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Mr Wisdom

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#21
Dec 10, 2011
 
@ FWGirl: you are saying that the city leaders don’t have anything to do with the development of this town. You are wrong. So what the fk are they doing? What are they getting paid for?

@JGK: The city leaders have to do whatever is necessary to improve the local economy. Why are they getting pay 100k plus then for?
Mr Wisdom

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#22
Dec 10, 2011
 
This is why this town doesn’t change. Let the citizens do the changes. Ok good, but then when this parasites are elected put them to work, whatever it takes to improve this town. If not they do not deserve the paychecks “we the people” pay them…
FWGirl

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Dec 10, 2011
 

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They definitely have something (A LOT)to do with it. But remember, we just got a new mayor and council people. I'm willing to reserve judgement and give them some time to formulate a plan. Hopefully, they will. And maybe, they'll fire a few folks if they realize they aren't doing their jobs. And yes, I do believe that they are overpaid since they don't seem to have brought any new industry to town at least since I've been paying attention. It's like the CEO's getting huge bonuses whilst bankrupting corporations. I am out of the city limits so at least I'm not paying for ineptitude. I feel bad for those who are and I understand your frustration. Rome wasn't built in a day though and Corsicana didn't get this bad in a day either.
layed back and off

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#24
Dec 11, 2011
 
well jon kitchens are you just a plumber
FWGirl

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#25
Dec 11, 2011
 
Don't tell MW, LBAO but I am the city manager, secretly masquerading as an outsider. Oh wait, the city manager IS an outsider! Now it all makes sense. ;o)
annm

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#26
Dec 19, 2011
 
My understanding as to why the bars were not allowed was due to concern from the then Police Chief about illegal activities coming from those bars downtown. I understand, that an event was planned without getting the proper permit and that was impetus for not allowing the two bars that had applied. The Jim V. thing I heard him tell me and about 25 others at a meeting what happened. It was related that after getting the proper building permits, it was not allowed an occupancy permit because the CM did not want the comedy club in "her" historic downtown. The problem I interpreted from his conversation and many others who have issues with the CM that the CM will do whatever is necessary to get what she wants and who does hot want in this town thus the typical stopping progress to the City. I was at a meeting with a former city councilman and a prior restaurant owner in the Downtown meeting. The councilman was given the State Law, and the CM was making her own rules which violated state law. I went to the workshop that evening, and the council told CM to get the restaurant opened even over her objections.
Mr Wisdom

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Dec 20, 2011
 
annm wrote:
My understanding as to why the bars were not allowed was due to concern from the then Police Chief about illegal activities coming from those bars downtown. I understand, that an event was planned without getting the proper permit and that was impetus for not allowing the two bars that had applied. The Jim V. thing I heard him tell me and about 25 others at a meeting what happened. It was related that after getting the proper building permits, it was not allowed an occupancy permit because the CM did not want the comedy club in "her" historic downtown. The problem I interpreted from his conversation and many others who have issues with the CM that the CM will do whatever is necessary to get what she wants and who does hot want in this town thus the typical stopping progress to the City. I was at a meeting with a former city councilman and a prior restaurant owner in the Downtown meeting. The councilman was given the State Law, and the CM was making her own rules which violated state law. I went to the workshop that evening, and the council told CM to get the restaurant opened even over her objections.
Could you please be more specific, first you said they had illegal activities in the bars then that that’s why they don’t allow them to open. We don’t have bars in downtown.
So, how are they assume they were going to have illegal activities?
Mr Wisdom

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Dec 20, 2011
 
"The councilman was given the State Law, and the CM was making her own rules which violated state law. I went to the workshop that evening, and the council told CM to get the restaurant opened even over her objections."

That’s really bad!
So she decides who can do business in town…
Mr Wisdom

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#29
Dec 20, 2011
 
annm wrote:
My understanding as to why the bars were not allowed was due to concern from the then Police Chief about illegal activities coming from those bars downtown. I understand, that an event was planned without getting the proper permit and that was impetus for not allowing the two bars that had applied. The Jim V. thing I heard him tell me and about 25 others at a meeting what happened. It was related that after getting the proper building permits, it was not allowed an occupancy permit because the CM did not want the comedy club in "her" historic downtown. The problem I interpreted from his conversation and many others who have issues with the CM that the CM will do whatever is necessary to get what she wants and who does hot want in this town thus the typical stopping progress to the City. I was at a meeting with a former city councilman and a prior restaurant owner in the Downtown meeting. The councilman was given the State Law, and the CM was making her own rules which violated state law. I went to the workshop that evening, and the council told CM to get the restaurant opened even over her objections.
In order to open a bar you need a background check and a bond. Not everyone can apply and get a liquor license. So you are saying that these people are not allowing investors to open just base on assumptions…
Isn’t that against the law (selective enforcement)?
Mr Wisdom

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#30
Dec 20, 2011
 
FWGirl wrote:
I truly think that the downtown area here and in other small cities has suffered mostly from big box stores and population decline. And I agree with him that to a certain extent, negative things expressed about the town may indeed keep people from coming here. But this situation has been going on for a long time. Kinda like the economic crisis in this country and around the world. He probably has the best of intentions as Mayor but is limited in what he can do to turn this boat around. Ennis does well partly because it's half the distance to Dallas that Corsicana is so it's a 'bedroom community' or suburb of sorts. We can't change that. I think a loop to relieve congestion on HWY 31 would be a positive start but that is the state's decision and budgetary concern. If we, as a community, would think on a more local basis and support local business, that would be a start but would a decent number of folks pay a little more for something at MW's shoe store or FWGirl's boutique instead of heading to Payless or Walmart? Probably not. Add Amazon to the equation and online shopping in general and there you have it. Now, if the Euro fails completely, it's gonna sucker punch China big time and they won't be able to supply things so cheaply for much longer. Then maybe we'll see industry return. I just hope Corsicana is ready to suck up to whatever industries do come back to the US. FW has seen several industries locate there just in the last year. But FW is a desirable city to live in/near. Corsicana? Not so much, unless you're me. But Corsicana has a population hungry for decent paying jobs for now so perhaps that will save us. Hell, I dunno but I can't lay all of the blame on the elected officials and 'bible bangers'. The situation is a lot more complex than all that.
I actually disagree, in other cities with better ideas (better leaders) have used their old downtowns to bring entertainment (bars, restaurants, comedy clubs, lofts, etc.), example “Grapevine”(excellent place to have fun).
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Dec 20, 2011
 

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I wouldn't say we disagree so much as I, too, think repurposing those old buildings is key to rejuvenating this town. If officials harassed that man who had the steakhouse out of business then that is definitely something that requires major changes in enforcement around here. It has to be consistent and applied across the board or not applied at all. Grapevine has one thing that we don't which is its proximity to FW and Dallas. It's kinda in the middle of everything and close enough to Southlake and other insanely affluent areas so it has a large, built in base for customers. That said, we're close enough to Dallas and on the way to Houston and between Waco and the Tyler area so we could attract tourists if we presented ourselves in a better light and had some 'must go to' type businesses. If they converted even 1/4 of the vacant places downtown into living spaces, just about any kind of business down there would be a good bet. It's built in clientele. Corsicana should look at the Fairmount area in Fort Worth and Oak Cliff's Bishop Arts district and new Tyler Davis district as examples of good planning in Dallas. Of course, all of the businesses thriving there are mom and pop type places, not chains and they are wildly successful. A friend moved his business into the Tyler Davis area recently and went from treading water to being so covered up in work that he can hardly keep up. We need to keep our money here and not send it to DFW. Problem is, there aren't many places here offering anything I care to pay for. And needed businesses are run off by rules and favoritism, it would seem.
randyh

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#33
Feb 27, 2012
 
look at waco texas how they are growing until city hall realizes they cant control every thing things will change until then im takeing my money out of town.

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