As We See It: District 2 voters must ...

As We See It: District 2 voters must keep their voice

There are 37 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Nov 28, 2010, titled As We See It: District 2 voters must keep their voice. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

And so the courts will decide ... or at least we hope they will. The city of Watsonville last week hopped into the legal fray over who gets to help pick a replacement for Mayor Luis Alejo, who is headed for a seat in the state Assembly.

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corralitosres

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#1 Nov 28, 2010
Mr. Alejo is just wanting to handpick his choice so he can keep his little fingers in the pot. As for what happened long ago when we went from at large council to district, the "demographics" as Mr. Bersi puts in front of us all the time, is different. District 2 is not the only district that is primarily Hispanic/Mexican/Latino. So why keep bringing that up.
I hope that Mr. Martinez prevails in this as it will be the only way to show Mr. Alejo that he is not in control of Watsonville. Having been to many meetings, he CONTROLS, tells other council to SHUT UP, or WE AREN'T DISCUSSING THIS, or his favorite I AM RUNNING THIS MEETING.

We need representation that is for the people, not a personal agendas. Even Bersi made it a personal agenda when he voted against Rahad giving his reason as "My daddy was an alcoholic". What about the voice of the People, Mr. Bersi and Mr. Alejo?
Watsonville voter

Millbrae, CA

#2 Nov 28, 2010
Certainly no surprise the Sentinel editorial opinion would come down this way. The Sentinel has joined with Santa Cruz progressives to help create the legend of Luis Alejo and support all his campaigns over the years, with Watsonville area reporter Donna Jones serving as a virtual cheerleader for Luis and his brother Tomas Jr.

On the other hand, the Sentinel worked with pro-Campos and pro-Alejo snipers to ambush Emilio Martinez with the crank phone call case which was eventually laughed out of court, but only after the Martinez campaign for county supervisor had been wrecked.

But that makes it sound like the Sentinel is engaged in "naked political maneuvering", and isn't that the smear tossed at the Martinez lawsuit by this editorial? Careful Sentinel...your hypocrisy is showing.
Not a Martinez Fan

Oakley, CA

#3 Nov 28, 2010
ANYTHING Martinez does is suspect in my opinion. I attended a meeting where he was the featured speaker and basically admitted to doing a shakedown of local businesses for his own monetary gain. In the guise of "helping" Spanish speaking borrowers with predatory loan applications, he admitted that he would go to the brokers, threaten them and get them to cough up some money so he would go away. He would settle these maters with the threat that his attorney wife would prosecute, so the poor, misled borrowers would settle their claims for peanuts -instead of getting out from under the bad loan. MARTINEZ would make his bucks and move on. He admitted this was his practice to a room full of real estate brokers. Sure, his message was watch your step or I'll come after you, but you have to consider that the defrauded borrowers were not better off after he did- only MARTINEZ was better off. This guy is BAD NEWS for the people of Watsonville.
corralitosres

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#4 Nov 28, 2010
Not a fan, are you on Wacky today? You are very off. We will see lots of this today since tomorrow is the day Martinez went against Alejo and his ILK. Alejo is a self serving jerk. Everything is for HIM. Hey, the people in District 2 voted for him and then what does he do? He uses that win to further his political aspirations and dumps his District 2 people that trusted him and believed in him. Now that is really being TRUE to your district, isn't it?

“I'm the One!”

Since: Apr 10

Santa Cruz, CA

#5 Nov 28, 2010
Alejo is the pinnacle of self serving, corrupt politicians who use their "power" for personal gain, period. It only takes a quick glance at his record and actions to see him for exactly what he is.

District 2 people voted for him and he bailed on them right away. Now he wants to appoint someone so they owe him.
corralitosres

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#6 Nov 28, 2010
GEE.. I posted and it didn't appear.

I never thought I would agree with SLP but on this one, SLP you are RIGHT ON. You said it exactly as it is.

Alejo is deserting his district for his personal gain.
Broke Broker

Santa Cruz, CA

#7 Nov 28, 2010
Not a Martinez Fan wrote:
ANYTHING Martinez does is suspect in my opinion. I attended a meeting where he was the featured speaker and basically admitted to doing a shakedown of local businesses for his own monetary gain. In the guise of "helping" Spanish speaking borrowers with predatory loan applications, he admitted that he would go to the brokers, threaten them and get them to cough up some money so he would go away. He would settle these maters with the threat that his attorney wife would prosecute, so the poor, misled borrowers would settle their claims for peanuts -instead of getting out from under the bad loan. MARTINEZ would make his bucks and move on. He admitted this was his practice to a room full of real estate brokers. Sure, his message was watch your step or I'll come after you, but you have to consider that the defrauded borrowers were not better off after he did- only MARTINEZ was better off. This guy is BAD NEWS for the people of Watsonville.
If Martinez committed fraud and if he threatened mortgage brokers with lawsuits he would have been charged by the District Attorney and his private investigator's license revoked. There were 3-4 complaints filed against Martinez with the District Attorney. No charges were filed. The reason was because the people who filed the complaint committed fraud when they lied about their income on their loan applications and bought more than one property, and many of them did it with help from unethical mortgage brokers who are now broke. Martinez is not better off because of the investigations he did for these people. He was better off already.
corralitosres

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#8 Nov 28, 2010
And Broker, what about the fraud that Campos and his wife committed. They were charged and found guilty.

Problem I see right now, and really it isn't a problem, is that Alejo and his ILK are running scared that someone MIGHT go against them.
I still get upset about the Oscar Rios tape where he says "WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER CALIFORNIA". That they already started. That is frightening since it is in my opinion a crime against AMERICA
Luis is only for Luis

Millbrae, CA

#9 Nov 28, 2010
The Sentinel seems to feel that District 2 voters would be best served by allowing Alejo (a self-serving politician who left them in the lurch to begin running for higher office after only representing them for a year) to have a voice in selecting someone who will also be more loyal to him than to District 2 residents.

The only way to really give those residents a voice would be to let vote for their representative in a special election, which in a purely write-in form would only cost $6800. Alejo has already cost the city at least 2 or 3 times that much by trying to be a resigned-not resigned councilman in a vacant-not vacant seat.
Broke Broker

Santa Cruz, CA

#10 Nov 28, 2010
corralitosres wrote:
And Broker, what about the fraud that Campos and his wife committed. They were charged and found guilty.
Problem I see right now, and really it isn't a problem, is that Alejo and his ILK are running scared that someone MIGHT go against them.
I still get upset about the Oscar Rios tape where he says "WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER CALIFORNIA". That they already started. That is frightening since it is in my opinion a crime against AMERICA
Yea, and the Sentinel endorsed Campos and Campos was charged with fraud by the Department of Real Estate and his license was revoked. When his license and his wife's license was renewed it was with restrictions. The Sentinel also endorsed Alejo who cost the city close to $8,000 in his attempt to rename the City Plaza and now more money because he wants to do what SF Mayor Newsom didn't do, vote for his replacement and maybe another $100,000 in revenue and lost jobs if Martinellie moves as he said he would after Alejo brought back fluoridation and shutting off the microphone on John Marrtinelli when Mr. Martinellie wanted more time to explain what fluoridation would do to his fruit juice business. The Sentinel also endorsed Manuel Bersamin who wrote a racist letter to the band Malo when two separate strawberry festivals were held and told people who attended a city council meeting to take a leap off the Civic Plaza parking lot building because they disagreed with him. The Sentinel said that Council Member Kimberly Petersen would be the needed "Bridge Builder". Where is she now, and what was done while she was mayor? None of the people on the Editorial Board live in Watsonville and neither does Donna Jones but here they are trying to sway a judge with their opinion. Move to Watsonville and tells us how we should live here.
Broke Broker

Santa Cruz, CA

#11 Nov 28, 2010
Luis is only for Luis wrote:
The Sentinel seems to feel that District 2 voters would be best served by allowing Alejo (a self-serving politician who left them in the lurch to begin running for higher office after only representing them for a year) to have a voice in selecting someone who will also be more loyal to him than to District 2 residents.
The only way to really give those residents a voice would be to let vote for their representative in a special election, which in a purely write-in form would only cost $6800. Alejo has already cost the city at least 2 or 3 times that much by trying to be a resigned-not resigned councilman in a vacant-not vacant seat.
The Sentinel only prints what they want you to hear...not the facts.
corralitosres

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#12 Nov 28, 2010
I sure wish everyone would look at this. This is Luis's pick and he says that "THEY" are taking California BACK..
Oh.. this was June 2010. So you know he was stomping then for Alejo's position
disabuser

Meridian, CA

#13 Nov 28, 2010
Such things shouldn't be decided on an ad hoc basis, which allows people to change the rules depending on what serves their self-interests. That's the antithesis of the rule of law. If there is a norm in this situation, that ought to govern this situation. If the city wants something different, it should establish it when the current situational interests aren't at stake.
Not a Martinez Fan

Oakley, CA

#14 Nov 28, 2010
Sure looks like MARTINEZ and his family are doing all the write-ins that are in his favor.
Not a Martinez Fan

Oakley, CA

#15 Nov 28, 2010
Broke Broker wrote:
<quoted text>
If Martinez committed fraud and if he threatened mortgage brokers with lawsuits he would have been charged by the District Attorney and his private investigator's license revoked. There were 3-4 complaints filed against Martinez with the District Attorney. No charges were filed. The reason was because the people who filed the complaint committed fraud when they lied about their income on their loan applications and bought more than one property, and many of them did it with help from unethical mortgage brokers who are now broke. Martinez is not better off because of the investigations he did for these people. He was better off already.
Interesting. He was supposedly "helping" the defrauded borrowers. so you are saying he set them up to extort money from the brokers who helped them get loans so he could get his cut all the while knowing that they had not been defrauded, or were more guilty than the brokers he shook down? And you are one of these Broke Brokers you are describing since that is your chosen name? MARTINEZ himself admitted to getting brokers on technicalities...so now you explain that he did that with Plaintiffs who were corrupt...what does that say about this guy???
Not A Martinez Fan 2

Santa Cruz, CA

#16 Nov 28, 2010
Not a Martinez Fan wrote:
Sure looks like MARTINEZ and his family are doing all the write-ins that are in his favor.
At least Martinez's "family" write the facts. What have you written that does not boarder on lies? But what can expect from people who are not educated, well informed, or sophisticated. Sophisticated: "Aware of and able to interpret complex issues"...this forum may be too sophisticated for some of the people posting here.
Not A Martinez Fan 2

Santa Cruz, CA

#17 Nov 28, 2010
disabuser wrote:
Such things shouldn't be decided on an ad hoc basis, which allows people to change the rules depending on what serves their self-interests. That's the antithesis of the rule of law. If there is a norm in this situation, that ought to govern this situation. If the city wants something different, it should establish it when the current situational interests aren't at stake.
Exceptional sophisticated analysis! Lets hope the judge reads this reasonable and prudent observation. Maybe Not a Martinez Fan can print it, read a few times a day and realize this is not about Martinez or Alejo, but a needed decision by a court of law.
Corralitosres

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#18 Nov 28, 2010
Not A Martinez Fan 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
At least Martinez's "family" write the facts. What have you written that does not boarder on lies? But what can expect from people who are not educated, well informed, or sophisticated. Sophisticated: "Aware of and able to interpret complex issues"...this forum may be too sophisticated for some of the people posting here.
Almost missed your accurate post.

Not a fan is probably someone like Bersi or the BB fan club of Alejo.

Mr. Martinez stood up to the little weasel and his other ilk. Good for him. Hope that the courts will see what Alejo is doing. He is running Watsonville BROKE. The attorney's HE hired and yes it was HIM are very expensive. The city doesn't have the money to pay them. Then Alejo spent 10,000.00 approx to rename the plaza when he said PUBLICALLY that it would not cost the city a cent. And then let's look at all the MAYOR PROCLAMATIONS he issued to help his campaign. 74 since January at a cost of approx 300.00 each. That isn't chicken feed. Alejo has been involved with suing the school district costing again $$$. If he can't even manage his money enough to keep his house, how can he manage a city. Want more. I am the most UNFAN of Alejo's there probably is.
Corralitosres

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#19 Nov 28, 2010
"Maybe Not a Martinez Fan can print it, read a few times a day and realize this is not about Martinez or Alejo, but a needed decision by a court of law. "

BINGO.. you nailed it.
Broke Broker

Santa Cruz, CA

#20 Nov 28, 2010
Not a Martinez Fan wrote:
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Interesting. He was supposedly "helping" the defrauded borrowers. so you are saying he set them up to extort money from the brokers who helped them get loans so he could get his cut all the while knowing that they had not been defrauded, or were more guilty than the brokers he shook down? And you are one of these Broke Brokers you are describing since that is your chosen name? MARTINEZ himself admitted to getting brokers on technicalities...so now you explain that he did that with Plaintiffs who were corrupt...what does that say about this guy???
Martinez conducted investigations for people who claimed they were defrauded by some mortgage brokers. The investigations, which takes some time,revealed that most people claiming to be victims of fraud were committing fraud themselves because they falsified their incomes on their loan applications..that is fraud. What most people don't know is that over 95% of people who have filed for foreclosure in Watsonville are Latino, and that they were taken advantage of by mostly Latino "mortgage brokers" to obtain loans they could never afford. All you have to do is look at the list of names of people who filed for foreclosure in Watsonville (including Alejo) and almost all have Latino surnames. All you have to do is go and ask these Latinos who lost their homes to foreclosure who helped them get their loan and almost all will tell you it was a Latino and most of the time it was an unlicensed Latino "mortgage broker". Seems like you are one of those mortgage brokers?

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