An old, boring town, Corsicana.

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Pete

San Marcos, TX

#1 Jun 8, 2011
What a horrible boring town! Went to visit, a waste of time and money. This is a town with a couple of red-neck restaurants. Apparently the city don’t allow clubs or bars but you are allowed to get drunk at the movie theater. Went to the famous bakery, really bad experience, expensive and not good, Wal-mart bakery has better flavor for a fifth of the price. Don’t visit this town, don’t waste your money. This town is perfect for old dying tasteless folks…
Sheesh

Corsicana, TX

#2 Jun 9, 2011
Hey, wait a minute! We have SEVERAL redneck restaurants. Lol.
Mr Wisdom

Bedford, TX

#3 Jun 11, 2011
The reason is because the people running the city want to keep it that way,“old and boring”…
Sorry Mr. Pete…
If you read the postings in these forums you will see how the council and the heads of this town have denied permits in the downtown area. This is an administration that is against small business owners. Only favors big business (big money).
corsicana 1943

Corsicana, TX

#4 Dec 7, 2011
I do not have a grudge but I have held back because I didn't want to hurt feelings but, the gentlemen is right. Boring city and Colin street not only cannot compete with any bakery (right now) due to weak or bad taste, the prices are ridiculous. A sack of anything from Walmart is better. SAD day.
After some research, the hoops that a small business person must jump through to open and operate a business in the downtown area is impossible.
As I see where more and more business are leaving I wonder when someone in power will pull out all the stops to reverse this? After seeing years of advanced growth in Ennis we have placed our real estate up for sale and are moving 25 miles north where common sense prevails.
So-long old town. I will miss you. But then, you died 10 years ago and I just stuck it out too long.
Mr Wisdom

United States

#5 Dec 7, 2011
corsicana 1943 wrote:
I do not have a grudge but I have held back because I didn't want to hurt feelings but, the gentlemen is right. Boring city and Colin street not only cannot compete with any bakery (right now) due to weak or bad taste, the prices are ridiculous. A sack of anything from Walmart is better. SAD day.
After some research, the hoops that a small business person must jump through to open and operate a business in the downtown area is impossible.
As I see where more and more business are leaving I wonder when someone in power will pull out all the stops to reverse this? After seeing years of advanced growth in Ennis we have placed our real estate up for sale and are moving 25 miles north where common sense prevails.
So-long old town. I will miss you. But then, you died 10 years ago and I just stuck it out too long.
That’s a good move. We are investors and are planning to move our money to another city. We tried and got tired of being bullied by the city (old boys). The city refuses to change City manager, city attorney and heads of departments that are running the city to the toilet. These people have been draining the resources of this town (for decades) and running deficits, at the end the “taxpayer” will have to pay for that. The town keeps losing money and is only left with low paying jobs.
Whoever is in charge of tourism and city development has all this crazy ideas of how to improve the downtown area instead of letting investors, customers, demand and offer decide what to do with their money. They have failed over and over again and still they don’t do the necessary changes.
What can you do?

JGK

Since: Dec 08

corsicana

#6 Dec 8, 2011
according to the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission Corsicana has 13 active Bars and 3 active Private Clubs that have full licenses to serve liquor. There are other permits out in the County as well.
Mr Wisdom

United States

#7 Dec 9, 2011
JGK wrote:
according to the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission Corsicana has 13 active Bars and 3 active Private Clubs that have full licenses to serve liquor. There are other permits out in the County as well.
Where are the bars?
Mr Wisdom

United States

#8 Dec 9, 2011
corsicana 1943 wrote:
I do not have a grudge but I have held back because I didn't want to hurt feelings but, the gentlemen is right. Boring city and Colin street not only cannot compete with any bakery (right now) due to weak or bad taste, the prices are ridiculous. A sack of anything from Walmart is better. SAD day.
After some research, the hoops that a small business person must jump through to open and operate a business in the downtown area is impossible.
As I see where more and more business are leaving I wonder when someone in power will pull out all the stops to reverse this? After seeing years of advanced growth in Ennis we have placed our real estate up for sale and are moving 25 miles north where common sense prevails.
So-long old town. I will miss you. But then, you died 10 years ago and I just stuck it out too long.
This is a town that believes that we are still in the 1920s (prohibition era), anything related to adult entertainment or alcohol is demonized.

JGK

Since: Dec 08

corsicana

#9 Dec 9, 2011
Mr Wisdom wrote:
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Where are the bars?
You either do not live here or drive around with blinders on.

You can look up the addresses here:

http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/

JGK

Since: Dec 08

corsicana

#10 Dec 9, 2011
This may answer your next question.

The Secretary of State has oversight over local option elections. For questions about specific election procedures, please contact the Secretary of State's Office, or visit the Secretary of State's website.
Mr Wisdom

United States

#11 Dec 9, 2011
JGK wrote:
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You either do not live here or drive around with blinders on.
You can look up the addresses here:
http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/
As we all know by now (you are a city official) even though you continually deny it maybe you could tell us why the city have denied permits in the “downtown area” for private clubs then…
Jimmy Hale had a great idea about his place (comedy club) and you guys denied his permit, why?
Mr Wisdom

United States

#12 Dec 9, 2011
JGK wrote:
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You either do not live here or drive around with blinders on.
You can look up the addresses here:
http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/
Something tells me that you are either the City Attorney, City Manager or the Economic Development Director…
Mr Wisdom

United States

#13 Dec 9, 2011
Typo:
The name is Jimmy Vaclavik.

http://corsicanadailysun.com/local/x212391213...
Mr Wisdom

United States

#14 Dec 9, 2011
Jimmy Vaclavik opened his first business in Corsicana in 1980, and he first moved to Navarro County in 1968, so he refers to himself as a “local.”

However, when he tried to open Fat Daddy’s as a comedy club serving alcohol at 110 E. Fifth Ave., downtown, he was turned down for a Special Use Permit, and told clubs couldn’t go downtown.

“This was right before Rick got his saloon,” Vaclavik said.“And I’m told Roy’s wants to open a sports bar. How come these people can and they won’t let me?”

Vaclavik believes it’s selective enforcement that benefits some businesses and owners at the expense of others. He claims to have spent $80,000 fixing up his facility, money he wouldn’t have spent if he’d known before he couldn’t open his business.

His vision for Fat Daddy’s is to attract people from other communities to come in and make a night of it in downtown, having dinner at the local restaurants followed by two hours of comedy. He believes he can attract 200 people a weekend to downtown Corsicana.

He’s read the new dance hall/social club ordinance, and he’s very concerned about the clause that calls for revoking a license if the hall violates “decency.”

“They’re constantly going to hound you,” Vaclavik said.“They’re just making it so hard. They don’t want any kind of entertainment that involves alcohol.”

He intends to finish the front of the building, and then try once more for his SUP. If he doesn’t get it, he’s going to sell out or board up the refurbished club and leave Corsicana.

“A businessman can’t make a living here,” he said.

http://corsicanadailysun.com/local/x212391213...
FWGirl

Dallas, TX

#15 Dec 9, 2011
MW is talking free standing, non RR related establishments, I think. VFW and Longbranch are the only 2 I can think of. I don't really care if bars aren't allowed w/o food as long as I can have a margarita or a glass of wine with dinner. I still question how many 'bars' this community could support. It seems that Roy's has been hurting since the Remington opened. Maybe they were already hurting from the economy but I only started hearing they were in trouble in the last 6 months or so.

Now, I do think the city would benefit greatly if they would allow liquor stores. There's a whole lot of sin tax collected on liquor and that would help fill the city's coffers a bit, rather than giving it all to Rice and Ennis. And I still think that we need more variety when it comes to RR's. We've pretty much stopped eating out b/c we're tired of Tex-Mex and CFS. Why can't a Cajun place or a real Seafood place come in here? A decent deli with quality meats and cheeses and some gourmet items you can't get at HEB or Walmart? It would also be nice to have more retail options. But, once again, we're losing population so why would Target or JC Penney want to take a chance here? I don't know what the downtown solution is but you could fill it with bars and you'd see most of them go under in no time, IMHO.
City Insider

United States

#16 Dec 9, 2011
FWGirl wrote:
MW is talking free standing, non RR related establishments, I think. VFW and Longbranch are the only 2 I can think of. I don't really care if bars aren't allowed w/o food as long as I can have a margarita or a glass of wine with dinner. I still question how many 'bars' this community could support. It seems that Roy's has been hurting since the Remington opened. Maybe they were already hurting from the economy but I only started hearing they were in trouble in the last 6 months or so.
Now, I do think the city would benefit greatly if they would allow liquor stores. There's a whole lot of sin tax collected on liquor and that would help fill the city's coffers a bit, rather than giving it all to Rice and Ennis. And I still think that we need more variety when it comes to RR's. We've pretty much stopped eating out b/c we're tired of Tex-Mex and CFS. Why can't a Cajun place or a real Seafood place come in here? A decent deli with quality meats and cheeses and some gourmet items you can't get at HEB or Walmart? It would also be nice to have more retail options. But, once again, we're losing population so why would Target or JC Penney want to take a chance here? I don't know what the downtown solution is but you could fill it with bars and you'd see most of them go under in no time, IMHO.
Liquor stores: totally agree.
Don’t call it “sin tax” they will hang you for that in this town (a bunch of bible bangers).
No many new Restaurants because the “high regulations”, try to open one…
Target will never come specially with the declining population.
The solution for Downtown is to allowed the owners to do as they please with their properties.
City Insider

United States

#17 Dec 9, 2011
I would like to see a “mayor’s myth busters” about the “Downtown area”.
FWGirl

Dallas, TX

#18 Dec 9, 2011
I truly think that the downtown area here and in other small cities has suffered mostly from big box stores and population decline. And I agree with him that to a certain extent, negative things expressed about the town may indeed keep people from coming here. But this situation has been going on for a long time. Kinda like the economic crisis in this country and around the world. He probably has the best of intentions as Mayor but is limited in what he can do to turn this boat around. Ennis does well partly because it's half the distance to Dallas that Corsicana is so it's a 'bedroom community' or suburb of sorts. We can't change that. I think a loop to relieve congestion on HWY 31 would be a positive start but that is the state's decision and budgetary concern. If we, as a community, would think on a more local basis and support local business, that would be a start but would a decent number of folks pay a little more for something at MW's shoe store or FWGirl's boutique instead of heading to Payless or Walmart? Probably not. Add Amazon to the equation and online shopping in general and there you have it. Now, if the Euro fails completely, it's gonna sucker punch China big time and they won't be able to supply things so cheaply for much longer. Then maybe we'll see industry return. I just hope Corsicana is ready to suck up to whatever industries do come back to the US. FW has seen several industries locate there just in the last year. But FW is a desirable city to live in/near. Corsicana? Not so much, unless you're me. But Corsicana has a population hungry for decent paying jobs for now so perhaps that will save us. Hell, I dunno but I can't lay all of the blame on the elected officials and 'bible bangers'. The situation is a lot more complex than all that.

JGK

Since: Dec 08

corsicana

#19 Dec 10, 2011
Mr Wisdom wrote:
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Something tells me that you are either the City Attorney, City Manager or the Economic Development Director…
None of the above, not that you care.

***

If you want to change what type of liquor establishments are allowed in Corsicana, you are going to have to start with the State. The link above will tell you what to do. I realize that would involve some work on your part.

Or you can keep on complaining about the same stuff here, which sure seems to have gotten you far down the road to no where.

JGK

Since: Dec 08

corsicana

#20 Dec 10, 2011
FWGirl wrote:
MW is talking free standing, non RR related establishments, I think.
Yes he can complain all he wants, but until he or someone else does some work it is not going to change. Currently you can not get a State license to operate a bar under the defination Wisdom wants to see in Corsicana. It has been less than ten years since we voted in Restaurant Bars, before that we only had Private Clubs. The petiton has to come from the public to the State to call for a local option election.

As I said before:

The Secretary of State has oversight over local option elections. For questions about specific election procedures, please contact the Secretary of State's Office, or visit the Secretary of State's website.

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