BullDawg Stadium Scoreboard and Turf
Fred

Maitland, FL

#21 Mar 29, 2009
CenTexDave wrote:
From what I read in the Leader-Press, more parents spoke in favor of Coach Lowrey than those that did not. Gee, I'm sorry your daughter sat on the bench during volleyball season. Seemed to me they had a pretty good team, two of the seniors have signed scholarships.
I don't understand why parents don't move to a 2A school district where their little Johnny or Sally will have a better chance of making the team or becoming a cheerleader.

Copperas Cove does not need to waste money on another school at this time. Remember, the student population several years ago wouldn't support 5A status and they dropped to 4A.

One year when we were in the play offs I remember seeing a team Dallas from Lamar High School in Arlington which had over 3,000 students.
CenTexDave

Maitland, FL

#22 Mar 29, 2009
Check some of the Plano Schools - 5000 kids.
That's way too much, but there are a few high schools in Texas with 5000 and even 6000 students.
As it is now, Cove High has the smallest enrollment of any high school in 12-5A, and one of the smallest enrollments in the state in 5-A.
Fred

Maitland, FL

#23 Mar 29, 2009
CenTexDave wrote:
Check some of the Plano Schools - 5000 kids.
That's way too much, but there are a few high schools in Texas with 5000 and even 6000 students.
As it is now, Cove High has the smallest enrollment of any high school in 12-5A, and one of the smallest enrollments in the state in 5-A.
Get in a school that big it is a privilege to ride the bench. A few years back I knew one player who rode the bench into a scholarship at a Jr college. He is now a manager for college athletes trying for the NFL.
TadK

Waco, TX

#24 Mar 30, 2009
Some things people may need to know about this topic.... Just because you see people sign a letter or a pretend letter of intent it does not come with a scholarship. The breakdown usually works as such.... D3 offers no athletic scholarships.... D2 offers partials starting as low as $500 a semester....NAIA offers partials to full....D1 usually offer full ride. JUCOs are relatively inexpensive and can offer a varied amount for a scholarship... but it is only a two year school and the joy of recruiting starts all over again after two years.

This is for football..... when you talk baseball cut everything back alot more because there is very little money in college baseball.
Usually football has the most to offer due to it being one of the biggest money makers for the schools. For instance my son signed a mock letter of intent to go to D3... HSU... it comes with nothing except about a 20K bill for the first year of college. The college will hopefully help with the second year a little if he has a good GPA. As I also found out the D1 requirement for grades is set at a somewhat low level and it is MUCH harder to get into some D3 schools.
PS. I have no idea how much money is in women's sports.
mad taxpayer

Putnam, TX

#25 Mar 30, 2009
Several things: first, I agree with what has been written about overpaying our coaches but we do not need another high school. It just can't be justified. Quarter of a million for the Welches per year. Thats crazy. And don't one of you morons say "sour grapes" because my son didn't start. My sons( plural) all started and for more than 1 year. They also played college football. Going before the board to complain about the Welches salaries would get you as far as going to Washington to complain about taxes. Jack is the most popular man in town and is the most powerful, including the Superintendant, the mayor, or the General.
As far as recruiting and signings are concerned, the is one of Jack most clever deceptions. Tadk and others hit the nail on the head. It is just a PR stunt to, in the long run, help him keep his big salary. He can quote figures and numbers of all of the students that he got into college to play football and calls them scholarships. 100% B.S.If you have not gone thru the recruiring process with the Welches, then in my opinion you have not earned the right to make comments about it. I could name you 50 parents or more who would love to tell their story, and do. If your son played for Jack, then you know what I am talking about. Those of you who have been here a few years and think Jack is the next Tom Landry, then you are ignorant.Ever ask yourself why Jack doesn't get a college job or Tracy a head coaching job? Main reason is it would be a huge cut in salary and power. It is people like you who have us in the situation that we are in. I have never posted before but this thread just "pissed me off".
CenTexDave

Maitland, FL

#26 Mar 30, 2009
I agree we spend way too much money on them, and on football in general. And I agree we do not need another high school.
But remember, around 2001 or so Jack Welch was offered the head coaching job at, if I remember correctly, West Texas A&M. He initially accepted it, had his family in the car and was about halfway there when he changed his mind.
The man is a good coach. He develops these kids. Go talk to them, and it's always "yes sir", "no, sir". That's not to say he hasn't coached some bums. Some of the kids have turned out bad, but the majority of them are good and respectful kids.
mad taxpayer

Putnam, TX

#27 Mar 30, 2009
Dave, I agree with all of your points. Jack is a good football coach. I never said he wasn't. The kids are respectful and are good kids. The post was about something other than these issues. He was going to Texas A&I in Kingsville on the border with Mexico. He changed his mind, according to him for family reasons. It was also a cut in pay with about 1/3 as many football coaches. Dave, I've read many of your post though I normally choose not to post myself. You seem to be a rational thinker. I am not trying to start an argument but is there anything in my post that is wrong in your opinion. You did have a son play didn't you. I was thinking you did but I could be wrong.
CenTexDave

Maitland, FL

#28 Mar 30, 2009
He played but he wasn't any superstar. Wasn't even a starter until midway through his senior year. Then hung up his cleats for good. Now lives in Kentucky because after graduating from college couldn't find a job around here that was worth anything.
As far as your post, I agree he's paid too much. But football is king in this town. He did turn around a doormat program and, wow, look at the results. Hard to argue with that. The thing is he has his brother and son on the payroll (does Josh even teach at the school?) and his wife is also employed by CCISD. With about two dozen assistants lining the sidelines every Friday night it does make you wonder how many assistants he needs, but from what I understand many of them are coaches on the junior high and freshman/JV teams.
I agree we don't need a new high school. I agree with things about the turf and, now, that scoreboard which isn't even paid off. I have heard over the years about some of that recruiting smokescreen and it even hit the Welches head on when their youngest got dumped by Sam Houston State and he had to go to Tarleton State.
CenTexDave

Maitland, FL

#29 Mar 30, 2009
Let me add something else to this scholarship stuff. Last football season Cove had 4 players who made All-State - Tanner Brock, Josh Kasten and Chris Miller (all first team) and Josh Boyce (honorable mention). All were well deserved.
Yet you would think that first team all-state would translate into a bundle of offers from colleges. In this case they didn't. Sure, Tanner Brock got a bundle of offers, and Josh Boyce had quite a few, but Josh Kasten and Chris Miller did not.
To me, that doesn't bode well for the coaching staff in this area. The rap on Miller is he is too short. Hogwash. The kid lead the state in interceptions and interceptions returned for TD's. He's also an excellent return man for kick-offs and can play WR. Not sure what the knock was on Josh Kasten except maybe size - think he's something like 6'3" and 215, not real bulked up for a tight end, but his blocking was superb and he was an excellent receiver when thrown to. Miller ended up signing to play for Air Force Academy (this is probably not an athletic scholarship, but an appointment) and Josh Kasten is going to Hardin Simmons, in Div III. Nothing wrong with that - a fine school, but you would think these coaches could shop them around to where someone would jump at getting a couple of first team all-staters.
Then we have Anthony Mackey who was first team all-state OL as a junior, but he got injured his senior season and didn't play much. Again, there's a fit for him somewhere and they need to find it.
mad taxpayer

Putnam, TX

#30 Mar 30, 2009
Dave I could name you 30 to 40 kids who got screwed in the recruiting process. Talk to Vontez Duffs mom about it. I have. I saw it. Nobody in the history of Cove football got screwed like Jason Mathenia, in my opinion the best football player EVER to come out of Cove ( including Tillman, Duff, Griffin, etc.)Talk to Wayne or Sharon Mathenia. Its not just in football either. Baseball is a pathetic excuse for a program. You can count on 1 hand the number of players that even had a chance to play at the next level over the past 10 years. Coach Jost is pathetic and I've told him so. I could go on and on but I best stop.
CenTexDave

Maitland, FL

#31 Mar 30, 2009
What happened to Duff? He went to Notre Dame and was in the NFL for a while bouncing around. TJ Hollowell from the same class went to Nebraska. You mean these guys weren't on scholarship??
What happened to Mathenia? He initially went to Vandy, then transferred to SHST when that coach got fired.
I know baseball is pathetic. There is no real interest there. Boys' basketball same thing, although Raheem Odomes should get some offers this year.
burp

Ponder, TX

#32 Mar 30, 2009
CenTexDave wrote:
What happened to Duff? He went to Notre Dame and was in the NFL for a while bouncing around. TJ Hollowell from the same class went to Nebraska. You mean these guys weren't on scholarship??
What happened to Mathenia? He initially went to Vandy, then transferred to SHST when that coach got fired.
I know baseball is pathetic. There is no real interest there. Boys' basketball same thing, although Raheem Odomes should get some offers this year.
bitter party of one bitter party of 1
Lang Z

Maitland, FL

#33 Mar 30, 2009
Back to the post title...
is it true? CCISD spent over $300,000 for a "scoreboard" for high school football just a few years ago, now it needs repairs to the tune of $50,000 of which advertizing that generates less that $20,000 per year is supposed to cover the repairs? When the scoreboard was first installed, what were the generated advertising dollars supposed to cover at that time?
Maybe all the dollars generated by going well into playoff season the last 3 years could easily cover said repairs without taking budget funds from CCISD or taxpayers?
Why does a high school need a scoreboard that rivals some NFL fields?
mad taxpayer

Putnam, TX

#34 Mar 31, 2009
Cause Jack Welch wants it!!!!!!!!!
Retired 1SG

Maitland, FL

#35 Mar 31, 2009
If I remember correctly, that scoreboard cost closer to $1M. I never understood how they thought advertising would pay for it. Now it needs repairs. I'd reluctantly repair it because if you don't it will just keep deteriorating until it plain falls down.
Hawk man 1

Killeen, TX

#36 Apr 1, 2009
Plano has 5 high schools. they are broken up into 3 High schools with 11-12th graders, 2 High schools with 9-10th graders. They do that so the buildings do not become Monster size building and so kids can go to a local high school instead of being bused all over town. Has anyone went to the current CCHS lately? It is a monster of a building. It used to be our junior high and was expanded to be our High School. It has been added onto each year, and now is a maze of hallways and offices. The kids have a terrible time getting from class to class and it has a very large admin staff.(justified?) Parking is terrible.( the police have to curtail parking on the residental streets close to the school). Honestly, before you dismiss the idea of a second High School, go and look at it.( it you don't get lost in it).
Fred

Maitland, FL

#37 Apr 1, 2009
Lang Z wrote:
Back to the post title...
is it true? CCISD spent over $300,000 for a "scoreboard" for high school football just a few years ago, now it needs repairs to the tune of $50,000 of which advertizing that generates less that $20,000 per year is supposed to cover the repairs? When the scoreboard was first installed, what were the generated advertising dollars supposed to cover at that time?
Maybe all the dollars generated by going well into playoff season the last 3 years could easily cover said repairs without taking budget funds from CCISD or taxpayers?
Why does a high school need a scoreboard that rivals some NFL fields?
we have 7,000 to 10,000 fans at our hometown highschool football games who enjoy it. course we have other football teams using it + track (i think).
Fred

Maitland, FL

#38 Apr 1, 2009
Parking adjacent to the school was restricted to prevent students on our closed campus from gathering before or after school to hang out, smoke, etc. or making a quick get away to skip classes.

My kids must be smart since they were able to figure out how to go from class to class and arrive on time.

This kids are not in kindergarten any more?
packisback

AOL

#39 Apr 13, 2009
Question?? Does CCISD have nepotism rules - I mean Coach Welch has done a great job but was it him or does he need family on his staff to make him walk on water and could that be one of the reasons he did not take the other job because his staff would have been made up of other people who could think for themselves and have an opinion. Right now everything is Jack's way or no way at all. If hes so great why haven't any of our players made it in the big colleges (Robert at Baylor doesn't count because thats all Robert and his parents doing).
Retired 1SG

Maitland, FL

#40 Apr 13, 2009
Griffin was offered at Tennessee. He chose Houston.

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