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Susan

Indian Wells, CA

#1 Jan 30, 2013
Pres. Obama announced yesterday that he wants 11 million+ illegal aliens put on a pathway to U.S. citizenship with jobs and benefits as soon as possible.

What do YOU want???

Obama was a bit vague in his Las Vegas speech, but the policy outline distributed by the White House makes very clear his demands. Full voting citizenship for most all 11+ million illegal aliens with NO CONDITIONS. NO guarantees about border security. NO E-Verify in place to check for employment fraud. NO funding of Entry-Exit visa-checking system.

After reviewing Obama's plan, our Director of Government Relations, Rosemary Jenks, told the press:

"This is not a serious plan for comprehensive immigration reform; it is a comprehensive special-interest New Year's wish list,in which everyone gets something except the American people. Unfortunately,all Americans get is the bill,which they will have to pay with their jobs and their tax dollars."
--Rosemary Jenks, NumbersUSA

The other plan to surface this week is from a Senate "Gang of Eight." The group includes long time Amnesty champions like Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY), and Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ). No surprises here. All these men have pulled every trick imaginable for years to push Amnesty.

More surprising is the addition of Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), who actually campaigned against Amnesty while running for the Senate! In 2009, he said, "If you grant amnesty, the message that you're sending is that if you come in this country and stay here long enough, we will let you stay. And no one will ever come through the legal process if you do that." We hope this is a temporary lapse for him.

Now, I know NumbersUSA members are only human. And hearing and reading news on this subject that is slanted only in the pro-Amnesty direction can feel confusing. You may yourself have some questions that need to be answered about all this. I'll try to answer them.
Susan

Indian Wells, CA

#2 Jan 30, 2013
1. Will Amnesty STOP illegal immigration?
Of course not! ALL of our decades of experience with Amnesties and its results shows that Amnesties encourage much more illegal immigration. Why? Once we as a nation confirm that criminal behavior is forgotten and rewarded with citizenship, voting, social welfare benefits like free health care, it's easy to see why hundreds of millions more foreigners will be tempted into this crime. That is what happened after the giant Amnesties in 1986 and the six subsequent smaller amnesties in the 1990s, and it will happen this time.

2. Is Amnesty GOOD for the economy?
NO! These people are already employed. That's why they are here. If illegal immigration actually creates any jobs, they are long ago created. If the illegal aliens are working illegally at payroll jobs, they are already paying all the taxes they are ever going to pay (it's taken right out of their checks). If they are paid under the table, I suppose some more honest souls amongst them might start filing tax returns.

3. How about government spending?
Terrible! When you're earning low wages like many of these workers do, and you file a tax return, the government PAYS YOU THE TAXES! It's called an Earned Income Tax Credit, and it goes to millions of low-wage Americans. It's not supposed to go to illegal aliens, but it will be paid to them as soon as they become legalized. This will cost billions. Also, once they are legalized, the 11+ million will qualify for Medicaid (free medical care!). This one benefit could cost the government $50 BILLION every single year! Sen. Jeff Sessions says the total cost of an Amnesty will reach $1 TRILLION!

4. Who BENEFITS from Amnesty?
Let's be frank -- amnesty will not only reward 11 million illegal aliens with a path to citizenship, but it will instantly create 11 million new legal workers who will be jumping to the head of the employment line in front of 20 million unemployed Americans.

Who benefits from Amnesty? Well, the illegal aliens benefit. Big Business that loves cheap labor benefits. People who make their living handing out government benefits benefit.
5. Who LOSES from Amnesty?
Legal Immigrants Lose.Those who have worked hard and immigrated to the U.S. through legal means, and those waiting in their home countries for green cards lose. Why should they experience depressed wages and job competition from illegal aliens who are suddenly rewarded with legal status.

Taxpayers lose! Tens of Billions more of government spending for social welfare each year. To gain what for taxpayers? NOTHING!

Unemployed Americans lose! Please remember that 20 million Americans cannot find full time work. NOBODY is talking about them. NOBODY seems to care about what they want. Only half of recent college graduates can fine work in their fields. How does legalizing 11+ million more workers help them?
6. Can we WIN?
Take heart! We have EVERY chance of stopping this -- IF NumbersUSA members will PULL TOGETHER and GET DETERMINED!

Public opinion is STILL on our side! The faked-up, dishonest, nearly fraudulent "polls" that have lately been waved around are political documents, not honest research. We will soon be releasing honest, first-class research that shows that Americans who understand they have a choice choose enforcement over Amnesty! Find your courage! Hang ON!

We have plenty of fine allies in Congress who are rallying to stop this Amnesty.

7. Do we have any GOOD news?
YES! I hope you heard that NumbersUSA had a huge victory late last week in the ICE agents' lawsuit against Janet Napolitano and the Obama administration. As you know, NumbersUSA has given its complete financial backing to 10 ICE agents who are suing the administration over the DREAM Act amnesty edict that Pres. Obama issued last summer.
Susan

Indian Wells, CA

#3 Jan 30, 2013
Thursday, we learned that Judge Reed O'Connor, of the federal district court in Dallas, has ruled that the ICE agents DO have standing to sue the administration on the DREAM-amnesty program set up by executive directive.

As you know,gaining standing is the first and most critical step in any federal lawsuit.In general terms, you have to prove an imminent and personal harm to gain "standing" in federal court. In recent years, the rules have tightened and so federal lawsuits on policy-related matters have become extremely difficult.

So,this is a huge, huge victory for the ICE agents and for NumbersUSA, since we are backing the suit financially! The next step in the process will be for Judge Reed to rule on the merits of the case.
godly man

Bozeman, MT

#4 Jan 30, 2013
your ancestors were once immigrants too
geezz

Madison, MS

#5 Jan 30, 2013
godly man wrote:
your ancestors were once immigrants too
Correct! All of ours were. This country is known as the "melting pot" for a reason!
We Have Laws

Tucker, GA

#6 Jan 30, 2013
At one point in our history it wasn't illegal to sell drugs. After the powers that be figured out it was a bad thing they made laws to try to stop the sale of said drugs. In like manner, at one time people freely immigrated to America and the powers that be saw it wasn't good so they made laws to stop open border immigration. People coming to America illegally are BREAKING the laws of the land.
geezz

Madison, MS

#7 Jan 30, 2013
We Have Laws wrote:
At one point in our history it wasn't illegal to sell drugs. After the powers that be figured out it was a bad thing they made laws to try to stop the sale of said drugs. In like manner, at one time people freely immigrated to America and the powers that be saw it wasn't good so they made laws to stop open border immigration. People coming to America illegally are BREAKING the laws of the land.
You are very right.
Most come here and stay longer than they are suppose to and disappear. But many people, especially narrow minded people like us southerners are still quite racist and do not want anyone in our town that do not look like us. That is the truth whether you are willing to admit it or not.
Yesterday I sat in a doctor's office and listened to a couple of men talking about the blacks and hispanics that were at the ball game the other night and how they wished they would all go back to where they came from. We have a new neighbor who told my husband and I to our face that they moved to the county to get away from blacks in town. Imagine the look on their face when I told them we were finalizing our adoption of a black child!
It is people like them that reflect southerners poorly, and it is more common than most will ever admit.
bush
#8 Jan 30, 2013
geezz wrote:
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You are very right.
Most come here and stay longer than they are suppose to and disappear. But many people, especially narrow minded people like us southerners are still quite racist and do not want anyone in our town that do not look like us. That is the truth whether you are willing to admit it or not.
Yesterday I sat in a doctor's office and listened to a couple of men talking about the blacks and hispanics that were at the ball game the other night and how they wished they would all go back to where they came from. We have a new neighbor who told my husband and I to our face that they moved to the county to get away from blacks in town. Imagine the look on their face when I told them we were finalizing our adoption of a black child!
It is people like them that reflect southerners poorly, and it is more common than most will ever admit.
i wanted one for christmas
We Have Laws

Tucker, GA

#9 Jan 30, 2013
I agree there are a lot of people, ever creed and color who feel the way you describe. I for one am not. We all have our place in this world. We just need to do it legally and the politicians don't need to use people to get votes.
I read yesterday where illegal immigrants in 2010 cost MS tax payers $106,000,000.00. That comes from an org. called FAIR. If I remember correctly $60,000,000.00 of that was from medical charges. Things like that is why our medical bills are so high.
geezz wrote:
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You are very right.
Most come here and stay longer than they are suppose to and disappear. But many people, especially narrow minded people like us southerners are still quite racist and do not want anyone in our town that do not look like us. That is the truth whether you are willing to admit it or not.
Yesterday I sat in a doctor's office and listened to a couple of men talking about the blacks and hispanics that were at the ball game the other night and how they wished they would all go back to where they came from. We have a new neighbor who told my husband and I to our face that they moved to the county to get away from blacks in town. Imagine the look on their face when I told them we were finalizing our adoption of a black child!
It is people like them that reflect southerners poorly, and it is more common than most will ever admit.
We Have Laws

Tucker, GA

#10 Jan 30, 2013
http://www.fairus.org/action/cost-of-illegal-...

Check out some of the dollar amounts on this site. Look at California.
We Have Laws

Tucker, GA

#11 Jan 30, 2013
I was wrong. It is $11,000,000.00 for healthcare and $70,000,000.00 for education.
geezz

Madison, MS

#12 Jan 30, 2013
bush wrote:
<quoted text>i wanted one for christmas
All I can say to you is, you are much lacking class.
You are a prime example of what I spoke of in my previous post.
Keep talking, you just give more proof to what I said, narrow minded southerner, or in your case I could say "redneck".
One more thing, you should be so luck and have the privilege to raise a child like this him. His spirit is unbroken and faith is remarkable. Something you would know nothing about since you lack both.
geezz

Madison, MS

#13 Jan 30, 2013
We Have Laws wrote:
I agree there are a lot of people, ever creed and color who feel the way you describe. I for one am not. We all have our place in this world. We just need to do it legally and the politicians don't need to use people to get votes.
I read yesterday where illegal immigrants in 2010 cost MS tax payers $106,000,000.00. That comes from an org. called FAIR. If I remember correctly $60,000,000.00 of that was from medical charges. Things like that is why our medical bills are so high.
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Oh, I have no doubt on any of this. My best friends son was in an accident with a young man that was Mexican, he did not have a valid drivers license or insurance, accident was his fault and they the police department let him go. My friend wrote a letter to the mayor saying if her child was the cause and had a valid license he would have been ticketed. Something really wrong with this picture.
Something needs to change for, no doubt or arguing this.
geezz

Madison, MS

#14 Jan 30, 2013
geezz wrote:
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All I can say to you is, you are much lacking class.
You are a prime example of what I spoke of in my previous post.
Keep talking, you just give more proof to what I said, narrow minded southerner, or in your case I could say "redneck".
One more thing, you should be so luck and have the privilege to raise a child like this him. His spirit is unbroken and faith is remarkable. Something you would know nothing about since you lack both.
OOPPSS, on my phone, meant to say " so lucky" not "so luck" and
"like him" not "like this him".

At least I can admit my mistakes.
bush
#15 Jan 30, 2013
geezz wrote:
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All I can say to you is, you are much lacking class.
You are a prime example of what I spoke of in my previous post.
Keep talking, you just give more proof to what I said, narrow minded southerner, or in your case I could say "redneck".
One more thing, you should be so luck and have the privilege to raise a child like this him. His spirit is unbroken and faith is remarkable. Something you would know nothing about since you lack both.
i bet you will get a lot of turned up noses and everybody will say how cute he is wish i had one they wont raise their own
bush
#16 Jan 30, 2013
geezz wrote:
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You are very right.
Most come here and stay longer than they are suppose to and disappear. But many people, especially narrow minded people like us southerners are still quite racist and do not want anyone in our town that do not look like us. That is the truth whether you are willing to admit it or not.
Yesterday I sat in a doctor's office and listened to a couple of men talking about the blacks and hispanics that were at the ball game the other night and how they wished they would all go back to where they came from. We have a new neighbor who told my husband and I to our face that they moved to the county to get away from blacks in town. Imagine the look on their face when I told them we were finalizing our adoption of a black child!
It is people like them that reflect southerners poorly, and it is more common than most will ever admit.
go buy yourself a dozen of them and good luck sickos
Spooner

Jackson, MS

#17 Jan 30, 2013
geezz wrote:
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Correct! All of ours were. This country is known as the "melting pot" for a reason!
Immigrants that come into this country now don't melt like they once did. People used to come to America, to be Americans to learn our language, blend or, melt into our way of living in other words "become Americans.
Now they immigrate to this country, and each group stays together, so they don't melt as they once did instead you have, mexican Americans, asain Americans, african Americans, muslim Americans etc. each group with its on agenda, and thats even mentioning the illegals in this country.
American Indians

Fort Worth, TX

#18 Jan 30, 2013
We Have Laws wrote:
I agree there are a lot of people, ever creed and color who feel the way you describe. I for one am not. We all have our place in this world. We just need to do it legally and the politicians don't need to use people to get votes.
I read yesterday where illegal immigrants in 2010 cost MS tax payers $106,000,000.00. That comes from an org. called FAIR. If I remember correctly $60,000,000.00 of that was from medical charges. Things like that is why our medical bills are so high.
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We had laws too! Did white man respect our law? No!! They stole our land, killed our women and children, and put us in compounds. They broke every treaty they ever made. They claim this land as their own, protected by their laws. The half breed Indians are returning to claim back their birthright. You can guess how much they care for your law.
Spooner

Jackson, MS

#19 Jan 30, 2013
Spooner wrote:
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Immigrants that come into this country now don't melt like they once did. People used to come to America, to be Americans to learn our language, blend or, melt into our way of living in other words "become Americans.
Now they immigrate to this country, and each group stays together, so they don't melt as they once did instead you have, mexican Americans, asain Americans, african Americans, muslim Americans etc. each group with its on agenda, and thats even mentioning the illegals in this country.
Not even mentioning. Sorry
We Have Laws

Tucker, GA

#21 Jan 30, 2013
Native Americans don't deserve to be in this conversation. Native Americans are in a category all by themselves. I have a lot of Cherokee running through my veins, I know what you are talking about.
American Indians wrote:
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We had laws too! Did white man respect our law? No!! They stole our land, killed our women and children, and put us in compounds. They broke every treaty they ever made. They claim this land as their own, protected by their laws. The half breed Indians are returning to claim back their birthright. You can guess how much they care for your law.

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