serious?? youtube?? there are also videos on youtube and websites that can prove that 12-21-12 is real as well.so which one is it?? 5-21-11 or 12-21-12??

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#37 Jul 29, 2010
Judgment day is every day. To sin is to miss the mark. To grow is to judge the sin, make the necessary adjustments and attain the mark.

This is a personal matter that is ongoing between each individual and GOD.

OF course if a person worships a fragmented god in a fear based religion the denial of a personal dynamic relationship with GOD prevents any growth and the sin festers as the person waits for judgment day.

This is what Jesus warned us about concerning the blind leading the blind.

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#38 Jul 29, 2010
With regard to us humans, our 'appointed time is always present.'

At any given moment, we are just a single heartbeat away from finding ourselves standing before the judgment seat of Jesus Christ.

Forget about all those dates that people fix for the end of the world. Any date that a man picks, is the wrong one. You can count on it.

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#39 Jul 29, 2010
If there was a such thing as a rapture of many Christians all at one time, it happened in the first century.

Jesus said he would send his angels to gather his chosen ones from all parts of the earth and the apostle Paul said that the Christians that were alive at that time would be taken.

Need scriptures?
Anonymous2100

Richards, TX

#40 Jul 30, 2010
CIA Free wrote:
Forget about all those dates that people fix for the end of the world. Any date that a man picks, is the wrong one. You can count on it.
1947 is linked to 455 BCE.

The Holocaust between 1940-1947 must fulfill the 62 weeks "cut off"

The appearance of the messiah in 1992 along with the "sign of the son of man" were both fulfilled.

So you are wrong about certain dates in the Bible turning out wrong, though it depends on having the right date how much success there is.

Anon

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