if you get all your federal taxes bac...

if you get all your federal taxes back in a refund you are NOT a taxpayer

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johnny pipe fitter

United States

#1 Jul 11, 2011
there are a lot of my fellow working class citizens lately complaining about everyone spending their tax money. the fact of the matter is, if you make less than about fifty grand a year you don't pay taxes once they send it back to you at the first half of the next year. just because they take the federal income tax out of your check every week does not necessarily qualify you as a "taxpayer". my grandparents made just enough every year that they had to pay a little in even after what they took out of their checks so they were taxpayers. rich people are taxpayers, not us. if you file earned income every year your yourself are getting someone else's money. at least with the EITC people are rewarded for working, and it stimulates the economy around the first of the year after the christmas swell and before the summer spending increases and it doesn't encourage people to sit and draw. of course some take advantage of it but it's not the worst of the social programs.
FYI

Tupelo, MS

#2 Jul 11, 2011
If you go out and buy something and pay taxes on it.....that makes you a tax payer! Which in return brings revenue back to the county!! That means everytime you shop or buy food you are a taxpayer even if you don't even WORK!
babalou

Saltillo, MS

#3 Jul 11, 2011
FYI wrote:
If you go out and buy something and pay taxes on it.....that makes you a tax payer! Which in return brings revenue back to the county!! That means everytime you shop or buy food you are a taxpayer even if you don't even WORK!
i think they meant federal income tax payer.
The Man

Tupelo, MS

#4 Jul 11, 2011
The Original Poster is One Word. CLUELESS! As the 2nd poster stated. Anytime you go to the grocery store and buy food you pay What? You Guessed it...TAXES! If You go out to eat, you pay 7% Sales Tax. If you go and get an oil change on your vehicle, you have to pay a Sales Tax to the State of Mississippi. Americans are TAXED to the Gills and yet this country is STILL Trillions in debt. Just One Question. Just exactly what is the first poster trying to say? If you buy Gasoline you're taxed. It's figured in to the price of the fuel you purchase. Think about what you are saying. To say that anyone is not a taxpayer you're badly mistaken. We're Taxed To The Gills. I ain't no rich person and I pay Taxes every day.
johnny pipe fitter

Saltillo, MS

#5 Jul 11, 2011
The Man wrote:
The Original Poster is One Word. CLUELESS! As the 2nd poster stated. Anytime you go to the grocery store and buy food you pay What? You Guessed it...TAXES! If You go out to eat, you pay 7% Sales Tax. If you go and get an oil change on your vehicle, you have to pay a Sales Tax to the State of Mississippi. Americans are TAXED to the Gills and yet this country is STILL Trillions in debt. Just One Question. Just exactly what is the first poster trying to say? If you buy Gasoline you're taxed. It's figured in to the price of the fuel you purchase. Think about what you are saying. To say that anyone is not a taxpayer you're badly mistaken. We're Taxed To The Gills. I ain't no rich person and I pay Taxes every day.
i said all that to get someone to say what you just said, thank you. i get tired of everyone parroting the JT show bs about only half the people pay all the taxes. thank you once more. now i'm not the only one who gets what i'm sayin.
Dilbert

United States

#6 Jul 12, 2011
johnny pipe fitter wrote:
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i said all that to get someone to say what you just said, thank you. i get tired of everyone parroting the JT show bs about only half the people pay all the taxes. thank you once more. now i'm not the only one who gets what i'm sayin.
News flash! "The Man" was NOT agreeing with you! And as far as federal income tax withheld, I only make 30k a year, and I don't get a full refund on my federal taxes, which, according to you, qualifies me as a taxpayer. But you said only people making 50k or more pay the taxes. If I Didnt have it taken out of each check, they'd hit me with a bill in January. What gives?
Oh No

Noblesville, IN

#7 Jul 12, 2011
Well we now know you do not know much about income tax. You probably work some for cash during the year. You do not then have enough reported income; so you are able to file and claim earned income credit. This way you can get back some other taxpayers money. You are what I call a gouger. Bet you talk about those who draw a check. This is just as bad. Eic should be ended too.
johnny pipe fitter

Saltillo, MS

#8 Jul 12, 2011
and the puppets dance...

dillbert, no sh*t he disagreed with me if you had some comprehension when you read my reply to the man you would see that his disagreement was exactly what i wanted, to point out that we are all taxpayers. read before you reply
johnny pipe fitter

Saltillo, MS

#9 Jul 12, 2011
Oh No wrote:
Well we now know you do not know much about income tax. You probably work some for cash during the year. You do not then have enough reported income; so you are able to file and claim earned income credit. This way you can get back some other taxpayers money. You are what I call a gouger. Bet you talk about those who draw a check. This is just as bad. Eic should be ended too.
i do work for cash all year, but i keep up with what i make and hold back 25% to pay the tax, some of you may know this as a small business, and no, i don't claim earned income, i have no dependents so i don't qualify.
Oh No

United States

#10 Jul 12, 2011
johnny pipe fitter wrote:
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i do work for cash all year, but i keep up with what i make and hold back 25% to pay the tax, some of you may know this as a small business, and no, i don't claim earned income, i have no dependents so i don't qualify.
If you report all you earn you are way ahead of what you call small business. Many do not report their income to the full amount. My hat is off to you for being an honest tax payer. We should do away with income tax and collect all tax through consumption tax. The tax you talk about that we all pay. Anyone caught guilty of tax evasion should serve a mandatory ten years hard labor. This should fix a lot of our tax problems on the collection end. The spending end is a can of worms and has so many opinions of how to spend our money. What you consider needful I might consider a waste and vice-versa.
johnny pipe fitter

Saltillo, MS

#11 Jul 12, 2011
Oh No wrote:
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If you report all you earn you are way ahead of what you call small business. Many do not report their income to the full amount. My hat is off to you for being an honest tax payer. We should do away with income tax and collect all tax through consumption tax. The tax you talk about that we all pay. Anyone caught guilty of tax evasion should serve a mandatory ten years hard labor. This should fix a lot of our tax problems on the collection end. The spending end is a can of worms and has so many opinions of how to spend our money. What you consider needful I might consider a waste and vice-versa.
i never thought i'd see someone else here who shares that opinion with me, i've been thinking for a while we should abolish all taxes but a level nationwide sales tax, can you imagine how many businesses would open up and move to the U.S. if we took away all the damn taxes and regulations? then people would have jobs to find, and the government won't need trillions if they would slash all the epa and dea and fcc and fda and all the other departments that could be handled state by state and in accordance with how the voters of each state feel their state should be run. i hate that this point of view gets lost in all the democrat vs. republican sound bites and fear mongering/infighting. Thomas Jefferson once said "A government big enough to give you everything you need is a government big enough to take everything you have". nobody talks like that anymore, the party politics is probably the single biggest source of divisiveness in america today.
flatten

Memphis, TN

#12 Jul 12, 2011
johnny pipe fitter wrote:
<quoted text>i never thought i'd see someone else here who shares that opinion with me, i've been thinking for a while we should abolish all taxes but a level nationwide sales tax, can you imagine how many businesses would open up and move to the U.S. if we took away all the damn taxes and regulations? then people would have jobs to find, and the government won't need trillions if they would slash all the epa and dea and fcc and fda and all the other departments that could be handled state by state and in accordance with how the voters of each state feel their state should be run. i hate that this point of view gets lost in all the democrat vs. republican sound bites and fear mongering/infighting. Thomas Jefferson once said "A government big enough to give you everything you need is a government big enough to take everything you have". nobody talks like that anymore, the party politics is probably the single biggest source of divisiveness in america today.
And party politics are divisive enough to distract the populous from the issues.
The problem with a value added tax is fixed income folks. They can't afford it, and they are active voters. The tax structure has encouraged long term commitments that would upset the rest ( 401k, mortgage, etc).
It would be cheaper to collect (sorry accountants and h&r block), along with making sure everyone in the USA illegal or criminal pays. Plus it would give me more money to spend on my next overseas vacation.
payattentionincl ass

United States

#13 Jul 15, 2011
FYI wrote:
If you go out and buy something and pay taxes on it.....that makes you a tax payer! Which in return brings revenue back to the county!! That means everytime you shop or buy food you are a taxpayer even if you don't even WORK!
if you don't work and buy something it doesn't make you a taxpayer, it just means you took your handout money and gave it back in exchange for free merchandise. This doesn't apply to people drawing retirement, unemployment, inheritance, ssi or disability (as long as it is legitimate).
quick poll

Tupelo, MS

#14 Jul 15, 2011
payattentioninclass wrote:
<quoted text>if you don't work and buy something it doesn't make you a taxpayer, it just means you took your handout money and gave it back in exchange for free merchandise. This doesn't apply to people drawing retirement, unemployment, inheritance, ssi or disability (as long as it is legitimate).
Wow true
nelda

Mcminnville, TN

#15 Jul 16, 2011
If you go out and buy something and pay taxes on it.....that makes you a tax payer! Which in return brings revenue back to the county!! That means everytime you shop or buy food you are a taxpayer even if you don't even WORK!
taxes are taxes
payattentionincl ass

United States

#16 Jul 16, 2011
nelda wrote:
If you go out and buy something and pay taxes on it.....that makes you a tax payer! Which in return brings revenue back to the county!! That means everytime you shop or buy food you are a taxpayer even if you don't even WORK!
taxes are taxes
Read my post very slowly, IF YOU ARE GETTING A HANDOUT AND BUY SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT A TAX PAYER, YOU ARE GIVING YOUR FREE HANDOUT BACK IN EXCHANGE FOR A DIFFERENT HANDOUT YOU WANT MORE. You aren't paying taxes, you are just trading.
wow wow wow

United States

#18 Dec 6, 2012
I like how mr. Only people who make over 50k a year pay taxes changed his mind, this was by far the dumbest post I have ever read in my entire life of living on this planet.
random

Clementon, NJ

#19 Feb 14, 2013
We should make anyone who is on Welfare take a drug test. I hate to think that the money that I work for goes to people who can sit home all day and do drugs instead of going out an looking for a job because even the job that they do get pays less then what they can make in Welfare. Our system is so backwards. I heard of a story of somone who pulled up in an escalade and was bit**ing because they had a problem with their welfare money. He started saying the government is taking food out of his daughters mouth... ARE YOU KIDDING ME.... How about sell that escalade to buy your kid some food. You should not be making more money then anyone that works.
DoDad

Corinth, MS

#20 Feb 14, 2013
If you get a refund you are paying in too much during the year. I adjust my withholding so they take out what I owed in taxes and when I file I might pay a few dollars or get back a few dollars. That way I keep my money thur the year and not loan it to the feds intrest free.
The Man

Jackson, TN

#21 Feb 15, 2013
If in fact you're one of the thousands who file EIC and for example had 2000 dollars taken out during the year but got a refund of 10,000 dollars you paid no income taxes and in fact recieved a wealth transfer from the other taxpayers such as myself who pay in every year. These inequities in our tax system are illustrative of the fact that that real tax reform is needed. In reality no one should get a refund or have to pay in. The tax should be about 10% of what every person makes with no deductions or loopholes and should apply to everyone regardless of income. In this way every man and woman would have "skin in the game" .

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