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varoom varoom

United States

#62 Sep 20, 2012
Sarah wrote:
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There is simply no denying that point. The democrat party officially endorses gay marriage. It also officially supports abortion (murder) including even partial term abortion. To those of you that say you don't care because it is not you, be sure that you know and understand that under Obama your tax dollars would subsidize abortions for those that can't pay. Essentially he makes you an accomplice to murder.
Obama supported a few years back as a sen abortions preform right up until the moment of birth.

Folks this election is simply about the lesser or 2 evils!
Im not crazy about him but romney is a honest man that i think really wants to turn or Country back from the cliff we headed towards. obama wants us to be like europe a socialist nation. If he is elected for another 4 years he will show you what a dictator is like. He will rule with Presidential Powers and bypass Congress. The end result will be the severe loss of Libirtey and freedom.
geezz

Madison, MS

#63 Sep 20, 2012
varoom varoom wrote:
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Obama supported a few years back as a sen abortions preform right up until the moment of birth.
Folks this election is simply about the lesser or 2 evils!
Im not crazy about him but romney is a honest man that i think really wants to turn or Country back from the cliff we headed towards. obama wants us to be like europe a socialist nation. If he is elected for another 4 years he will show you what a dictator is like. He will rule with Presidential Powers and bypass Congress. The end result will be the severe loss of Libirtey and freedom.
An honest man?
If he will release his tax records I may agree with you a little on that but not until then.
Gtown71

United States

#64 Sep 20, 2012
geezz wrote:
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Mitt Romney says he is for abortion in cases of rape and incest, so he in turn is for abortion then.
So there is no difference?
1. Abortion for rape or incest,which may be 10 percent,on a real bad day.

2. Abortion at any time,for any reason,which is 100 percent each and every day.
geezz

Madison, MS

#65 Sep 20, 2012
Gtown71 wrote:
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So there is no difference?
1. Abortion for rape or incest,which may be 10 percent,on a real bad day.
2. Abortion at any time,for any reason,which is 100 percent each and every day.
THE POINT IS HE SAYS HE IS FOR IT IN THOSE CASES. Does not matter how many of those cases there are gtown, you are either for it or against it.
My opinion.
Sarah

Corinth, MS

#66 Sep 20, 2012
geezz wrote:
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Mitt Romney says he is for abortion in cases of rape and incest, so he in turn is for abortion then.
So then you agree that for other than casess of rape and incest, the democrat party undeniably support abortion REGARDLESS of the reason. Even as a means of birth control, even when taxpayers are forced to contribute by way of those that pay taxes?
Explain to me how that makes their position any less offensive to a Christian? I plainly state that a vote for a man that supports the slaughter of thousands and thousands of innocent children is an abomination before God.
geezz

Madison, MS

#67 Sep 21, 2012
Sarah wrote:
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So then you agree that for other than casess of rape and incest, the democrat party undeniably support abortion REGARDLESS of the reason. Even as a means of birth control, even when taxpayers are forced to contribute by way of those that pay taxes?
Explain to me how that makes their position any less offensive to a Christian? I plainly state that a vote for a man that supports the slaughter of thousands and thousands of innocent children is an abomination before God.
Read this if you dare. I had read this when he chose Paul as his running mate on line and today someone has sent me this story.
Mitt Romney's Son
Signed 'Abortion' Clause
In Surrogate Birth Contract
EXCLUSIVE

TMZ has learned Mitt Romney's son Tagg -- who had twins this year through a surrogate -- signed an agreement that gave the surrogate, as well as Tagg and his wife, the right to abort the fetuses in non-life threatening situations ... and Mitt Romney covered some of the expenses connected with the arrangement ... and it may boil down to an incredibly stupid mistake.

The twin boys -- David Mitt and William Ryder -- were born on May 4, 2012. We've learned Tagg and his wife Jen, along with the surrogate and her husband, signed a Gestational Carrier Agreement dated July 28, 2011. Paragraph 13 of the agreement reads as follows:

"If in the opinion of the treating physician or her independent obstetrician there is potential physical harm to the surrogate, the decision to abort or not abort is to be made by the surrogate."

Translation: Tagg and Jen gave the surrogate the right to abort the fetuses even if her life wasn't in danger. All the surrogate has to show is "potential physical harm," which could be something like preeclampsia -- a type of high blood pressure that could damage the mother's liver, kidney or brain, but is not necessarily life-threatening.

Paragraph 13 goes on:

"In the event the child is determined to be physiologically, genetically or chromosomally abnormal, the decision to abort or not to abort is to be made by the intended parents. In such a case the surrogate agrees to abort, or not to abort, in accordance with the intended parents' decision."

And there's another relevant provision in Paragraph 13:

"Any decision to abort because of potential harm to the child, or to reduce the number of fetuses, is to be made by the intended parents."

Translation: Tagg and his wife, Jen, had the right to abort the fetuses if they felt they would not be healthy.

Sources connected with Mitt Romney tell TMZ, Mitt was involved in the surrogate arrangement because he paid some of the expenses connected with the agreement. We do not know if Mitt Romney read the contract or knew the terms.

Mitt has said, "I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest and the health and life of the mother." Otherwise, Romney is against abortion.

Now for the stupid mistake. We've learned Tagg chose the same surrogate in 2009, who gave birth to a boy. Attorney Bill Handel -- a nationally-known expert in surrogacy law who put the deal together between Tagg and the surrogate -- tells TMZ when the 2009 contract was drafted there was no Paragraph 13 providing for abortion because Tagg and his wife didn't want it.

Handel says in 2011, when the second contract was being drafted, everyone involved "just forgot" to remove Paragraph 13. Handel says, "No one noticed. What can I say?"

Read more: http://www.tmz.com #ixzz276gRe5Qb
geezz

Madison, MS

#68 Sep 21, 2012
And for all those who are for the republicans and are against gay marriage, has everyone forgotten that Dick Cheney's daughter is gay? He supported gay marriage. And speaking of Mr. Cheney, where was he at the RNC? Where was President Bush? What about Sarah Palin? Why did they not speak at the RNC? I was very shocked that they did not speak. I saw weeks before it on Fox that Palin was not asked to speak but what about the other two? Very strange to me, I mean they were in the white house for 8 years.
Gtown71

United States

#69 Sep 21, 2012
geezz wrote:
And for all those who are for the republicans and are against gay marriage, has everyone forgotten that Dick Cheney's daughter is gay? He supported gay marriage. And speaking of Mr. Cheney, where was he at the RNC? Where was President Bush? What about Sarah Palin? Why did they not speak at the RNC? I was very shocked that they did not speak. I saw weeks before it on Fox that Palin was not asked to speak but what about the other two? Very strange to me, I mean they were in the white house for 8 years.
From what I know Bush said after he was done,that he was done. Again on the abortion thingy - most could be all for killing every baby out there except those who have red headed fathers with brown freckles and it would still be better.
Sarah

Milan, TN

#70 Sep 21, 2012
geezz wrote:
And for all those who are for the republicans and are against gay marriage, has everyone forgotten that Dick Cheney's daughter is gay? He supported gay marriage. And speaking of Mr. Cheney, where was he at the RNC? Where was President Bush? What about Sarah Palin? Why did they not speak at the RNC? I was very shocked that they did not speak. I saw weeks before it on Fox that Palin was not asked to speak but what about the other two? Very strange to me, I mean they were in the white house for 8 years.
First off let me congratulate you for quoting the bastion of integrity and honest, serious news - TMZ. We all know that must be certainly true I mean how could they not get it right when they do such a stellar job on Lindsay Lohan and all the other celebs. PLEASE!

To the rest of your arguments let me start with Romney and his stance on rape and incest. You say it is all the same. Is it really? Would you personally for no reason murder someone? Probably not, but would you kill someone if your life or your spouses was in danger? Probably so. Is it the same? Come on really be honest with yourself. Of course not! As far as Dick Cheney is concerned and his gay daughter what does that have to do with anything? Dick Cheney is not running, if he were and he voiced his support of gay marriage I would not vote for him. I have a cousin who is gay and whom I would bet supports gay marriage. I would not vote for them, do not agree with their lifestyle, have made it known to them that I do not agree with their lifestyle and that they live in sin. But the point is, individually I can not control my cousin. I can however control my Christian vote and it will not go to the Murderer in Chief Obama. Now be honest with yourself for just one minute, if Jesus was standing next to you in the voting booth, would you pull that lever for someone who supports abortion and gay marriage and who's party boos the mention of God in their platform? Guess what, he will be standing next to you. Just as he is right now. My prayer for you and everyone is to thoughtfully consider this when you vote.
geezz

Madison, MS

#71 Sep 21, 2012
Sarah wrote:
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First off let me congratulate you for quoting the bastion of integrity and honest, serious news - TMZ. We all know that must be certainly true I mean how could they not get it right when they do such a stellar job on Lindsay Lohan and all the other celebs. PLEASE!
To the rest of your arguments let me start with Romney and his stance on rape and incest. You say it is all the same. Is it really? Would you personally for no reason murder someone? Probably not, but would you kill someone if your life or your spouses was in danger? Probably so. Is it the same? Come on really be honest with yourself. Of course not! As far as Dick Cheney is concerned and his gay daughter what does that have to do with anything? Dick Cheney is not running, if he were and he voiced his support of gay marriage I would not vote for him. I have a cousin who is gay and whom I would bet supports gay marriage. I would not vote for them, do not agree with their lifestyle, have made it known to them that I do not agree with their lifestyle and that they live in sin. But the point is, individually I can not control my cousin. I can however control my Christian vote and it will not go to the Murderer in Chief Obama. Now be honest with yourself for just one minute, if Jesus was standing next to you in the voting booth, would you pull that lever for someone who supports abortion and gay marriage and who's party boos the mention of God in their platform? Guess what, he will be standing next to you. Just as he is right now. My prayer for you and everyone is to thoughtfully consider this when you vote.
I quit reading after your first sentence because as I said I have read this before and I know it is the truth. It is just now being put out there for the public. The truth is the truth, no matter who releases it.
What was that saying that was going around about Palin 4 years ago?
"you can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig".
You must not like the truth very much. Again, when Bush was president, his VP Cheney's daughter announced she was a Lesbian. He also says he does not oppose gay marriage. Guess you can ignore that as well as Romney is okay with some abortions. There is no justification.
You cannot have it both ways.
I am done posting with you on this, the truth is the truth, no matter what you think.
geezz

Madison, MS

#72 Sep 21, 2012
varoom varoom wrote:
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Obama supported a few years back as a sen abortions preform right up until the moment of birth.
Folks this election is simply about the lesser or 2 evils!
Im not crazy about him but romney is a honest man that i think really wants to turn or Country back from the cliff we headed towards. obama wants us to be like europe a socialist nation. If he is elected for another 4 years he will show you what a dictator is like. He will rule with Presidential Powers and bypass Congress. The end result will be the severe loss of Libirtey and freedom.
Honest man?
He caters to whomever is in the room, that has been proven.
geezz

Madison, MS

#73 Sep 21, 2012
Gtown71 wrote:
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From what I know Bush said after he was done,that he was done. Again on the abortion thingy - most could be all for killing every baby out there except those who have red headed fathers with brown freckles and it would still be better.
He did say that but come on, he should have been there, especially when it is so close! He would have helped temendously if he had been! And you did not comment on Chenney or Palin.
I saw on Fox where they made the statement she was not asked to speak but I am sure the other two were. Bush being there would have been like Clinton was at the DNC.
Shocking to me that he did not move heaven and earth to bring his party and the RNC together!
Gtown71

United States

#74 Sep 21, 2012
geezz wrote:
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He did say that but come on, he should have been there, especially when it is so close! He would have helped temendously if he had been! And you did not comment on Chenney or Palin.
I saw on Fox where they made the statement she was not asked to speak but I am sure the other two were. Bush being there would have been like Clinton was at the DNC.
Shocking to me that he did not move heaven and earth to bring his party and the RNC together!
What does Chenneys daughter being gay have to do with anything? I have a friend who is gay,and know several more who is gay,that still don't mean I am ok with them getting married,nor I'm I going to kill them for it,for al have sinned. I don't know if Channey is ok with it or not,but many republicans are. As far as bush goes,it is probably better he stayed away. He is not viewed as a great prez or speaker. Bill Clinton is,even though he called obama a joke when his wife was running.
I still do not see how you think there is no difference in how Romney views abortion verses how obama views abortion.

I don't expect you to see it.
scott

United States

#75 Sep 21, 2012
Im gay, but I dont support gay marriage(at least not for me, I'd never marry). But I do belive that ALL americans should have equal rights, gays pay taxes, just like st8 ppl do. What this (gay issue) comes down to, is christians trying to make others live the lives that they themselves should be liveing. Preach in your church that gay is wrong, preach that alcohol is wrong, preach that abortion is wrong--do all that from your pulpit, but stay out of politics, espically since you are considered a corporation and dont pay any taxes. Funny, gays pay taxes yet are denied equal rights. Churches pay no taxes and are constantly in politics and trying to dicate the lives of others.
geezz

Madison, MS

#76 Sep 21, 2012
Gtown71 wrote:
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What does Chenneys daughter being gay have to do with anything? I have a friend who is gay,and know several more who is gay,that still don't mean I am ok with them getting married,nor I'm I going to kill them for it,for al have sinned. I don't know if Channey is ok with it or not,but many republicans are. As far as bush goes,it is probably better he stayed away. He is not viewed as a great prez or speaker. Bill Clinton is,even though he called obama a joke when his wife was running.
I still do not see how you think there is no difference in how Romney views abortion verses how obama views abortion.
I don't expect you to see it.
I make the point about Chenneys daughter because everyone that posts their pure hate for Obama on this site always make the point to say he is for gay marriage. Connect the dots gtown. And VP Chenney and his wife have openly said they are proud of their daughter and they support her and gay marriage, he did that while in the White House.
Back and fourth with you on the abortion issue. My point again is you are either for it or against it, most people who are against it are against it in all CASES. This is a black and white issue, no grey in there. That is my thought on that, I just do not think I can be any clearer.
I am so tired of this conversation. I am done. Not that I give up I am just tired of all the back and fourth and everyone repeating everything over and over again. Nothing is going to change either way.
geezz

Madison, MS

#77 Sep 21, 2012
scott wrote:
Im gay, but I dont support gay marriage(at least not for me, I'd never marry). But I do belive that ALL americans should have equal rights, gays pay taxes, just like st8 ppl do. What this (gay issue) comes down to, is christians trying to make others live the lives that they themselves should be liveing. Preach in your church that gay is wrong, preach that alcohol is wrong, preach that abortion is wrong--do all that from your pulpit, but stay out of politics, espically since you are considered a corporation and dont pay any taxes. Funny, gays pay taxes yet are denied equal rights. Churches pay no taxes and are constantly in politics and trying to dicate the lives of others.
Scott, I am not gay but I fully agree with you that gays should have the same rights as everyone else. You spoke well on this subject and I agree with you 100%!
Peace be with you.
scott

United States

#78 Sep 21, 2012
geezz wrote:
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Scott, I am not gay but I fully agree with you that gays should have the same rights as everyone else. You spoke well on this subject and I agree with you 100%!
Peace be with you.
Thanks. I have noticed that most truely straight people have no problem with it. I agree with you on gtown, I dont know what the hell it is he has got, but I bet its hard to pronounce. Waiting for him to honestly 'listen'to someone else's point of view is like putting a candle in the window and waiting for Jimmy Hoffa.
joe dirt

United States

#79 Sep 21, 2012
So you think that gays should be able to adopt children???????
If anyone thinks thats right there idiots!!!!!!!!
If they want to be gay let them. but they dont have to make the whole world accept it nor see it!
We as Americans are free to ruin our own lives but leave others out of it......
How would your children raised by homosexuals? If something happened to you etc!!!!!
I for one sure as H#double hockey sticks would not!
Rick B

Corinth, MS

#80 Sep 21, 2012
Sarah wrote:
<quoted text>
First off let me congratulate you for quoting the bastion of integrity and honest, serious news - TMZ. We all know that must be certainly true I mean how could they not get it right when they do such a stellar job on Lindsay Lohan and all the other celebs. PLEASE!
To the rest of your arguments let me start with Romney and his stance on rape and incest. You say it is all the same. Is it really? Would you personally for no reason murder someone? Probably not, but would you kill someone if your life or your spouses was in danger? Probably so. Is it the same? Come on really be honest with yourself. Of course not! As far as Dick Cheney is concerned and his gay daughter what does that have to do with anything? Dick Cheney is not running, if he were and he voiced his support of gay marriage I would not vote for him. I have a cousin who is gay and whom I would bet supports gay marriage. I would not vote for them, do not agree with their lifestyle, have made it known to them that I do not agree with their lifestyle and that they live in sin. But the point is, individually I can not control my cousin. I can however control my Christian vote and it will not go to the Murderer in Chief Obama. Now be honest with yourself for just one minute, if Jesus was standing next to you in the voting booth, would you pull that lever for someone who supports abortion and gay marriage and who's party boos the mention of God in their platform? Guess what, he will be standing next to you. Just as he is right now. My prayer for you and everyone is to thoughtfully consider this when you vote.
What a wonderful and well said post! A perfect explanation. Trust me, she did read the post but she simply can not refute truth!
andrew

United States

#81 Sep 21, 2012
joe dirt wrote:
So you think that gays should be able to adopt children???????
If anyone thinks thats right there idiots!!!!!!!!
If they want to be gay let them. but they dont have to make the whole world accept it nor see it!
We as Americans are free to ruin our own lives but leave others out of it......
How would your children raised by homosexuals? If something happened to you etc!!!!!
I for one sure as H#double hockey sticks would not!
Excuse me! I never ever hardly post on here, but I do read the post alot and this time I just cant sit here and not say anything. My parents were killed in alabama in a car wreck when I was very young. My only realitive was a gay uncle. He and his partner raised me. I was not abused sexually, mentally, or emotionaly in any way shape form or fashion. I was sent to school and raised to respect other people. I was even forced to go to church bc my uncle knew my parents would want it so. I grew up, got married, and have a beauitful son. Iam not gay in any way!!!!!!! But, I guess you had rather I been put in a orphanage or foster home huh!!!!!!!! By the way, statistics show most child abuse, sexual or otherwise is committed by hetrosexual white males that are usually friends of the victims family or a family themselves. I grew up a productive citizen. And if you think someone is less a person bc of their sexuality just shows you limited capabilities as a human being. I was loved, feed, taked to the doctor when sick, and raised as any other would be, with the exception of haveing two males to raise me instead of a male and female. So you can take that smart ass remark you just posted and put it in your ignorant hillbilly pipe and smoke it!!!!!!!!!!

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