Whitehall-Coplay School Board puts off vote on tax break for Ma...

A plan to offer state and local tax incentives for redevelopment of the former Lehigh Valley Dairy property was set back Monday when the Whitehall - Coplay School Board refused to vote on the measure. Full Story
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Whitehall Blah

Allentown, PA

#1 Apr 29, 2009
It is called reorganization.$80,000 is a lot of money. Why is it that these school boards are so hard to deal with. I think the school board should stand at stop lights with buckets and have a car wash to rein in some cash. Their problem is that they just don't get it that the homeowners are taxed to death. Their isn't anymore they can bleed. Why not a restructuring plan. Where are the wastes and what isn't needed any longer.
This school board isn't happy unless it raises taxes.
Whitehall Blah

Allentown, PA

#2 Apr 29, 2009
If they tear down the building, how much will that bring in. Surpressing Jobs that is what we are about throughout the country. I think we need to outsource WCSB. Why don't we outsource the Superintendent and all the principals at least ask for pay cuts. My company had no problems asking me to do the same.
tax payer

Johnstown, PA

#3 Apr 29, 2009
If they get rid of just one (1) of the do nothing, over payed, assistant superintendents, they could safe more then that $80,000
Thanks WCSB

Bethlehem, PA

#4 Apr 29, 2009
$8000,000 over 10 years is a lot of money to have to make up. Add to that no earned income tax and gross receipts tax and the township is also hurt. Plus, the real issue is the property needs major cleanup. For once, the WCSB did the right thing for Whitehall and Coplay.
Nick

Houston, TX

#5 Apr 29, 2009
What's the other option? Leave the windows boarded up and not have any tax income at all. Anyone coming into the cite from Rt. 22 see that building, what a great first impression.
Thanks WCSB

Bethlehem, PA

#6 Apr 29, 2009
The property owner never has to sell the property or even attempt to sell it. The owner gets the tax breaks immediately. Allentown wastes enough money. If they want it to look nice, let them buy it and repair it.
adia

Allentown, PA

#7 Apr 29, 2009
Whitehall Blah wrote:
If they tear down the building, how much will that bring in. Surpressing Jobs that is what we are about throughout the country. I think we need to outsource WCSB. Why don't we outsource the Superintendent and all the principals at least ask for pay cuts. My company had no problems asking me to do the same.
I agree

Since: Mar 07

Bethlehem, PA

#8 Apr 29, 2009
The best "Keystone Opportunity" I know of is to get out of Pennsylvania all together.
Catty Man

Bethlehem, PA

#9 Apr 29, 2009
Dennis Mac wrote:
The best "Keystone Opportunity" I know of is to get out of Pennsylvania all together.
AMEN!
I'm leaving at the end of the summer.
28 yrs is enough for me.
Good riddance to this state!
Others should follow suit if you can!
Shame WCSB

Woodbridge, VA

#10 Apr 29, 2009
I applaud Whitehall Township officials for working on this.

SHAME on the School Board. None will get my vote.....Are they up for re-election this primary? I suggest we find a write-in candidate.

Same thing happend in Easton. School Boards have tunnel vision.

A 10 year KOZ zone will go by in no time and then we will have some real revenue. In the meantime there will be jobs created that will offset the short term of the revenue lost.

This building sat idol for many years. The Whithall-Coplay School Board pretty much ensured the building will stay idol for a lot longer.

Anyone know when the next meeting is?
Anyone know how to petition for an emergency meeting. WCSB...you work for us and don't forget it.
Shame WCSB

Woodbridge, VA

#11 Apr 29, 2009
What investor or developer will clean up a property without and incentive. This building sat idol for many years.

What revenues will be generated in the next 20 years if the property sits vacant?

What revenues will be generated over the next 20 years if it is redeveloped?

The second option has far more benefits than the second option.

Here is a thought, divert some of the millions of dollars the WCSB is going get out of the stimulus to redevelop the Lehigh Valley Dairy and create some real jobs.

I say build the Phantoms Hockey arena there.
Thanks WCSB wrote:
$8000,000 over 10 years is a lot of money to have to make up. Add to that no earned income tax and gross receipts tax and the township is also hurt. Plus, the real issue is the property needs major cleanup. For once, the WCSB did the right thing for Whitehall and Coplay.
street justice

Nazareth, PA

#12 Apr 29, 2009
the school tax is based on the property, not personal income or business income. so the school will not receive any financial gain after the 11 yr. tax free date is reached.

this was a smart move on their part. and if Hozza can't realize this, then he is a bigger fool then i thought.
The Observer

Allentown, PA

#13 Apr 29, 2009
Here's a few thoughts to ponder regarding the WCSD and the
loss of tax revenue from the Dairy. The district is being run by outsiders who have no stack in the community and could care less.
How many of the administrators actually live in the Whitehall-Coplay School District?
How many of the School Board members live below Rt. 22?
What is the District going to do with 12 empty classrooms in the
Middle School and 12 empty classrooms in the Steckel Building
when the new Zephyr elementary school opens in September?
Why do we have Special Ed students from other School Districts
in our buildings? What are we receiving financially for these students?
Why does the varsity W Club have over $50,000 in the bank and the baseball team can't get a scoreboard?
Oh and who audits the Varsity W account when the AD is the treasurer of the group and is driving a Hummer and the AD secretary is driving a JAG?
Wise Guy

Bethlehem, PA

#14 Apr 29, 2009
street justice wrote:
the school tax is based on the property, not personal income or business income. so the school will not receive any financial gain after the 11 yr. tax free date is reached.
this was a smart move on their part. and if Hozza can't realize this, then he is a bigger fool then i thought.
Hey Moron, if the property is developed by a major employer, the property value will increase and so will the property taxes and thus increased revenues to the School District. It's Economics 101

Since: Mar 07

Bethlehem, PA

#15 Apr 29, 2009
Catty Man wrote:
<quoted text>
AMEN!
I'm leaving at the end of the summer.
28 yrs is enough for me.
Good riddance to this state!
Others should follow suit if you can!

28 YEARS?! GOD BLESS YOU!
I've only lasted 18 years, and I'm heading south this fall.
Answer to wise guy

Bethlehem, PA

#16 Apr 29, 2009
But the real question is "IF" the property is developed. People are not knocking on anyone's door to build on that land. The present property owner could sit for 10 years on that land, not pay any taxes and then sell the land at the end of the 10 years, after the economy changes, and make a profit. What about the rest of the "eye sore" from Home Depot on down to the Lehigh Valley Dairy. I think we should give them all tax breaks and let the taxpayers in Whitehall pay for them all. I appaud the school board for the foresight to see what could happen and stay out of the politics of Lehigh County and Whitehall Township.
Comment

Bowler, WI

#17 Apr 30, 2009
Maybe, BUTů as a taxpayers in the Township who supports this overtaxing school district, we would realize the benefits of the taxes the Township collects. The surrounding residents would benefits from jobs created. Redevelopment would also improve an eyesore and improve the area and maybe make it more viable. Maybe our Township taxes would not go down, but maybe the new revenue could lessen the burden of tax appeals and the ever rising cost of Township services. How short sighted can this District be? As on poster pointed out, this is in the noise level of the school budget and can easily be made up by attrition of one administrator if they leave or retire.

Riddle me this. How much have our School Districts taxes gone up in the last 12 years as compared to Township Taxes. I am sure the answer would surprise all of us. We all know we are on the downhill slope of new development in the Township. It is understandable how our Township budget is so tight. The school district just seems to keep growing and growning.
street justice wrote:
the school tax is based on the property, not personal income or business income. so the school will not receive any financial gain after the 11 yr. tax free date is reached.
this was a smart move on their part. and if Hozza can't realize this, then he is a bigger fool then i thought.
Garden Lady

Allentown, PA

#18 Apr 30, 2009
The School Board made the right decision at the time. They could not vote either for or against it if they did not have the information of the impact on the district. They are trying to save the taxpayers from from possible unnecessary increase taxes to make up the loss of tax revenue from the site.
There are those who complain about our Whitehall-Coplay school taxes but we are among the lowest in the county. The district is trying to cope with the growing population as well as getting rid of those who lie and sneak their children into the schools while not really legal residents.
I applaud the board for not rushing into this issue uniformed.
informed

Line Lexington, PA

#19 Apr 30, 2009
Answer to wise guy wrote:
But the real question is "IF" the property is developed. People are not knocking on anyone's door to build on that land. The present property owner could sit for 10 years on that land, not pay any taxes and then sell the land at the end of the 10 years, after the economy changes, and make a profit. What about the rest of the "eye sore" from Home Depot on down to the Lehigh Valley Dairy. I think we should give them all tax breaks and let the taxpayers in Whitehall pay for them all. I appaud the school board for the foresight to see what could happen and stay out of the politics of Lehigh County and Whitehall Township.
You are very very wrong. MANY people have knocked on the door to buy or develop this property, including the current owners. The cost of demolition and the cost of Penndot improvements has made many proposals cost prohibitive. A tax break would be a great head start to get this property developed! The rest of the "eyesore" would also get a boost if the dairy is redeveloped. Think of the massive infusion of tax revenue the school district would get in ten years if the dairy and the properties around it were redeveloped. The school district is thinking too short term.
street justice

Nazareth, PA

#20 May 1, 2009
Wise Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Moron, if the property is developed by a major employer, the property value will increase and so will the property taxes and thus increased revenues to the School District. It's Economics 101
" IF ", offer the tax break " WHEN " the deal to develop it is for real, not before.

would you tell your employer to stop paying you now for the possiblity that you " MAY " get a raise sometime later.

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