Pension costs could spike school taxes in 2012

The ink is still drying on this year's budgets, but local school districts are already bracing for a huge increase in employee pension fund payments that could cost local taxpayers millions in 2012. Full Story
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Storm

Whitehall, PA

#187 Jul 16, 2009
35 years wrote:
<quoted text>They certainly don't have to work 35 years to receive their full pension like teachers do.
You are right. Hey did you teach for 35 years???
say no to high paychecks

Allentown, PA

#188 Jul 22, 2009
To Storm,
If you cannot make ends meet on $68,000/year, try $200% less, I paid for a house in 3 1/2 years on my salary how about you? Plus had my pension taken out of my paychecks, how about you? Pretty sad that you have to get a summer job on that salary. It's called DO WITHOUT. Where are these teachers, who take care of our children, on Sundays in church, I have not seen one of them with their children.

“BORN TO UNDULATE !!”

Since: Mar 07

Proud resident of the Valley

#189 Jul 22, 2009
William wrote:
Our elected representatives work for themselves not the taxpayer.
Change the State Constitution and recind these outrageous benefits that the taxpayers don't get.
Does anyone really think they will lower thier own pensions?
Past time for a taxpayer revolt.
We'd be better off with a dictator
You should have typed all that in CAPS...because it is all so true.

One day the taxpayers will join the many taxpayer activist forums and begin to understand how they are being literally raped by our very own legislators. Its like the turnpike 'family'...all for one and one for all!

Taxpayer revolt is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY past time. BUT...it is never too late!

“BORN TO UNDULATE !!”

Since: Mar 07

Proud resident of the Valley

#190 Jul 22, 2009
I teach wrote:
Why did the teacherís receive the bump from 2 to 2.5%? Because the legislators gave themselves a bump from 2.5% to 3%. Rather than look greedy, your elected officials gave state employees (which includes all school district employees) an increase also. Teachers, school district employees and state workers contribute 1/3 of their pension value to the pension system..
PA legislators rank the 2nd highest pay of the 50 states, just behind Calif with $99,000 plus expense accounts, plus the pension, plus paid medical for themselves and their families even after they no longer serve the government. Not bad for a part time job.
You can find teacher salaries on the web. Try to find your local legislators salary.
Ask yourself why you are so angry and resentful of teachers. They do not earn $99,000. They do not receive paid medical for their families after retirement. They do not have expense accounts, cars. They did not give themselves the increase in the pension.
Basically what you are saying is we taxpayers should be p1ssed and align ourselves against our legislators. I could not agree more with you!

But...as we saw in the 2005 legislator PAYGRAB when they gave themselves 34%+ pay raises at 2AM, we taxpayers have very little control. And this is true. All we can do is throw the legislators out the next time we have an election because of their greed. And I couldn't agree more, have been waiting for the taxpayers to grow a set of ba11s and do so.

BUT...in the teachers case we taxpayers DO have some say. Its called a school board directly elected by the immediate members of a given school district...a much smaller section of people that can be assembled by activists groups to oppose higher taxes. And THAT is exactly what you are seeing. People are tired of run away taxes, unions, pick pocket tactics, and more importantly...no say in how we are taxed.

First it will be the taxpayers gaining control of their own school districts. And I hope and pray we can expand that and get control of our voting districts next. No incumbents should be re-elected. A Constitutional Convention should be called and new rules and regs written to stop the legislators from draining our tax base. Period.

“BORN TO UNDULATE !!”

Since: Mar 07

Proud resident of the Valley

#191 Jul 22, 2009
Storm wrote:
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Did you ever think about changing your job? The reason I ask this question is when teachers ask for a raise, people say if you do not like your job, change it. So I am just giving you the same option. Try teaching, you only need to get 30 credits beyond a B.S. one time unless there is a need for in-service training on a new program. Try teaching, you might like it.
Storm.

This entire issue is economic, just as the other thread is. When times were good (is the key here) the legislators passed a cherry of a policy for the teachers and state workers, themselves too, for a guaranteed pension NOT subject to the economy. They did this to gain support of the unions. It worked wonders, didn't it? The legislators got the retention votes they needed because unions were packed then. And the taxpayers now get the shaft-er-roo. Now the burden to pay for this non-economic based lifetime pension falls to the taxpayers. The problem is...the taxpayers don't have the money to pay for it anymore! Hello...have you asked anyone that has a 401K type of retirement account how much the poor economy has damaged their future? Mine is off 55%+. Gone. I sure as he11 can't go to anyone and say...gimme gimme. What makes a teacher, state worker, or legislator any more valuable than a doctor, engineer, or architect for that matter...that those professions should be guaranteed a lifetime taxpayer funded pension? If you need medical attention, something engineered, or something designed...can you do it without the three aforementioned professionals with 401K pensions? I don't think so.

I still have to smirk how we got into this pension fiasco to begin with. The legislators forgot one thing when it came to their shuffling of the bills to guarantee pensions...there are a he11 of a lot more taxpayers NOT in their scam from years ago than are. And those same legislators answer to the taxpayers now.

The legislators have very few recourses to get the taxpayer out of the mess they got us into. One is to pass legislation to push the retirement age up to qualify for these guaranteed pensions (which is currently under consideration...how far, who knows). Another is to find another separate source to tax to funnel money in...one that isn't already an overburden on the taxpayers or the Gov. isn't already eyeing up to attach to. And even if they do that, its another band-aid. Sooner or later the taxpayers will get hit for a huge spike. And they need to prepare for that. Those of us that want to see our property taxes rise 60%(estimated) in one year you can count on one finger.

The way you fight against the taxpayers here Storm...I am begining to wonder who's side you are on.
burdened homeowner

Middletown, NY

#192 Jul 22, 2009
School teachers and administrators should pay double school tax whether they own homes or not.

“Greetings!”

Since: Oct 07

Lehigh Valley

#193 Jul 22, 2009
burdened homeowner wrote:
School teachers and administrators should pay double school tax whether they own homes or not.
Why? Please enlighten me, I really want to know your rationale.
another fed up person

Middletown, NY

#194 Jul 23, 2009
I think remark about teachers and administrators is a back lash about the rising cost of schools. Maybe requiring some vice principals drive buses and perform janitorial work would be nice.
fed up

Allentown, PA

#195 Jul 27, 2009
Maybe STORM can stop whining and give up their pension so the state employees can get their paychecks and not be volunteering their time. How would you like to teach and not get paid?

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