As You See It: Sept. 26, 2010

As You See It: Sept. 26, 2010

There are 35 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Sep 26, 2010, titled As You See It: Sept. 26, 2010. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

Why is it that Americans are so impatient with the economic recovery? Since taking office in January 2009, Obama has been able to halt and turned the corner on a major economic collapse in the biggest financial disaster since the Great Depression.

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James Bond

Upland, CA

#1 Sep 26, 2010
Tom Ellison...Please write another letter to the Sentinel not complaining that bho hasn't been given a chance but address the unemployment, the delay in talking about unemployment and why so many other things are so much more important than jobs and the economy. Explain to all about the extravagant vacations and parties at the White House. Explain why members of the Congress and Senate fly around the world on jumbo jets and there is only a few people aboard. Explain the excessive bar tabs on these trips. Explain why bho and his administration constantly go against the will of the majority of the Nation. Explain the racial division that has flared up. Then please tell us what exactly has been done to help America with all the Legislation thats has been cramed through the House and Senate with back room deals and bribes and lies. Don't just make a broad statement but be specific. You can defend the current leadership all you want but it's funny how during this election cycle incumbents aren't running on their records. In fact the only ones bragging about their votes on the different bills are the ones who voted against the big spending and that certainly includes Democrats. I'll keep watching for another letter from you.
We Hear You

Fremont, CA

#2 Sep 26, 2010
Tom, we hear you, "we" being white guys who brought this nation to being the greatest economic engine in the world, and a bastion of freedom against Communist oppression. We're cussed at all the time. Now Obama knows what it's like to be a white guy.
Too much

Santa Cruz, CA

#3 Sep 26, 2010
The community resources including food, medical care and housing assistance that goes to the offspring of illegal aliens was taken away from the care of legal residents who are quietly suffering. This includes the over 100,000 troops returning from overseas who don't have jobs or assistance because the illegal aliens and their offspring have consumed the resources.

There isn't enough resources for both. It's too bad folks get carried away with wanting to help children (even though their parents are illegal and acting selfishly). The disabled and elderly have no choice about their condition. Please care for the legal residents first.
ACORN letter writers

AOL

#4 Sep 26, 2010
I wonder how many other people across the country are submitting talking point letters to the editor defending the failures of the Obama administration. Sorry, but the collapse began and has continually worsened since Obama's party gained control of Congress and the nation's purse strings in 2006, putting fiscal maniacs like Barney Frank in control. Obama and his community activist letter writers can point over their shoulders at Bush till their arms fall of, but that inconvenient fact will not change.
dON

Santa Cruz, CA

#6 Sep 26, 2010
Why is it that Americans are so impatient with the economic recovery? Since taking office in January 2009...
Tom Ellison, Santa Cruz

The recession ended in June 2009. Obamanomics has failed to bring a substantial recovery...

September 23, 2010
The Failure of Obama's Stimulus
By Steve Chapman
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/201...

The number of citations one could post on this theme are sooo numerous that it begs the intellect to imagine ANYONE defending Obamanomics.

Closer to home from an insightful, analytical writer:

Published: Sept. 24, 2010
Joel Kotkin: California's failed statesmen
By JOEL KOTKIN
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/-268102--.h...

Infrastructure spending now 5% of the State budget, down from 20%.

The progressives have become the regressives.

Our Dimocrat leaders are stealing opportunity from their California citizens.

Pathetic!
OpenYourEyes

United States

#7 Sep 26, 2010
James Bond wrote:
Tom Ellison...Please write another letter to the Sentinel not complaining that bho hasn't been given a chance but address the unemployment, the delay in talking about unemployment and why so many other things are so much more important than jobs and the economy. Explain to all about the extravagant vacations and parties at the White House. Explain why members of the Congress and Senate fly around the world on jumbo jets and there is only a few people aboard. Explain the excessive bar tabs on these trips. Explain why bho and his administration constantly go against the will of the majority of the Nation. Explain the racial division that has flared up. Then please tell us what exactly has been done to help America with all the Legislation thats has been cramed through the House and Senate with back room deals and bribes and lies. Don't just make a broad statement but be specific. You can defend the current leadership all you want but it's funny how during this election cycle incumbents aren't running on their records. In fact the only ones bragging about their votes on the different bills are the ones who voted against the big spending and that certainly includes Democrats. I'll keep watching for another letter from you.
Yes, that IS one myopic view of things. Try opening the other eye.

You've just described Washington politics for the last 200 years ... except the jumbo jets are a more recent invention.
WhiteGuy

United States

#8 Sep 26, 2010
We Hear You wrote:
Tom, we hear you, "we" being white guys who brought this nation to being the greatest economic engine in the world, and a bastion of freedom against Communist oppression. We're cussed at all the time. Now Obama knows what it's like to be a white guy.
You're not cussed, you're laughed at. Do you really believe what you are saying?
As I See It

Watsonville, CA

#9 Sep 26, 2010
To: Mr. Ellison, Mauthe And others who need the bumps on their heads examined.
And the Blind, deaf, dumb over indoctrinated robots who just mouth the party line. I'm waiting with optimism that another brand of "Hope and Change" will come to pass in Nov.
http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerrep...
Not enough

United States

#10 Sep 26, 2010
Too much wrote:
The community resources including food, medical care and housing assistance that goes to the offspring of illegal aliens was taken away from the care of legal residents who are quietly suffering. This includes the over 100,000 troops returning from overseas who don't have jobs or assistance because the illegal aliens and their offspring have consumed the resources.
There isn't enough resources for both. It's too bad folks get carried away with wanting to help children (even though their parents are illegal and acting selfishly). The disabled and elderly have no choice about their condition. Please care for the legal residents first.
There's always at least one post every single day blaming all our problems on illegal immigration. What a shallow way of thinking. If the entire illegal immigration issue suddenly vanished, we would still have almost all of the problems we have now.

But I'm glad of one thing in your letter ... unlike most posters, you have implied that we SHOULD pay taxes to create those resources to "care for the legal residents first". Because without the taxes, there would be NO resources, let alone "enough resources for both".

Unless that's just talk, and tomorrow you will start saying that we shouldn't be paying taxes to support "socialism".
Hmmm

United States

#11 Sep 26, 2010
ACORN letter writers wrote:
I wonder how many other people across the country are submitting talking point letters to the editor defending the failures of the Obama administration. Sorry, but the collapse began and has continually worsened since Obama's party gained control of Congress and the nation's purse strings in 2006, putting fiscal maniacs like Barney Frank in control. Obama and his community activist letter writers can point over their shoulders at Bush till their arms fall of, but that inconvenient fact will not change.
Gee, I don't know. You mean like the tea baggers that are funded by the Koch brothers and Murdoch? I've seen lot's of those letters repeating the same lame arguments over and over. Oh wait, that's right ... those letters are all by independent thinking patriots, it' just coincidence that they all use the exact same phrasing.
Save us from the sheeple!
Too much

Santa Cruz, CA

#12 Sep 26, 2010
If you read any of the international papers you see the same situation. It occurs in France, England, Spain, Kenya, etc. Illegal immigration is a problem in countries where it occurs. It is compounded by people having babies that they can not provide for emotionally or physically. Limit one child to a person and enforce mandatory sterilization and you could eliminate those other problems. Or just read a book on population dynamics and you'll learn the same.
Not enough wrote:
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There's always at least one post every single day blaming all our problems on illegal immigration. What a shallow way of thinking. If the entire illegal immigration issue suddenly vanished, we would still have almost all of the problems we have now.
dON

Santa Cruz, CA

#14 Sep 26, 2010
Hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee, I don't know. You mean like the tea baggers that are funded by the Koch brothers and Murdoch? I've seen lot's of those letters repeating the same lame arguments over and over. Oh wait, that's right ... those letters are all by independent thinking patriots, it' just coincidence that they all use the exact same phrasing.
Save us from the sheeple!
The Sheeple are UCSC students; voting in the leaders that fleece them for higher fees while in school & then stealing their opportunities afterward by driving employers away.

Forget about the letters; answer the Economist:

Barack Obama and business
The wages of negligence
The president has gained a reputation for being hostile to business. He needs to change it
Sep 23rd 2010

http://www.economist.com/node/17095319

Back up your “same lame arguments over and over” comment after reading this august publication's analysis.

I defy ya, Mr. Lib Hmmm...
We Hear You

Daly City, CA

#16 Sep 26, 2010
WhiteGuy wrote:
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You're not cussed, you're laughed at. Do you really believe what you are saying?
Yes.

However, I must admit that things are looking up for the Chinese these days. All things must pass. No need to cuss out white guys just yet; someday, we will appear in the archaeology section of Chinese textbooks, along with pictures of Crucifixes, nose rings, and BMW-keychains unearthed from digs.
OceanDiver

Santa Cruz, CA

#17 Sep 26, 2010
Kim Peadon is correct. The elderly and disabled are shunned in this community. I have a mentally disabled brother and a elderly Mom. I have personally contacted the paper about different issues in our community affecting the elderly or disabled. To no avail. It is a shame we live in such a narrow minded discriminatory town. I see my brother suffer as his benefits have been cut and he has less then he needs. My Mother and I had to fight for years to get her basic benefits. What is wrong with this state and this area is that the disabled and elderly are abandon with no hope of basic needs. They are the first groups to have necessary basic needs taken away in the name of the budget. What a sad state of affairs.
James Bond

Upland, CA

#18 Sep 26, 2010
OpenYourEyes wrote:
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Yes, that IS one myopic view of things. Try opening the other eye.
You've just described Washington politics for the last 200 years ... except the jumbo jets are a more recent invention.
Myopic? Hows that? I think my views are quite to the contrary. I believe along with millions of other Americans that Washington and Sacramento are completely out of touch. They don't feel the pain that Americans feel being unemployed and under-employed anguishing over how to pay their bills and putting food on their tables. No sir, both of my eyes are open and I don't like what I see just as many others do. Washington and Sacramento seem to be deaf because they don't hear the majority of Americans speak. This is one of their biggest mistakes but they will hear soon. George Washington once said "Goverbment is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master". Take heed.
brad

San Jose, CA

#19 Sep 26, 2010
Too much wrote:
If you read any of the international papers you see the same situation. It occurs in France, England, Spain, Kenya, etc. Illegal immigration is a problem in countries where it occurs. It is compounded by people having babies that they can not provide for emotionally or physically. Limit one child to a person and enforce mandatory sterilization and you could eliminate those other problems. Or just read a book on population dynamics and you'll learn the same.
<quoted text>
The population bomb always strikes home with many folks, but you need to think it out. First we know what voluntary child restrictions lead to, because they exist right now. The so-called first world is not reproducing fast enough to replace it's self, while the third world reproduces enough to double their population every second or third generation. There is of course only one way to carry this off; look to China. Mandatory sterilization and abortion, infanticide on a horrific scale. "Additional children will result in large fines: families violating the policy are required to pay monetary penalties and might be denied bonuses at their workplace."
I'm not saying there is not a population problem, especially in the third world (or third world emigrants), but I have yet to hear any solution that is not tyrannical.
Too much

Santa Cruz, CA

#20 Sep 26, 2010
I understand it is too much to ask for self-control.

You don't need to go to a third world country to see the consequences of overpopulation and poverty. There are pockets of immense poverty throughout the U.S. African American, white, Latino and Native American populations suffer a great deal because they don't have access to medical care, employment, etc.

Enforcing strict guidelines for population reduction doesn't seem too harsh when you witness the dim existence of so many individuals, right here in the U.S. The U.S. population has grown by more than 205 million people during the past century. The world did just fine 100 years ago with fewer individuals.
brad wrote:
<quoted text>The population bomb always strikes home with many folks, but you need to think it out. First we know what voluntary child restrictions lead to, because they exist right now. The so-called first world is not reproducing fast enough to replace it's self, while the third world reproduces enough to double their population every second or third generation.
I'm not saying there is not a population problem, especially in the third world (or third world emigrants), but I have yet to hear any solution that is not tyrannical.
the original curious cat

Santa Cruz, CA

#21 Sep 26, 2010
a submission to the editor said:

"Why is it that Americans are so impatient with the economic recovery?"

if i was out of a job and had no money, had lost my home due to foreclosure, perhaps living in a tent city, i would be really impatient too.

wouldn't you?
csbsanta cruz

Aptos, CA

#22 Sep 26, 2010
James Bond wrote:
Tom Ellison...Please write another letter to the Sentinel not complaining that bho hasn't been given a chance but address the unemployment, the delay in talking about unemployment and why so many other things are so much more important than jobs and the economy. Explain to all about the extravagant vacations and parties at the White House. Explain why members of the Congress and Senate fly around the world on jumbo jets and there is only a few people aboard. Explain the excessive bar tabs on these trips. Explain why bho and his administration constantly go against the will of the majority of the Nation. Explain the racial division that has flared up. Then please tell us what exactly has been done to help America with all the Legislation thats has been cramed through the House and Senate with back room deals and bribes and lies. Don't just make a broad statement but be specific. You can defend the current leadership all you want but it's funny how during this election cycle incumbents aren't running on their records. In fact the only ones bragging about their votes on the different bills are the ones who voted against the big spending and that certainly includes Democrats. I'll keep watching for another letter from you.
Obama? Jobs?
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-d...

“Where Did All the Money Go?”

Since: Sep 08

Ben Lomond, CA

#23 Sep 26, 2010
Hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee, I don't know. You mean like the tea baggers that are funded by the Koch brothers and Murdoch? I've seen lot's of those letters repeating the same lame arguments over and over. Oh wait, that's right ... those letters are all by independent thinking patriots, it' just coincidence that they all use the exact same phrasing.
Save us from the sheeple!
Funny how you mention the Koch brothers. Of course, nobody on the Left would ever do anything link that.

Just look at Proposition 27.

Why are two billionaires and other well-connected big-money donors funding support for Proposition 27? One even spent $2 million! Many of the big-money donors, including many from out of state, have ties to a former President. The list of those funding Propositon 27 includes 25 self-serving California incumbent politicians and their political party.

What will Proposition 27 do if it is passed? It will eliminated the citizen redistricting commission designed to create free and fair political boundaries in California. Control would be returned to the California Legislature. So who could be afraid of free and fair boundaries? Well, any group who has spent millions creating highly-protected districts that practically guarantee re-election for the status quo.

Proposition 27 Revealed!
http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2010/09/...

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