Homestead exemption cuts revenue in Cove

May 26, 2012 Full story: Killeen Daily Herald 30

By Mason W. Canales Killeen Daily Herald COPPERAS COVE - A complete homestead tax exemption for 100 percent disabled veterans has city officials searching for ways to recoup the budget losses.

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Kenn Smith

Waco, TX

#21 Jun 8, 2012
PATRIOT wrote:
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Are you saying I would win my bet on who plays golf, but doesn't use the other city amenities?
Patriot, I think that you totally missed my point. It was that all of the activities I mentioned, parks, pools, civic center, library,... are supported by tax money - NONE of them pay their own way. So, when it comes time to pick and choose which ones do you shut down and which do you continue to operate?

Yes, I do play golf although neither as often nor as well as I would like. I am, however, the only city council member who does and to say that I can swing council votes on the course is to ascribe to me far more persuasive capability than I possess. Unfortunately, it happens on forums such as this that it is all too easy to attribute base motives to an individual without understanding the much larger picture. As you just did.

Privatization isn't always the best answer. If we privatized all recreation activities for the city the end result could well be to price participation out of the range of many, if not most, of our residents. No entity is going to take over a city function without seeing a profit in it. We recently studied privitazing our EMS services and found that it would cost us more to privatize them than it costs us to operate them ourselves.

There is a vocal minority in the community who dislike the golf course, as there are vocal minorities who dislike the way we operate our animal shelter, maintain the streets, price water - you name it and someone doesn't like it. We listen to them but in the long run make the decisions which we think are in the long term best interest of the city.

I'm now retired but when I was working I kept a small sign on my desk which read: "Recipe for failure: Try to please everyone". It can't be done.

This is my last post on the subject. If you want to discuss budget or other issues feel free to call me and we will meet for coffee. If you don't care to do that so be it.
PATRIOT

San Antonio, TX

#22 Jun 8, 2012
Kenn Smith wrote:
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Patriot, I think that you totally missed my point. It was that all of the activities I mentioned, parks, pools, civic center, library,... are supported by tax money - NONE of them pay their own way. So, when it comes time to pick and choose which ones do you shut down and which do you continue to operate?
Yes, I do play golf although neither as often nor as well as I would like. I am, however, the only city council member who does and to say that I can swing council votes on the course is to ascribe to me far more persuasive capability than I possess. Unfortunately, it happens on forums such as this that it is all too easy to attribute base motives to an individual without understanding the much larger picture. As you just did.
Privatization isn't always the best answer. If we privatized all recreation activities for the city the end result could well be to price participation out of the range of many, if not most, of our residents. No entity is going to take over a city function without seeing a profit in it. We recently studied privitazing our EMS services and found that it would cost us more to privatize them than it costs us to operate them ourselves.
There is a vocal minority in the community who dislike the golf course, as there are vocal minorities who dislike the way we operate our animal shelter, maintain the streets, price water - you name it and someone doesn't like it. We listen to them but in the long run make the decisions which we think are in the long term best interest of the city.
I'm now retired but when I was working I kept a small sign on my desk which read: "Recipe for failure: Try to please everyone". It can't be done.
This is my last post on the subject. If you want to discuss budget or other issues feel free to call me and we will meet for coffee. If you don't care to do that so be it.
I was actually not going to post to this page again, and I didn't want to post this comment-I didn't want to appear to be trying to get the last word in.

Saying I "totally missed" your point hits me as you being rather arrogant. So you can be better informed, I was a Tax Assessor for one county, the Tax Assessor-Collector for a school district, the tax administrator and business manager for another. I was employed by the State Comptroller's office as an accounts examiner, and by the Motor Vehicle of the State Highway Department as an auditor. I was also employed by the Federal Office of Economic Opportunity as a Grants Manager. From 1982 to 1995, I was a Property Tax Agent representing property owners. I have worked as a consultant to attorneys who litigate Condemnation,(Eminent Domain), issues for property owners. I've never worked on the turnip truck.

The sign on my desk said, "Your problem gets resolved here". There is no problem within the Cove that is going to get resolved on the issue of declining revenue with your approach due to the mind set against it-you think it get's resolved over a cup of coffee and a condescending, patronizing pat on the back as you show me the door, and thank me for coming by.(Look at your council agenda and tell where the Public Comments item is-and I'm sure the mayor have never said that the council can not comment, discuss, or take any action
from the commentator, right)?

If you want to know why our country is in the economic chaos bar ditch right now, it's because the electorate keeps voting in people who have not one clue how to manage the responsibility they have been given. Then they just stay in the 'management by crisis mode' they ran against by promoting the same unworkable, ill-conceived, management/political concepts over and over again, expecting a different results. Most folks will understand the meaning of what I just typed, but there are some that won't.

Well, one day we shall see.
Foo Mann Chew

Copperas Cove, TX

#24 Jun 25, 2012
Yes sir.
ohidontknow

Killeen, TX

#25 Jun 26, 2012
lets look at the edc. the extra money that the police station has to use for clothes allowence oh and how much gas is used in the city cars to do personal things. leave the cop cars at the station and stop driving them home.
Gee-wow

Killeen, TX

#26 Jul 2, 2012
Patriot,
I loved ur last post. I too am a person who has tried to be financially responsible both at home and on my job with the federal government, but lately, on the job, the sending has been totally out of control. I fear for the future of our country that I truely love. I have repeatedly reported gross overages in spending and outright manager malpractice, but with no success because of a broke system. To be more on topic, I offer the following helpful suggestion for this city: I don't know if this still goes on but here is my story. I heard,thur a friend,there would be a car auction (abandanded) at Phil's paint and Body. I went there a couple of days before and saw a car that I was very interested in bidding on. I returned on the day of auction @ 0940hrs.(auction was scheduled to start at 10:00) and was told by one of the employees that the auction started early and was already over. I inquired as to why it started early and was given no reasonable explination. I did some investigation and fond this kind of stuff happens often. I found the "public" auction is , by law avertised in a local newspaper, but that only newspaper is the Lampasas dispatch, a less read one in Copperas Cove. Also I found police officals will "write off" a vehical to a wrecker company rather that offering it to austion, mainly due to advanced storage fees. I discovered this is not legal, as a "written off" vehicle had to meet certain conditions ( NO motor, trans, ect..) This was not the cases. So my solution is : a. Copperas should hold a well advertised open auction to all. b. State required limits as to what a wrecker company can charge should be enforced. c. times and locations should be keep. I believe this would be a small, but legal was of our city to make some needed money and stop some,in my opinion, "undertable" deals going on.
PATRIOT

San Antonio, TX

#27 Jul 2, 2012
Gee-wow wrote:
Patriot,
I loved ur last post. I too am a person who has tried to be financially responsible both at home and on my job with the federal government, but lately, on the job, the sending has been totally out of control. I fear for the future of our country that I truely love. I have repeatedly reported gross overages in spending and outright manager malpractice, but with no success because of a broke system. To be more on topic, I offer the following helpful suggestion for this city: I don't know if this still goes on but here is my story. I heard,thur a friend,there would be a car auction (abandanded) at Phil's paint and Body. I went there a couple of days before and saw a car that I was very interested in bidding on. I returned on the day of auction @ 0940hrs.(auction was scheduled to start at 10:00) and was told by one of the employees that the auction started early and was already over. I inquired as to why it started early and was given no reasonable explination. I did some investigation and fond this kind of stuff happens often. I found the "public" auction is , by law avertised in a local newspaper, but that only newspaper is the Lampasas dispatch, a less read one in Copperas Cove. Also I found police officals will "write off" a vehical to a wrecker company rather that offering it to austion, mainly due to advanced storage fees. I discovered this is not legal, as a "written off" vehicle had to meet certain conditions ( NO motor, trans, ect..) This was not the cases. So my solution is : a. Copperas should hold a well advertised open auction to all. b. State required limits as to what a wrecker company can charge should be enforced. c. times and locations should be keep. I believe this would be a small, but legal was of our city to make some needed money and stop some,in my opinion, "undertable" deals going on.
You have experienced an almost too common way government deals with the public's trust and it's assets. To give you an example how government is getting closer and closer to functioning outside of the State and U.S. Constitutions, The County Judge has barred a citizen from the Commissioner Court meetings because the judge considers the citizen a pain in the butt. The judge doesn't like like what this citizen says during "Public Comments" time, as an agenda item.

"Government of the People, by the People, and for the People", is not some whimsical notion politicians can embrace only during their campaigns. It's the foundation of our Republic. It's what our military folks defend all over the world. I sometimes wonder if some of our biggest "domestic enemies" aren't sitting in the political offices of this country pulling our strings.

I wished I had an answer, but even if I did, and I expressed it, the elected officials I express it to run for cover under a smoke screen of mumbo-jumbo double speak. Well, maybe they will reap what they sow at the polls enough to "get it."
PATRIOT

San Antonio, TX

#28 Jul 2, 2012
Let me clarify the County Judge in my previous post. He is the County Judge from Williamson County.
Wondering

Killeen, TX

#29 Jul 7, 2012
The City Manager is trying to get money to build herself a new City Hall. Watch the news as she gets the present City Hall condemned so she will have a good reason to start the building of her new City Hall. And watch also and you will see that it won't be just a plain, functional city hall building but will be a Taj Mahal of a building that is bigger and fancier than any city hall in twenty counties. She thinks she is being sneaky and the citizens won't realize what she is doing but the citizens of the Cove are as stupid as she thinks we are.
PATRIOT

San Antonio, TX

#30 Jul 7, 2012
Wondering wrote:
The City Manager is trying to get money to build herself a new City Hall. Watch the news as she gets the present City Hall condemned so she will have a good reason to start the building of her new City Hall. And watch also and you will see that it won't be just a plain, functional city hall building but will be a Taj Mahal of a building that is bigger and fancier than any city hall in twenty counties. She thinks she is being sneaky and the citizens won't realize what she is doing but the citizens of the Cove are as stupid as she thinks we are.
Why not hold and conduct city business at, and on, the golf course. All that would be needed then would be folding chairs, flash lights for night sessions, and insect repellent. As for winter hours, don't hold, or conduct, any city business when the outdoor air temperature drops below 40 degrees.

Wearing golfing attire would be optional of course.
Simply Put

United States

#31 Jul 8, 2012
Wondering wrote:
The City Manager is trying to get money to build herself a new City Hall. Watch the news as she gets the present City Hall condemned so she will have a good reason to start the building of her new City Hall. And watch also and you will see that it won't be just a plain, functional city hall building but will be a Taj Mahal of a building that is bigger and fancier than any city hall in twenty counties. She thinks she is being sneaky and the citizens won't realize what she is doing but the citizens of the Cove are as stupid as she thinks we are.
I hope we do get a new city hall and I want it to not only be functional but also be a focal point. This city is growing and its time to move with it. People should be impressed and proud of their seat of government. The founding fathers knew its importance when they designed Washington DC. Our current city hall looks lime the leasing office and laundry room of a mobile home park.

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