P.V. school board candidates square o...

P.V. school board candidates square off at forum: Budget cuts, stat...

There are 22 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Sep 10, 2010, titled P.V. school board candidates square off at forum: Budget cuts, stat.... In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

Seven candidates for the Pajaro Valley school board weighed in on a range of issues facing the district at a forum Thursday.

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Number 6

Fort Bragg, CA

#1 Sep 10, 2010
It was a good forum and well conducted by the League of women Voters with interesting questions. I was encouraged by the new faces and the discussion. I wonder who the teacher and classified employee's unions will endorse?

Patrice Edwards seemed to be the most consistent in her ideas and depth of her presentation. Good job.
Soquel Local

Hollister, CA

#2 Sep 10, 2010
Dumb & dumber. The only thing I would want to hear either candidate say is that their first order of business will be to fire Dorma Baker and all of the superintendents.
diver city

Santa Cruz, CA

#3 Sep 10, 2010
From the article: "Yahiro said he initially supported charter schools, but he worries now that they are taking away students and resources from the district's traditional schools."

Well duh! Where are the students supposed to come from if not the existing schools?

Norton wants to turn the district over to the unions. Really?

Jayzuz help us!
The Accountant

United States

#4 Sep 10, 2010
Soquel Local wrote:
Dumb & dumber. The only thing I would want to hear either candidate say is that their first order of business will be to fire Dorma Baker and all of the superintendents.
What would be the grounds for her dismissal? At will?
Hmmm

Houston, TX

#6 Sep 10, 2010
Doesn't sound like any of them really knows what they're talking about. Let the unions have more say??? They pretty much run the show if you have any knowledge of their innerworkings. Get rid of the administration??? Leaders, love 'em or hate 'em, are required for any organization to suceed - they are suppose to keep cohesion in decision making and direct change when necessary. At least they favor smaller class size -- what a safe issue to all agree on!
Hire more Sups

AOL

#7 Sep 12, 2010
Hmmm wrote:
Doesn't sound like any of them really knows what they're talking about. Let the unions have more say??? They pretty much run the show if you have any knowledge of their innerworkings. Get rid of the administration??? Leaders, love 'em or hate 'em, are required for any organization to suceed - they are suppose to keep cohesion in decision making and direct change when necessary. At least they favor smaller class size -- what a safe issue to all agree on!
I think the candidates did a great job. Yes Leaders are needed in all organizations...but in the opionion of the candidates...there are way too many in PVUSD...layers and layers of administration...whereas the current board of trustees basically gutted the basic education program and any chance for kids to succeed in their schools.
CSEA school bus driver

United States

#8 Sep 12, 2010
Any person concerned about the future of public education can contact me at khitt@manynamespress.com for information about the CSEA and its necessary relationship to the District.

I was shocked to discover no candidate for the board was able to even identify the crucial classified school staff - teacher aids, office, maintenance & grounds workers, custodians and bus drivers of PVUSD: the 600 members of the California School Employees Association, an 84 year-old, member-run union of 230,000 of which I am Chapter 132's Public Relations Officer. The problem is not that school employees are inefficient, we are - and the absolute best for your kids, CA public schools are just extremely underfunded as a whole - 49th in the nation -$8000 to the national average of $17,000 per student per year. We used to be in the top 20 states when Jerry Brown was governor before.

The privatization wolves are drooling at the door to get into PVUSD. The governator's lobbyists are about to hit paydirt if we sit on our hands about Sacramento.

The school district I work for, Pajaro Valley ( pvusd.net ) lost 1/3rd of its Classified workforce (but not busdrivers yet, just cut their hours) and has eliminated bus routes and reduced school hours, forcing students get their own rides or walk (unsafe) much too early in the day to schools inadequately staffed. It is slated to lose more if not all.

If Meg Whitman is elected governor there will be no free public transportation, safe & clean schools, let alone a good public secondary school education. Meg Whitman wants to completely annihilate public schools and classified support staff with more de-funding, privatization, contracting out and the private takeover of public charter schools. She wants to take away the workers' right to form a union, the 8 hour day & mealtime, retirement (which we pay for) and the possibility of health care for all Californians.( cause4education.org SB810, Leno)

I know we can get California schools to be the best, but it's going to take all of us. Will you tell your friends to get out and vote yes to Jerry Brown, yes to Tom Torlakson for Superintendent of Public Education and yes to PROPS 24 & 25 on November 2?

I am a proud PVUSD Bus Driver - we are among the lowest paid in the state but best trained and the most safe drivers in the WORLD! I have talked with bus drivers all over the state who have lost their jobs to private contractors and budget cuts. My job and our fleet relies on you!
Soquel Local

Hollister, CA

#9 Sep 13, 2010
The Accountant wrote:
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What would be the grounds for her dismissal? At will?
Incompetence, complete lack of leadership, financial mismanagement, deplorable test results, complete lack of discipline in local schools, drug problems in schools, violence in schools, promoting an idiot like Murray Shekman, cronyism, lack of creativity, etc.

Give me some time and I am sure I can come up with more reasons but please share with the rest of us what grounds you see for keeping Dorma Baker?
The Accountant

United States

#10 Sep 13, 2010
Soquel Local wrote:
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Incompetence, complete lack of leadership, financial mismanagement, deplorable test results, complete lack of discipline in local schools, drug problems in schools, violence in schools, promoting an idiot like Murray Shekman, cronyism, lack of creativity, etc.
Give me some time and I am sure I can come up with more reasons but please share with the rest of us what grounds you see for keeping Dorma Baker?
I'm sure you have well documented, specific facts for the list you gave. I'm sad to say that there isn't one school district in CA that doesn't have discipline and drug probs. So I guess that means every supe should be fired. How about the principals of those schools, fire them too? And the teachers of those students, the boot for them too? And from my knowledge of American government, isn't the board fiscally responsible for all transactions?

Here's a link to the last external audit report. The lone finding is on page 75.
http://www.pvusd.net/info/public-notice/docum...

Just a note, when you fire someone you should make sure it is defendable and not based on emotion.
Soquel Local

Hollister, CA

#11 Sep 13, 2010
The Accountant wrote:
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I'm sure you have well documented, specific facts for the list you gave. I'm sad to say that there isn't one school district in CA that doesn't have discipline and drug probs. So I guess that means every supe should be fired. How about the principals of those schools, fire them too? And the teachers of those students, the boot for them too? And from my knowledge of American government, isn't the board fiscally responsible for all transactions?
Here's a link to the last external audit report. The lone finding is on page 75.
http://www.pvusd.net/info/public-notice/docum...
Just a note, when you fire someone you should make sure it is defendable and not based on emotion.
I have to give you credit, you are unwavering in your defense of really bad school administrators. Too bad you don't defend the children who are receiving such a poor education in the PVUSD as much as you do Dorma and her dimwit staff.
The Accountant

United States

#12 Sep 13, 2010
Soquel Local wrote:
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I have to give you credit, you are unwavering in your defense of really bad school administrators. Too bad you don't defend the children who are receiving such a poor education in the PVUSD as much as you do Dorma and her dimwit staff.
Why avoid my questions? I respond to yours. Fire the principals and teachers who have children who use drugs and need discipline?

What you call defending I call reality. You really can't believe that your list of 'charges' will stand up in court do you? Shoot from the hip solutions require little thought and end up costing taxpayers lots of bucks.
Soquel Local

Hollister, CA

#13 Sep 13, 2010
The Accountant wrote:
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Why avoid my questions? I respond to yours. Fire the principals and teachers who have children who use drugs and need discipline?
What you call defending I call reality. You really can't believe that your list of 'charges' will stand up in court do you? Shoot from the hip solutions require little thought and end up costing taxpayers lots of bucks.
California is an "at-will" state and we can fire Dorma just because she is ugly. The PVUSD needs a complete make-over of exceptional managers who can clean up that mess and not a bunch of half brained school administrators who are just moving from job to job like migrant workers looking for their next meal. Show me a principal and I will show you someone who is just putting in days until retirement. Aptos High School is in a steady decline with no end in sight and worse no leadership. Schools set no standards for the students because they are afraid to violate their "rights" and moral decline is accepted as okay.

Honestly, I have no hope that pubic schools can fix their problems because the people working in education with the exception of teachers just are not intelligent enough managers. The only real solution is school vouchers so that parents are no longer held hostage to bad local schools. It works in every other country so why not here? Wouldn't the Hispanic children in Watsonville be better served by a Catholic education? Why are public schools so afraid of competition?
The Accountant

United States

#14 Sep 14, 2010
Soquel Local wrote:
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California is an "at-will" state and we can fire Dorma just because she is ugly. The PVUSD needs a complete make-over of exceptional managers who can clean up that mess and not a bunch of half brained school administrators who are just moving from job to job like migrant workers looking for their next meal. Show me a principal and I will show you someone who is just putting in days until retirement. Aptos High School is in a steady decline with no end in sight and worse no leadership. Schools set no standards for the students because they are afraid to violate their "rights" and moral decline is accepted as okay.
Honestly, I have no hope that pubic schools can fix their problems because the people working in education with the exception of teachers just are not intelligent enough managers. The only real solution is school vouchers so that parents are no longer held hostage to bad local schools. It works in every other country so why not here? Wouldn't the Hispanic children in Watsonville be better served by a Catholic education? Why are public schools so afraid of competition?
So when do you expect the sky to fall?
Soquel Local

Hollister, CA

#15 Sep 14, 2010
The Accountant wrote:
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So when do you expect the sky to fall?
If you are a student in the PVUSD, your "sky" fell a long time ago.
The Accountant

United States

#16 Sep 15, 2010
Soquel Local wrote:
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If you are a student in the PVUSD, your "sky" fell a long time ago.
Really? Here's some info from the Watsonville HS web site.

KEY FACTOR
2008 graduates meeting UC or CSU course requirements

OUR SCHOOL COUNTY AVG STATE AVG
64% 50% 36%
The Accountant

United States

#17 Sep 15, 2010
Soquel Local wrote:
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California is an "at-will" state and we can fire Dorma just because she is ugly.
You do know that she has a contract. You can't breach a contract for 'at will' or ugly. So the district will end up in court. Or, the district can pay her off for the term of the contract. Then they will have to find someone who you say must be way better, offer them more money then Dorma (because he/she is better), convince that person to sell their house (good luck with that), buy a house here and move their family (the spouse would need to find a job here). It would seem to me that they would have to offer 20% more to the new person for it to be worth their while. And don't forget that the new person will want a golden handshake, given that this board may terminate before the contract ends.

Sound like a plan that you would vote for?
sucession plan

San Carlos, CA

#18 Sep 15, 2010
Isn't this likely the very reason why Brett McFadden relocated here?
Soquel Local

Hollister, CA

#19 Sep 15, 2010
The Accountant wrote:
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Really? Here's some info from the Watsonville HS web site.
KEY FACTOR
2008 graduates meeting UC or CSU course requirements
OUR SCHOOL COUNTY AVG STATE AVG
64% 50% 36%
How many freshman from 2004 actually graduated in 2008? Answer: about half or thereabouts. Still proud of WHS?
Pilot Joe

San Jose, CA

#20 Sep 29, 2010
Though I'm new to the community I hear incredible "garbage" about the schools, but when I examine the factual data I can't see what's so terrible. Yes, certainly it has problems. What can I do to help?

In these comments someone made mention of the money spent per student and that correlates with everything else I've seen on our school spending. Sure, make some more cuts. Every day I thank the Lord for Mississippi. She's the only state that consistently comes out spending fewer dollars than we do.(Of course it doesn't cost near so much for a home there). What efficiencies will you introduce to "cut the bloat"? The numbers just don't match up...highest class sizes, fewer administrators per student than the other states, less "frills"--like the arts.

Go for it. Advertise higher class sizes, fewer classes, no administrators, no arts, poor facilities--why not use tents; the weather's cooperative most of the time?

Name one past superintendent who has been well received in Pajaro. Though I'm new to the community from the Silicon Valley I've read some of this trash for many years.

Hey, I moved here because I actually like the community. Funny, how you see and read just the opposite in Saratoga, Los Gatos, Hillsboro, Palo Alto, and they support the schools with Foundations, bonds and parcel taxes, AND their property is valuable--could there be a correlation here? Support schools and we are supporting our community and ourselves. Bash, bash, bash and we convince people to "stay away".
sweetcakes

United States

#21 Sep 29, 2010
Hmmm wrote:
Doesn't sound like any of them really knows what they're talking about. Let the unions have more say??? They pretty much run the show if you have any knowledge of their innerworkings. Get rid of the administration??? Leaders, love 'em or hate 'em, are required for any organization to suceed - they are suppose to keep cohesion in decision making and direct change when necessary. At least they favor smaller class size -- what a safe issue to all agree on!
I read in the New York Times that in some schools they are getting rid of the admin.
and letting the teachers run it. It seems to be doing well in the test schools.

In this day and age of computers and programs, there is no reason for all the admin.
Teachers also don't need aids. When we went to school the teachers had classes of 30 students an we were kept in line by the teacher. If we got out of line, we had to write lines or clean up the school grounds. It wasn't that difficult. There is way too much admin staff and aides.

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