Bratton clarifies discipline action

Bratton clarifies discipline action

There are 152 comments on the Corsicana Daily Sun story from Mar 23, 2011, titled Bratton clarifies discipline action. In it, Corsicana Daily Sun reports that:

Corsicana - Police Chief Randy Bratton said the officers suspended for cheating on their on-line certification tests may not have asked the clerk to take their tests for them, although they did give her their passwords, and allowed the false course certificates to be submitted as valid, and didn't report that the clerk had taken the tests on their ...

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Mr Wisdom

Fort Worth, TX

#1 Mar 23, 2011
BS, BS!
They didn't know...
Yeah right!
Mr Wisdom

Fort Worth, TX

#2 Mar 23, 2011
"In the investigation conducted by Asst. Chief Ladena Baggett there was no evidence that the officers asked Grimes to cheat for them, but at the same time, they did accept it and allowed it to happen."

they did accept it and allowed it to happen... but they didn't cheat...

Could someone explain me the difference?
I'm to dumb to comprehend the disparity…
Thanks!
FWGirl

Dallas, TX

#3 Mar 23, 2011
I don't get it either. We must be desperate for officers.
Mr Wisdom

Fort Worth, TX

#4 Mar 23, 2011
There are plenty of people trying to work for the police department believe me…
It’s all about keeping the “old ones”(they don’t like change in this town)…
FWGirl

Dallas, TX

#5 Mar 24, 2011
Oh, so this wasn't new officers but some sort of "continuing education" type of thing for existing officers? All I know is that if you're a cheater, you're a cheater and that's not good mixed w/ a position of authority. And if they didn't know she was taking the tests for them why on earth would they give her their passwords or whatever?
Mr Wisdom

Fort Worth, TX

#6 Mar 25, 2011
Yes, these guys probably have been in the force for more than 10 years.
Remember “the “old boys” are good people, they don’t cheat, they make mistakes, they are good Christians…
They just make sure things always work their way…
From the NCT

Dallas, TX

#7 Mar 25, 2011
Get over yourself

Corsicana, TX

#8 Mar 27, 2011
The only mistake these officers made was for working for CPD where adequalty training our officers is a not a priority. hHere is WAY more to this story than city hall wants you to know. I guess they should have ratted out the records clerk, oh wait, no then you would still post uninformed judgemental comments!
Veritas

Corsicana, TX

#9 Mar 27, 2011
Harsh comments from Mr. "Wisdom." Much more to this situation than what meets the eye. May help to distinguish what is actually involved, to what extent, and the overall records of these officers in light of this incident. Also, who is the appropriate person(s) to investigate this and what action, if any should have followed? I think that wisdom should also make room for knowledge and truth .. just maybe.
FWGirl

Dallas, TX

#10 Mar 27, 2011
Personally, I would like to understand the situation better. If either of you have any light to shed on it, please do. I've not met any officers here. One did stop by when we first bought the place and told my husband that there'd been a few thefts while it was vacant and that they were keeping an eye on it. Which was appreciated greatly! So my only experience (secondhand) was a pleasant one. The CDS article was very confusing and vague.
Get over yourself

Corsicana, TX

#11 Mar 27, 2011
Well if you noticed the CDS new releases contradicted and changed four times. The first news release stated that the information was released by Chief Bratton; the second release stated that no, it was reeased by the civil service; the third article stated that the officers asked the records clerk to take the test for them;the fourth news release stated no, the officers did not ask her to do so. So which is the truth? The thing that they failed to do was rat out someone who was honestly just trying to help. The fact that the press releases fail to mention is that the tests involed are aimed at dispatchers, not patrol officers. With everything and everyone these guys encounter on the streets and the politics of the inner workings of the police department I commend them for a job well done!
FWGirl

Dallas, TX

#12 Mar 28, 2011
A dispatcher's job is a vital one and they should be able to pass whatever tests are required on their own but I do feel better if we're not talking about patrol officers. We have to hold them to a higher standard and they have to have the trust of the citizens in order to really do their jobs effectively. I'm a law abiding citizen and don't even speed on the hwy but still, when I pass a police officer on the road, I tense up. That's not their fault, just human nature or my nature at least so I really need to know that those guys are both well trained and honest. I hate reading "dirty cop" type stories. I know there are good and bad folks in every profession, just like to think there are more good than bad when the position is one of authority. Thanks for the clarification.
Mr Wisdom

Fort Worth, TX

#13 Mar 28, 2011
FWGirl wrote:
A dispatcher's job is a vital one and they should be able to pass whatever tests are required on their own but I do feel better if we're not talking about patrol officers. We have to hold them to a higher standard and they have to have the trust of the citizens in order to really do their jobs effectively. I'm a law abiding citizen and don't even speed on the hwy but still, when I pass a police officer on the road, I tense up. That's not their fault, just human nature or my nature at least so I really need to know that those guys are both well trained and honest. I hate reading "dirty cop" type stories. I know there are good and bad folks in every profession, just like to think there are more good than bad when the position is one of authority. Thanks for the clarification.
Funny thing!
Now you are apologizing…
Do you realize that the people writing these comments probably work for the city?
Facts are facts.
Mr Wisdom

Fort Worth, TX

#14 Mar 28, 2011
FWGirl wrote:
A dispatcher's job is a vital one and they should be able to pass whatever tests are required on their own but I do feel better if we're not talking about patrol officers. We have to hold them to a higher standard and they have to have the trust of the citizens in order to really do their jobs effectively. I'm a law abiding citizen and don't even speed on the hwy but still, when I pass a police officer on the road, I tense up. That's not their fault, just human nature or my nature at least so I really need to know that those guys are both well trained and honest. I hate reading "dirty cop" type stories. I know there are good and bad folks in every profession, just like to think there are more good than bad when the position is one of authority. Thanks for the clarification.
They are patrol officers.
Mr Wisdom

Fort Worth, TX

#15 Mar 28, 2011
Get over yourself wrote:
Well if you noticed the CDS new releases contradicted and changed four times. The first news release stated that the information was released by Chief Bratton; the second release stated that no, it was reeased by the civil service; the third article stated that the officers asked the records clerk to take the test for them;the fourth news release stated no, the officers did not ask her to do so. So which is the truth? The thing that they failed to do was rat out someone who was honestly just trying to help. The fact that the press releases fail to mention is that the tests involed are aimed at dispatchers, not patrol officers. With everything and everyone these guys encounter on the streets and the politics of the inner workings of the police department I commend them for a job well done!
So what you are saying is that CDS lies. When they have the story wrong they usually clarify the facts.
Why haven’t they rectified the story?
get over yourself

Rowlett, TX

#16 Mar 28, 2011
I do not work for the city. I just have enough intelligence to ask questions instead of taking for granted what those in power say. If you read my statement I am not saying that the cds lies just pointed out discrepancies in cpd newsreleases.
FWGirl

Dallas, TX

#17 Mar 28, 2011
I'm not apologizing. If the dispatchers cheated, they're cheaters. That stands. I do think that the newspaper reporters (who I think probably read this forum at times) should be more responsible w/ their reporting. We need for THEM to tell us whether or not these were officers or dispatchers. Many people distrust the police and want any excuse to justify their position. And I think many people feel the same way I do so it's important for whoever is writing these articles to do their research (their job) and let us know what positions are doing the cheating. THAT is the subtle point of my post. If it was dispatchers, I still feel better, even though it is vital that they know how to do their jobs. But they aren't toting around guns nor do they have the right to detain people and toss them in the pokey. No one on this forum AFAIK has the full story here because neither newspaper have chosen to tell the full story. You would be included in that number. You don't know, you are assuming. And you are free to do so as long as the people paid to do the research are not doing it. So, CDS, lets hear what positions these folks held, please!
get over yourself

Rowlett, TX

#18 Mar 28, 2011
From what I know it was officers but the test is not geared for officers. I agree that dispatches are irreplaceable and without them the department would be in a world of hurt!
FWGirl

Dallas, TX

#19 Mar 28, 2011
get over yourself wrote:
From what I know it was officers but the test is not geared for officers. I agree that dispatches are irreplaceable and without them the department would be in a world of hurt!
I did a little research and generally, dispatchers are not officers but specially trained civilians. So since the article calls them officers, it seems that would mean patrol officers. So that would cast a bad light regardless of the emphasis of the testing. It's part of their job requirement and even if it seems unimportant to them (like algebra was to me in HS), they should have studied and taken the test. Also, I would be very uncomfortable giving a password to anyone. What if they had a grudge against you and failed on purpose? Any rate, the police know that many people are intimidated by them already and should not do anything to make people trust them any less.
get over yourself

Rowlett, TX

#20 Mar 28, 2011
Fwgirl I agree with you on all your points, but ltestake into considerations that yes this test is like high school algebra. I believewhole heartedly that non of these officers or the clerk involved meant any harm and let's remember that although they are officers they are also human!

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