Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,188

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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laughing man

UK

#201159 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
You call spending all day with gay people whom you harass and put down and insult living?
It's better than bug chasing, Brucie.
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#201160 Jul 9, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
<quoted text>
with your "idea" then ALL gay men and ALL lesbian women would be born with HIV. we all know that's just not the case. if you really cared about humanity, you'd be teaching people how not to be exposed to the virus, no matter their gender or orientation. if you could only face the fact that the HIV germs don't have a "gay gene" in it's DNA that selectively attacks only gay or lesbian people. it attacks anyone that's exposed to it. period.
If what you're saying is true then explain why the CDC reported that "while homosexual men make up only a very small percentage of the male population (4%), men who have had sex with men account for over three-quarters of all new HIV infections, and nearly two-thirds (63 percent) of all new infections in 2010."?

With millions of dollars being channeled to pro-gay marketing firms, political action campaigns, and sympathetic media outlets, the LGBT movement has successfully popularized the notion that sodomy between two men poses the same health risks as vaginal intercourse between a man and a woman. The LGBT movement knows that that popular perception is a myth, yet unconscionably perpetuates it to advance its same-sex marriage, and homosexuality-in-the-schools agenda, at the potential cost of millions of lives.

I'll end this argument with a quote from Matt Foreman, Executive Director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force:
"Folks, with 70 percent of the people in this country living with HIV being gay or bi, we cannot deny that HIV is a gay disease. We have to own that and face up to that."

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201161 Jul 9, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Please explain the contradiction between "...support as much freedom for as many people possible", and asking the state into one's personal intimate relationship.
You have lost and this post which is nothing but you grasping for any straw to pretend it will 'save face' and allow you some credibility in here, proves as much.

Drink the Draino. Drink the Draino. When you drink the Draino you will have proven to us that you believe and trust the Bible, until then you are just so much blah blah blah.
laughing man

UK

#201162 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
You and your beliefs are not deserving of respect because you advocate violating the rights of others.
Folsom Street Fair.

How Berkeley Can You Be.

"pride" parades

AIDS

bug chasers

gift givers

violates my rights to a Civilized world.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201163 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
You call spending all day with gay people whom you harass and put down and insult living?
You call spending all day with straight people whom you harass and put down and insult living?

Backatcha champ.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201164 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
Do not blame me for you being inconsistent and contradictory while playing mind games. I have a message that Christians need to hear and come to grips with. I do not have time to play "What does Frankie Rizzo Believe today?" Grow up and say what you mean or I am not interested in wasting my time.
He said, wasting his time.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201165 Jul 9, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, where would we be without thinking atheists!
There was a time when you Morons for Christ burnt alive, at the stake, all thinking Atheists which is redundant because if one is thinking one is not a Christian and if one is an Atheist one is thinking.

I can tell you where humanity would be with our believing Christians and your inquisitions; We'd have 50 million people living on the moon, a Mars colony, we'd be mining the asteroids and have an out post on Alpha Centuri A. And that's just for starters.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201166 Jul 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>don't want to get into a little spit spat with a hater.
TRANSLATION: I can't seem to convince you with lies so I'll call you a hater and hope that you will defend yourself, which I hope, will let me off the hook and keep me from looking as stupid as I am.

[translation provided by His Holiness Reverend Alan]
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201167 Jul 9, 2013
laughing man wrote:
<quoted text>
It's better than bug chasing, Brucie.
Yeah. It's kinda fun. Not real fun but it helps pass the time during slow moments during my tasks on the computer.

I like it best when the silly jackasses type a 500 word angry rant about how irrelevant I am.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201168 Jul 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text> I explained the verse concerning a fool, it was actually about you. When you read a book, do you take a sentence here and one there and put them all together? You offer nothing new, I've heard it all before, noting truthful comes out of your mouth. I do know in the end you lose.
You can't explain away any contradiction or saying of Jesus, you are not qualified and I will catch your every mistake. All you have are apologetics, ie lies. You accuse me of taking something out of context because you know no one knows what that means, it sounds good like you really have an answer. But in context or out of context the meaning is NOT changed. If it were you could not put it back into context and post it fast enough. Instead you call me names and call me the one who is causing problems when we all know that all problems for gay people come from that stupid collection of ancient Jewish puppet plays you call the Wholly Babble.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201169 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
There was a time when you Morons for Christ burnt alive, at the stake, all thinking Atheists which is redundant because if one is thinking one is not a Christian and if one is an Atheist one is thinking.
I can tell you where humanity would be with our believing Christians and your inquisitions; We'd have 50 million people living on the moon, a Mars colony, we'd be mining the asteroids and have an out post on Alpha Centuri A. And that's just for starters.
If I was a thinking atheist during the times when they burned atheists alive I think I would keep quiet about it.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201170 Jul 9, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm baffled ...
Yes, you are.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#201171 Jul 9, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
You can only truly believe what they believe with them held firmly shut, and fingers pushed into their ears singing LA LA LA LA! as loudly as they can.
Never done that.

I simply point out that at it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Making ss couples a defect failure of mating behavior.

Moreover, children prefer mom and dad.

Not to mention that anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.

Smile.
Herr Brucie - gay parrot

UK

#201172 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
There was a time when you Morons for Christ burnt alive, at the stake, all thinking Atheists which is redundant because if one is thinking one is not a Christian and if one is an Atheist one is thinking.
I can tell you where humanity would be with our believing Christians and your inquisitions; We'd have 50 million people living on the moon, a Mars colony, we'd be mining the asteroids and have an out post on Alpha Centuri A. And that's just for starters.
Come to der 21st Century!

Come to Der Sphincter!!

SQUAWWWWKKKKK!!!!!!

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201173 Jul 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text> made it quite clear that humans evolved from apes. The more atheist like you learn about evolution,.
It is time to look at the Bible's alternative explanation:

The question of whether or not the Bible is scientifically valid has been debated for hundreds of years by critics and supporters alike. Biblicists have contended the book not only supports science but contains many statements that are ahead of their time. The Bible supposedly has great scientific wisdom and only now are we beginning to realize as much. Critics, such as myself, believe the Bible is its own worst enemy. From our perspective there are more than enough statements contained therein to forestall any claims to scientific precision. Indeed, many statements clearly belong in the realm of mythology and folklore, while others are simply false. Some are so vague it's difficult to know what is meant, so naturally, biblicists choose the more scientifically oriented interpretation. Those believing the Bible to be scientifically precise and wise beyond its years should read, digest, and remember the following assertions contained within its covers:

The bat is a bird (Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18);
Some fowls are four-footed (Lev. 11:20-21);
Some creeping insects have four legs.(Lev. 11:22-23);
Hares chew the cud (Lev. 11:6);
Conies chew the cud (Lev. 11:5);
Camels don't divide the hoof (Lev. 11:4);
The earth was formed out of and by means of water (2 Peter 3:5 RSV);
The earth rest on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8);
The earth won't be moved (1Chron. 16:30);
A hare does not divide the hoof (Deut. 14:7);
The rainbow is not as old as rain and sunshine (Gen. 9:13);
A mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds and grows into the greatest of all shrubs (Matt. 13:31-32 RSV);
Turtles have voices (Song of Sol. 2:12);
The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);
The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);
Some 4-legged animals fly (Lev. 11:21);
The world's language didn't evolve but appeared suddenly (Gen. 11:6-9; and
A fetus can understand speech (Luke 1:44).

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201174 Jul 9, 2013
Some statements are so vague that apologists can often evade dilemmas by creative rationalizations. As Ingersoll said: "If the holy writer uses general terms, an ingenious theologian can harmonize a seemingly preposterous statement with the most obdurate fact.(Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 5, p. 37). For instance, Gen. 1:7-8 says: "And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament;... And god called the firmament Heaven." Realizing the scientific implausibility inherent in this narration, some apologists attempt to portray the firmament as nothing more than the atmosphere separating the moist clouds above from the oceans below. Some biblical allegations are not only erroneous but have been fatal to their adherents.

For instance, Mark16:17-18 says: "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;.... They shall take up serpents and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them."

Not many believing Christians are willing to drink poisons or handle rattlesnakes to prove the Bible's accuracy, although some have tried. Many individuals have died because they put their trust in the Biblical injunction to pray ("And the prayer of faith shall save the sick," James 5:13-15) and, not wanting to make Asa's mistake (2 Chron. 16:12), shunned physicians.
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#201175 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
What you do NOT have the right to do is what you and your fellow pew warmers do and that is pass laws making your personal opinions the law of the land which establishes Christianity as the religion of the USA.
That is wrong no matter how you dance around it claiming you have the right to force your beliefs down our throats. And it is your Christian beliefs that need to be examined and discussed so they can be seen for the nonsense that they are.
It’s quite interesting Reverend Alan that you believe religious people should not inflict their morals on others, or codify religious morals into law, yet you seem to have no problem imposing your intrinsically flawed ethical relativist philosophy onto a democratic society, with a significant percentage of voters who reject the notion that standards of right and wrong are products of time and culture.

The problem with moral relativism is that no action or behavior, no matter how foul or depraved, is absolutely wrong. That’s why the Nazis embraced socialism, which is based on an ethical relativism and a metaphysical materialism that no decent human could ever accept.

Should the philosophy of moral relativism prevail in our country, our children and grandchildren will come to witness immorality at an unimaginable scale. They will witness unchaste men and women walking naked in public, people flaunting their unclothed bodies, men kissing multiple wives, women kissing multiple husbands, and celebrating their unbridled freedom and identity in public processions where display of physical affection and nudity engender exalting pride.

This is already taking place in America, Rev. Alan.

Of course none of those things probably bothers you because with moral relativism, anything goes!

I suggest you read the following articles, my friend:

Goodman, David. See Topless Woman? Just Move On, Police Are Told. The New York Times.15 May.2013.Web. 13 June. 2013 < http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/16/nyregion/a -... ;

Rosenblum, Emma. Scott Wiener on San Francisco's Ban on Public Nudity. Bloomberg Businessweek, 29 Nov. 2012. Web. 13 June. 2013.‹http://www.businessweek. com/articles/2012-11-29/scott- wiener-on-san-franciscos-ban-o n-public-nudity>

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201176 Jul 9, 2013
The unscientific aspect of biblical teachings is also shown in the fact that many mythological creatures are spoken of as if they were, in fact, real. The manner in which they are described and the context within which this occurs show biblical writers felt they actually existed. Some of the prominent examples are:

cockatrices (Jer. 8:17, Isa. 11:8 59:5),
unicorns (Deut. 33:17, Psalms 22:21. 29:6, Job 39:9-10),
satyrs (Isa. 34:14, 13:21)
fiery serpents (Num. 21:6),
and flying serpents (Isa. 14:29, 30:6).

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201177 Jul 9, 2013
Last, but not least, one should note the hundreds of miracles contained within the Bible. Perhaps more than anything else they prove the Book lacks scientific validity. Miracles, by definition, have supernatural causes, and science, by definition, doesn't work with the supernatural. In order to avoid an extended discussion as to the existence of miracles, I will simply say that nearly all reputable scientists deny their existence and feel all events have a natural, material cause. Believers in miracles can never produce a supernatural event when asked to do so. Challenges are invariably left unanswered.

Any book claiming a woman turned into a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:26), the sun went backward 10 degrees on the sundial (2 Kings 20:11), and quails came from the sea (Num. 11:31) is going to have great difficulty demonstrating its scientific precision to any reasonably scientific mind.
laughing man

UK

#201178 Jul 9, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah. It's kinda fun. Not real fun but it helps pass the time during slow moments during my tasks on the computer.
I like it best when the silly jackasses type a 500 word angry rant about how irrelevant I am.
You give them a chance to do what they do best - hate.

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