The AMA's unhealthy role in setting d...

The AMA's unhealthy role in setting doctor payments

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The right is wrong

Sacramento, CA

#1 Jul 22, 2013
You either pay or you die!

Looks like the government needs to go after the AMA through the RICO act.

http://money.msn.com/now/post--the-amas-unhea...
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#2 Jul 22, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
You either pay or you die!
Looks like the government needs to go after the AMA through the RICO act.
http://money.msn.com/now/post--the-amas-unhea...
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That's not the half of it...

The AMA has been restricting the number of medical schools and medical students for almost 100 years in order to create a shortage of doctors and no new medical schools were allowed to open since the 1980's.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/25/american-med...

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#3 Jul 22, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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That's not the half of it...
The AMA has been restricting the number of medical schools and medical students for almost 100 years in order to create a shortage of doctors and no new medical schools were allowed to open since the 1980's.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/25/american-med...
Wow. Is that really you comrade? I am shocked. You and I actually are in agreement on something! Your article even mentions a Friedman, a Libertarian Austrian economist. I am amazed.

No, seriously. The doctor shortage is going to be one of the biggest problems we face in health care. I was talking to my doctor 5 years ago and he said that the doc shortage was a problem then and was only going to get worse over time. From my understanding only about half of the doctors are part of the AMA yet they wield such enormous power, it is ridiculous. We are already starting to see more and more foreign trained doctors. I guess that will be the trend of the future unless someone takes care of the AMA problem.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#4 Jul 22, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Wow. Is that really you comrade? I am shocked. You and I actually are in agreement on something! Your article even mentions a Friedman, a Libertarian Austrian economist. I am amazed.
No, seriously. The doctor shortage is going to be one of the biggest problems we face in health care. I was talking to my doctor 5 years ago and he said that the doc shortage was a problem then and was only going to get worse over time. From my understanding only about half of the doctors are part of the AMA yet they wield such enormous power, it is ridiculous. We are already starting to see more and more foreign trained doctors. I guess that will be the trend of the future unless someone takes care of the AMA problem.
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Yes, It is amazing indeed that we both finally managed to agree on something after all these years...

A doctor shortage will definitely be a problem in the near future, especially when 30 million more folks will be knocking at the health providers doors....

Personally I see no immediate workaround to more foreign trained doctors, but I do not see that as a problem as far as patients are concerned.

I did read some of Milton's works way back when and properly disposed of the books.

And it is annoying when small pressure groups exert such disproportionate powers.
The right is wrong again

Lincoln, CA

#5 Jul 22, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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That's not the half of it...
The AMA has been restricting the number of medical schools and medical students for almost 100 years in order to create a shortage of doctors and no new medical schools were allowed to open since the 1980's.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/25/american-med...
On the money gramps, on the money. And remember, "unregulated capitalism is rape!"

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#6 Jul 22, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Yes, It is amazing indeed that we both finally managed to agree on something after all these years...
A doctor shortage will definitely be a problem in the near future, especially when 30 million more folks will be knocking at the health providers doors....
Personally I see no immediate workaround to more foreign trained doctors, but I do not see that as a problem as far as patients are concerned.
I did read some of Milton's works way back when and properly disposed of the books.
And it is annoying when small pressure groups exert such disproportionate powers.
I do not have a problem with foreign trained doctors either. In Canada there has been a doctor shortage for some time and as a result the Canadian government openly recruited foreign doctors to immigrate to Canada. A lot of times the immigrant doctors did receive at least some if not all their training in the West. There are a lot of British Commonwealth doctors moving to Canada since immigrating from one British Commonwealth country to another is relatively easy. There were a lot of doctors from Britain, India, etc.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#7 Jul 23, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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I do not have a problem with foreign trained doctors either. In Canada there has been a doctor shortage for some time and as a result the Canadian government openly recruited foreign doctors to immigrate to Canada. A lot of times the immigrant doctors did receive at least some if not all their training in the West. There are a lot of British Commonwealth doctors moving to Canada since immigrating from one British Commonwealth country to another is relatively easy. There were a lot of doctors from Britain, India, etc.
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You are right SAM, Canada, Great Britain, India, and many Latin American countries have well trained and capable doctors... It is well known that a certain percentage of Americans travel outside the country seeking medical care for a fraction of the cost and with good to outstanding results...

There must be some sort of a crack in the space-time continuum or something because this is the second post we seem to agree on something...
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#8 Jul 23, 2013
The right is wrong again wrote:
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On the money gramps, on the money. And remember, "unregulated capitalism is rape!"
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Yes, that is one of the major flaws of the capitalist system, it's Achilles heel, if you will...

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#9 Jul 23, 2013
The right is wrong again wrote:
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On the money gramps, on the money. And remember, "unregulated capitalism is rape!"
The AMA having the kind of power and influence upon regulations is not unregulated capitalism. It is the opposite of capitalism. The AMA does not want a free market, they want to control the market.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#10 Jul 23, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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The AMA having the kind of power and influence upon regulations is not unregulated capitalism. It is the opposite of capitalism. The AMA does not want a free market, they want to control the market.
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Yes, the AMA wants to have a monopoly on health care just as any other large business wants to have a monopoly on their products/services if they can get away with it, that is why we have antitrust laws in place...
The right is wrong

Sacramento, CA

#11 Jul 23, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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The AMA having the kind of power and influence upon regulations is not unregulated capitalism. It is the opposite of capitalism. The AMA does not want a free market, they want to control the market.
I disagree Sam. Greed is the heart and soul of capitalism, period!
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#12 Jul 23, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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I disagree Sam. Greed is the heart and soul of capitalism, period!
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I am leaning towards your way of thinking, there is indeed such a thing as legitimate self interest, but, if unbridled, it soon crosses the line into pure avarice....

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#13 Jul 23, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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I disagree Sam. Greed is the heart and soul of capitalism, period!
No. Greed is in the heart of man regardless of the economic system. Do you think that there is no greed in a Socialist or Communist system? There is plenty of greed in those systems. I communist systems there are the ruling elites and the rest of society.

Cronyism is not capitalism. Most corporations do not want a capitalist free market system. They want the markets skewed in their favour, thus the lobbying that controls some of the greedy politicians in Washington and our state legislators. Very few of the so called capitalists actually want a free market.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#14 Jul 23, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Yes, the AMA wants to have a monopoly on health care just as any other large business wants to have a monopoly on their products/services if they can get away with it, that is why we have antitrust laws in place...
The problem is too many politicians caving to corporations, special interest groups and political pressure. When you have politicians(local, state and federal)giving away favors and writing regulations for donations or whatever, to corporations you cannot claim to have a free market.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#15 Jul 24, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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The problem is too many politicians caving to corporations, special interest groups and political pressure. When you have politicians(local, state and federal)giving away favors and writing regulations for donations or whatever, to corporations you cannot claim to have a free market.
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On the flip side you can not claim corporations even want a free market when they find it expedient to form pressure groups in order to influence politicians in order to gain unfair advantage.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#16 Jul 24, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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On the flip side you can not claim corporations even want a free market when they find it expedient to form pressure groups in order to influence politicians in order to gain unfair advantage.
I agree. There are not many companies that want a free and open market.
All you have to do is look at who lobbies for new regulations for a certain industry, it is those in the industry lobbying for regulations that limit their competition.
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/06/taken-for-a-...

Why does it cost $20,000 and 18 months of school to obtain a license to cut hair in California?
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#17 Jul 24, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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No. Greed is in the heart of man regardless of the economic system. Do you think that there is no greed in a Socialist or Communist system? There is plenty of greed in those systems. I communist systems there are the ruling elites and the rest of society.
Cronyism is not capitalism. Most corporations do not want a capitalist free market system. They want the markets skewed in their favour, thus the lobbying that controls some of the greedy politicians in Washington and our state legislators. Very few of the so called capitalists actually want a free market.
Whew!!
You had me worried for a second there Sam.
Large government eventually gets more and more corrupt no matter what the "system". Our system is no longer a purely capitalist system by any measure.....with the possible exception of the stock market, and even the market is being somewhat manipulated/controlled.
Whenever people are controlling "other peoples money", you can bet that there will eventually be poor decisions made. There is no consequence for politicians to spend money wisely when it is not their money they are spending.....and the supply of "other peoples money" is seemingly endless..........
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#18 Jul 24, 2013
In regard to the AMA...
They are simply doing what the public employees have been doing for decades.....they are looking out for themselves........and they are using the "system" to do it.
Most doctors hate obamacare, and they are making their feelings known. Just like any other business, there are no guarantees, and they are very nervous about what our fearless leader is doing with their "money".
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#19 Jul 24, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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The problem is too many politicians caving to corporations, special interest groups and political pressure. When you have politicians(local, state and federal)giving away favors and writing regulations for donations or whatever, to corporations you cannot claim to have a free market.
precisely.
The right is wrong

Sacramento, CA

#20 Jul 24, 2013
Local wrote:
In regard to the AMA...
They are simply doing what the public employees have been doing for decades.....they are looking out for themselves........and they are using the "system" to do it.
Public employees learned from private industry!

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