Tuskegee Airmen Memorial honors what Black men can achieve

Sep 28, 2013 Full story: New Pittsburgh Courier Online 36

Think about it. It's during the 1940s when Blacks are looked upon as dumb monkeys; if not intelligent enough to fight on the front lines, how could they possibly be able to fly plans, let alone be fighter pilots? Black people were not considered to be intelligent enough to hold jobs such as doctors, lawyers, policemen, or any other position that ... (more)

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“Obsidian Princess”

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#44 Oct 5, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
Why should they be honored? The "Tuskeegee Syphilis experiments were nothing but a waist of our tax dollars. We already knew African American men were full of STDs.
"Debate about the origins of syphilis has continued for nearly 500 years, ever since early sixteenth-century Europeans blamed each other, referring to it variously as the Venetian, Naples, or French disease. One hypothesis assumes a New World origin, and holds that sailors who accompanied Columbus and other explorers brought the disease back to Europe. Another explanation is that syphilis was always present in the Old World but was not identified as a separate disease from leprosy before about A.D. 1500. A third possibility is that syphilis developed in both hemispheres from the related diseases bejel and yaws. New studies favor a New World origin.
Syphilis is caused by the bacterium Treponema palladium. Syphilis is passed from person to person through direct contact with a syphilis sore. Sores occur mainly on the external genitals, vagina, anus, or in the rectum. Sores also can occur on the lips and in the mouth. Transmission of the organism occurs during vaginal, anal, or oral sex. Pregnant women with the disease can pass it to the babies they are carrying. Syphilis cannot be spread through contact with toilet seats, doorknobs, swimming pools, hot tubs, bathtubs, shared clothing, or eating utensils."

“Obsidian Princess”

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#45 Oct 5, 2013
focus on this part:

"Debate about the origins of syphilis has continued for nearly 500 years, ever since early sixteenth-century Europeans blamed each other, referring to it variously as the Venetian, Naples, or French disease. One hypothesis assumes a New World origin, and holds that sailors who accompanied Columbus and other explorers brought the disease back to Europe. Another explanation is that syphilis was always present in the Old World but was not identified as a separate disease from leprosy before about A.D. 1500"

the first people to even know anything about syphillis were EUROPEANS.
kahkem

Lynnwood, WA

#46 Oct 6, 2013
well i would considere batling native americans as buffalo soldiers to be small and even that took place after the civil war. the fact is there is nothing being mentioned anywhere about blacks in US military history until the civil war. This is common sense.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmmilitary1.h...

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#47 Oct 6, 2013
kahkem wrote:
well i would considere batling native americans as buffalo soldiers to be small and even that took place after the civil war. the fact is there is nothing being mentioned anywhere about blacks in US military history until the civil war. This is common sense.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmmilitary1.h...
ummmmmm....

"During the War of 1812, black men accounted for between 15 and 20 percent of enlisted men on all ships and all stations in the United States Navy. Obtaining crewmen was generally the responsibility of the commanding officer, and at sea the color of a man’s skin was much less important than his skills and abilities. While prejudice and racism existed, by 1814 black and white soldiers and sailors fought and died side by side in line of battle and on warship gun decks."

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/parks/resources/...

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#48 Oct 6, 2013
And direct from the US Army website:

Black Soldiers in the Revolutionary War

http://www.army.mil/article/97705/Black_Soldi...

As usual though, the bigots will find something to pick at.

“Obsidian Princess”

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#49 Oct 7, 2013
DerekJ wrote:
And direct from the US Army website:
Black Soldiers in the Revolutionary War
http://www.army.mil/article/97705/Black_Soldi...
As usual though, the bigots will find something to pick at.
made this link one of my favorites. thanks for sharing.

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#50 Oct 7, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
<quoted text>
made this link one of my favorites. thanks for sharing.
You're welcome.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#51 Oct 7, 2013
kahkem wrote:
well i would considere batling native americans as buffalo soldiers to be small and even that took place after the civil war. the fact is there is nothing being mentioned anywhere about blacks in US military history until the civil war. This is common sense.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmmilitary1.h...
The buffalo soldiers were guilty of genocide. How is that insignificant? The total eradication of a race so their land could be stolen. They were worse than the SS.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#52 Oct 7, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
<quoted text>
"Debate about the origins of syphilis has continued for nearly 500 years, ever since early sixteenth-century Europeans blamed each other, referring to it variously as the Venetian, Naples, or French disease. One hypothesis assumes a New World origin, and holds that sailors who accompanied Columbus and other explorers brought the disease back to Europe. Another explanation is that syphilis was always present in the Old World but was not identified as a separate disease from leprosy before about A.D. 1500. A third possibility is that syphilis developed in both hemispheres from the related diseases bejel and yaws. New studies favor a New World origin.
Syphilis is caused by the bacterium Treponema palladium. Syphilis is passed from person to person through direct contact with a syphilis sore. Sores occur mainly on the external genitals, vagina, anus, or in the rectum. Sores also can occur on the lips and in the mouth. Transmission of the organism occurs during vaginal, anal, or oral sex. Pregnant women with the disease can pass it to the babies they are carrying. Syphilis cannot be spread through contact with toilet seats, doorknobs, swimming pools, hot tubs, bathtubs, shared clothing, or eating utensils."
Syphilis was unknown in the New World before Spain and Portugal arrived. Most likely it was introduced by their African slaves... or by their Moor ancestors.

From syphilis to smallpox they were a diseased bunch. That is what diversity does to people. They were really mostly Moors and Jews. The ones with the incentive to flee Inquisition era Spain for the Americas.

“Obsidian Princess”

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#53 Oct 8, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Syphilis was unknown in the New World before Spain and Portugal arrived. Most likely it was introduced by their African slaves... or by their Moor ancestors.
From syphilis to smallpox they were a diseased bunch. That is what diversity does to people. They were really mostly Moors and Jews. The ones with the incentive to flee Inquisition era Spain for the Americas.
syphilis was long in Europe before the "discovery" of a world that was new only to the Europeans. the conquistadors brought this ugly disease here, just like they brought so many other killer diseases to the people of the Americas.

now shut up.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#54 Oct 8, 2013
dragonpat wrote:
<quoted text>
syphilis was long in Europe before the "discovery" of a world that was new only to the Europeans. the conquistadors brought this ugly disease here, just like they brought so many other killer diseases to the people of the Americas.

now shut up.
That is what I said. The Moors and the Jews introduced syphilis to Spain and Portugal long before the Americas were discovered.

“Obsidian Princess”

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#55 Oct 8, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
That is what I said. The Moors and the Jews introduced syphilis to Spain and Portugal long before the Americas were discovered.
prove that the MOORS and the jews (whatever that is) introduced syphillis to european, with your lying self.

The exact origin of syphilis is unknown.[2] Two primary theories have been proposed. It is widely agreed upon by historians and anthropologists that syphilis was present among the indigenous peoples of the Americas before Europeans traveled to and from the New World.[3] However, whether strains of syphilis were present in the entire world for millennia, or if the disease was confined to the Americas in the pre-Columbian era, has been debated.[3]
The Columbian theory holds that syphilis was a New World disease brought back by Columbus and Martin Alonso Pinzon. Columbus's voyages to the Americas occurred three years before the Naples syphilis outbreak of 1494.[3] This theory is supported by genetic studies of venereal syphilis and related bacteria, which found a disease intermediate between yaws and syphilis in Guyana, South America.[6][7]
The pre-Columbian theory holds that syphilis was present in Europe before the discovery of the Americas by Europeans.[Some scholars during the 18th and 19th centuries believed that the symptoms of syphilis in its tertiary form were described by Hippocrates in Classical Greece.][8] Skeletons in pre-Columbus Pompeii and Metaponto in Italy with damage somewhat similar to that caused by congenital syphilis have also been found.[9][10][11] However, these claims have not been submitted for peer review, and the evidence that has been made available to other scientists is weak.[12] Nevertheless Douglas W. Owsley, a physical anthropologist at the Smithsonian Institution, and other supporters of this idea, say that many medieval European cases of leprosy, colloquially called lepra, were actually cases of syphilis. Although folklore claimed that syphilis was unknown in Europe until the return of the diseased sailors of the Columbian voyages, Owsley says that "syphilis probably cannot be "blamed"—as it often is—on any geographical area or specific race. The evidence suggests that the disease existed in both hemispheres from prehistoric times. It is only coincidental with the Columbus expeditions that the syphilis previously thought of as "lepra" flared into virulence at the end of the 15th century."[13] Lobdell and Owsley wrote that a European writer who recorded an outbreak of "lepra" in 1303 was "clearly describing syphilis."[13]

[Some scholars during the 18th and 19th centuries believed that the symptoms of syphilis in its tertiary form were described by Hippocrates in Classical Greece.]

[Lobdell and Owsley wrote that a European writer who recorded an outbreak of "lepra" in 1303 was "clearly describing syphilis."]

no matter how you people try to lie about it, syphilis found its origin in EUROPE.

no documented history of symptons relating to "syphilis" in the Americas pre-colombian.
No Comment

New Port Richey, FL

#56 Oct 8, 2013
kahkem wrote:
well i would considere batling native americans as buffalo soldiers to be small and even that took place after the civil war. the fact is there is nothing being mentioned anywhere about blacks in US military history until the civil war. This is common sense.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmmilitary1.h...
You sound like a big crybaby. Nobody talks about "white" soldiers, either, sissyboy....they're JUST "soldiers".
Blacks are the ONLY ones who want race mentioned in every single conversation.
kahkem

Lynnwood, WA

#57 Oct 8, 2013
No Comment wrote:
<quoted text>You sound like a big crybaby. Nobody talks about "white" soldiers, either, sissyboy....they're JUST "soldiers".
Blacks are the ONLY ones who want race mentioned in every single conversation.
and you sound like a big lipped negro troll
kahkem

Lynnwood, WA

#58 Oct 8, 2013
DerekJ wrote:
<quoted text>
ummmmmm....
"During the War of 1812, black men accounted for between 15 and 20 percent of enlisted men on all ships and all stations in the United States Navy. Obtaining crewmen was generally the responsibility of the commanding officer, and at sea the color of a man’s skin was much less important than his skills and abilities. While prejudice and racism existed, by 1814 black and white soldiers and sailors fought and died side by side in line of battle and on warship gun decks."
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/parks/resources/...
this was taken from the link you provided

"The Treaty of Ghent, signed December 24, 1814, to end the War of 1812, removed the hope of liberty for African Americans when it called for mutual restoration of properties. This meant a forced return to slavery of these black servicemen, whose courage in war did not change their official status as property."

the truth is before blacks gained their freedom they were regarded as property, therefore there was never an accurate tally recorded considering the black soldiers and thier units other than witness accounts here and there and that is what these sources base their assumptions on. also during the revolutionary war far more blacks fought with the british and since america was not yet a country the very few blacks who fought with the revolutionaries are not seen as american but more similar to mercenaries who were fighting not for money but the promse of freedom from slavery.

"In response, and because of manpower shortages, Washington lifted the ban on black enlistment in the Continental Army in January 1776. All-black units were formed in Rhode Island and Massachusetts; many were slaves promised freedom for serving in lieu of their masters; another all-African-American unit came from Haiti with French forces. At least 5,000 African-American soldiers fought as Revolutionaries, and at least 20,000 served with the British."

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#59 Oct 8, 2013
kahkem wrote:
<quoted text>this was taken from the link you provided

"The Treaty of Ghent, signed December 24, 1814, to end the War of 1812, removed the hope of liberty for African Americans when it called for mutual restoration of properties. This meant a forced return to slavery of these black servicemen, whose courage in war did not change their official status as property."

the truth is before blacks gained their freedom they were regarded as property, therefore there was never an accurate tally recorded considering the black soldiers and thier units other than witness accounts here and there and that is what these sources base their assumptions on. also during the revolutionary war far more blacks fought with the british and since america was not yet a country the very few blacks who fought with the revolutionaries are not seen as american but more similar to mercenaries who were fighting not for money but the promse of freedom from slavery.

"In response, and because of manpower shortages, Washington lifted the ban on black enlistment in the Continental Army in January 1776. All-black units were formed in Rhode Island and Massachusetts; many were slaves promised freedom for serving in lieu of their masters; another all-African-American unit came from Haiti with French forces. At least 5,000 African-American soldiers fought as Revolutionaries, and at least 20,000 served with the British."
Yeah, I know what I posted and I read it well before I posted it. You think you're imparting some sort knowledge to me? It is not a surprise to me nor any other black person in the US that records of black contributions of the period are incomplete and not necessarily 100% reliable. That is the legacy of the recording of historical non-white contributions in this country. Nonetheless, there were valued and valuable contributions no matter how you want to slice it. Move on.

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