Vagos motorcycle club targeted in Southern California crime sweep

[Jack]

BIG headlines and little proof as usual. The snitch did alot of LYING on this one ......................

[from cancer]

Gert wrote:

lock'em all up and throw away the keys. they're a cawncer to society.

why dont you lick my ass you big vagina dont be afraid of what you dont know ass

[marcus]

Second Thoughts wrote:

<quoted text>
Yea, so are the families are major South American drug cartels. So are the families of the Coyotes that leave undocumented immigrants in the desert to die. So are the Asians who deal in the trade of human flesh. They're all people, too. And they're nice to their families. It doesn't make what they're doing any less wrong, or illegal.

just cause somebody wants to be in a group or be a part of something does'nt mean they have a bad cause

[anomonous]

Second Thoughts wrote:

<quoted text>One bad apple rots the whole barrel.

dont judge when you dont really know how it is vffv

[wscalifornia]

the vagos do a lot of good for people !! they do help out children,,and they do put together toy run's every year in venice for example,,,i remember when hemet had their toy run,,it was great,,the children got to pick the toys they wanted !! they are strict on drug use,,,,,and yes you mess with them you get dealt with,,you dont mess with them,,and you wont have a problem!!! they ought to do a crime sweep on the riverside sheriffs dept..the l.a sheriff dept and the riverside district attorneys office,,he is the one that has a hard on for them,,,they served something like 85 warrants,,,how many were arrested????how many still locked up??? most were released the same day !!!

[smitty]

likewise for the high desert victorville hesperia area

[Freeway]

People have their minds made up and will probably never believe the truth. It's kind of like, "If I have to explain you would'nt understand" Here's my experience. I came in the club in 1990. Straight out of prison. I saw a family that I wanted to be a part of. I quit using drugs and drinking a year before I came in the club. As time went by I became more and more interested in God. I went to Bible college and got ordained as a conservative evangelical minister. The club supported me in this.I am now a pastor and the clubs chaplain.I preach on Sunday, teach a bible study on Wednesday night and make as many club functions as possible. I am not an outlaw anymore but I am still a Vago. They are my brothers. I have been clean and sober since 1989. My point is that you can be anything you want to be in this club except a dope dealer or a criminal. Do we have people that cross the line? Of course... So do the FBI, DEA,LAPD, The Church, The California Bar association, and the Medical Profession.We have bigger criminals creating more negatives in any one of those groups than we do in the Vagos. I welcome rebuttals but please don't disrespect me or yourself with mindless profanity. It's okay to disagree just try to have all the facts first before you pull the trigger on a group or individual.

[RICK - SAN DIEGO]

Second Thoughts wrote:

<quoted text>
Yea, so are the families are major South American drug cartels. So are the families of the Coyotes that leave undocumented immigrants in the desert to die. So are the Asians who deal in the trade of human flesh. They're all people, too. And they're nice to their families. It doesn't make what they're doing any less wrong, or illegal.

IN RESPONSE TO THE MESSAGE ABOVE I COULD NOT AGREE ANY MORE. 100% ON THE MONEY

[RICK - SAN DIEGO]

REMEMBER HITLER LOVED HIS FAMILY TOO.

[Donna]

wscalifornia wrote:

the vagos do a lot of good for people !! they do help out children,,and they do put together toy run's every year in venice for example,,,i remember when hemet had their toy run,,it was great,,the children got to pick the toys they wanted !! they are strict on drug use,,,,,and yes you mess with them you get dealt with,,you dont mess with them,,and you wont have a problem!!! they ought to do a crime sweep on the riverside sheriffs dept..the l.a sheriff dept and the riverside district attorneys office,,he is the one that has a hard on for them,,,they served something like 85 warrants,,,how many were arrested????how many still locked up??? most were released the same day !!!

25 arrests.-95 guns-2 stolen bikes.
Also according to the article...No toys were confiscated.

[Larry]

81 Hang Around wrote:

There's good and bad in all walks of life if you realy want to know what goes on then hang out, you'd be surprised to find that the code of ethics involved in the motor cycle club sub-culture is alot more demanding than your back stabing "day to day" society. there's good cops and bad cops just like I'm sure there's good Vagos and bad Vagos just like anything else...

I'm whats known as a "Patch Holder" with an outlaw motorcycle club in Southern California. I've lived this lifestyle all of my 53 years on this Earth. And unless you've done what is necessary to truly expose yourself to exactly what goes on in this world, then you know nothing at all. Today, we are all subject to the growing fascist menace in America, after Bush signed the USA PATRIOT Act into law March 9. You will notice that the March 10 Vagos bust was ominously timed.

It is important to note that in order for Bush and the neo-Conservative menace to get to you, they must get to us first. I can only speak for my club. But I am part of an educational vanguard that is designed to bring us all into the menace of the 21st Century. Any time I talk to a member of another Club about this, they are in total agreement. We agree that we all need to get much smarter, collectivley, than we have been in the past. That we must all conduct our affairs as if the survivability of the Club is at stake, which it is. And that above all, the conflicts between the Clubs must end. These conflicts have been spawned mostly by law enforcement infil-traitors. Especially from the ATF and the FBI. They CANNOT prosecute us, succesfully, under the RICO Statute. Attempts to do that have proven to be miserable failures on their part. WE ARE NOT CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS! Yes, members have engaged in criminal activity! But does the actions of a few make us all CRIMINALS? No, it does not!

So, they want Club wars. They NEED Club wars. The only way that they will be able to sustain their treachery is for us to be at each others throats. The moment that we, as the outlaw club community, recognise this together, then law enforcements current gig will be up. We are on the way to collectivley recogniseing the fact that if we unite under a single ideal, that we will become a much tougher nut to crack. Then, we deal with the growing menace of the Patriot Act.

There are many in the mainstream yuppie non-specific realm that very stupidly wish for our demise. Why? Why would they want us all to go the way of the dodo? Do they ever stop to think about what comes after that? Especially since the signing of the Patriot Act? If this is how YOU feel about us, have you ever pondered what happens after outlaw motorcycle clubs are done away with? Think about that, if you have the capacity.

Most of us are family men with jobs and bills and kids and mortages and all of the doom and damnation that goes with it. We have some bad seeds in our midst, and neither myself nor anyone else is going to deny this. But name me an element of society that dosent import bad seeds? It is numerically impossible not to if you have many people in your realm.

All we ask is that everyone be opened minded about us. If you can do that, then maybe then you can open your eyes to the chicanery and deciet that is trying to do us ALL in, and that your own government is 1000 times more of a threat, to YOU, than outlaw clubs could ever be, or ever were. Its up to you.

[A VAGOVFFV]

As a member of the Vagos Moorcycle Club I will be happy to meet with all the shit talkers face to face and then you can have your say. Any takers?

[Sammy]

What about the other 20%? GERT??????????

[Second Thoughts]

A VAGOVFFV wrote:

As a member of the Vagos Moorcycle Club I will be happy to meet with all the shit talkers face to face and then you can have your say. Any takers?

Will this change the truth? Or will it just affirm it?

[A VAGOVFFV]

Second thoughts, well that will be entirely your choice I'm a peaceful person I don't tread on those who show the same respect also I have to say I'm tired of the keyboard jockey's that always have an opinion about my club I refuse to play that game but what I will do is offer up a chance for anyone to say their peace to me in person without reprisal as long as they have a valid complaint. Gert if you have something to say let me know....Don't say it sitting at the computer replying to a faceless person say what you mean and mean what you say. As for the attitude well Gert get over it I'm not here on this earth to be like you.

[A VAGOVFFV]

Larry your as right as right can be........ Where do we start?

[Larry]

A VAGOVFFV wrote:

Larry your as right as right can be........ Where do we start?

Start by getting together with your brothers on it. Someone in your chapter needs to get on the stick and dive into whats going on with the Patriot Act. Go to Goggle.com and sign up for Goggle Alerts. Get SEPERATE alerts for "USA PATRIOT Act", "Domestic Terrorism", and get seperate alerts for all of the major MC's anywhere. These will supply you with any and all of the latest updates on these subjects, both pro and con. You then have to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

Keep your chapter updated at every church, when significant info is warranted for discussion. Find out where Tramp weighs in on all of this, and then have him perhaps tell the chapter P's to stay on top of it.

The bottom line is that the Green Nation is going to have to embrace this genuine threat, as a brotherhood, or its gonna be Katy bolted the door. And like I asserted before, ALL of the conflicts between the clubs MUST come to an end. The FEDS will always use that against us. You will never be free from the wrath of the San Bernardino County SMASH.

I'm putting this in your hands brother, and I wish you the best of luck.

[A VAGOVFFV]

Hey Larry do me a favor go to bikernews.net create an account and send me a private message and I'll responed .....

[AZBILL]

LIVING IN DEERVALLEY AZ 90-93 I AQUIRED TWO GOOD FRIENDS POCKETS
R.I.P AND SAMMY BEST TIMES IN MY LIFE GOOD TO ME AND MY FAMILY.
THESE GUYS ARENT DOING NOTHING WRONG.LEAVE THEM ALONE.
AZBILL


LOS VAGOS FOREVER

[anomonous]

thanks for everything george for betraying more than just a family