Pension costs could spike school taxe...

Pension costs could spike school taxes in 2012

There are 189 comments on the The Morning Call story from Jul 12, 2009, titled Pension costs could spike school taxes in 2012. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

The ink is still drying on this year's budgets, but local school districts are already bracing for a huge increase in employee pension fund payments that could cost local taxpayers millions in 2012.

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waste

Catasauqua, PA

#1 Jul 12, 2009
Due to ridiculous state laws and regulations, the cost to educate special education students is exorbitant and born by both the state and school districts. Save hundreds of millions of dollars and tell state lawmakers to revisit these laws and use common sense in changing them. Special ed is the downfall of education.
James

United States

#2 Jul 12, 2009
Morning Call taking another shot at teachers.
Tyler

Quakertown, PA

#3 Jul 12, 2009
The taxpayers cannot afford to fund education AND bailout the cushy teacher's retirement fund in 2012 at the same time. It will be one or the other that gets funded. The legislators need to realize this and act in a proactive manner; otherwise we will see a financial collapse of the school districts. This symbiosis between the PSEA and legislators must be discontinued.
Holy Cow

Emmaus, PA

#4 Jul 12, 2009
Utterly ridiculous what we do for teachers. Anybody else out there have that kind of guaranteed pension?
Considering the teachers work for a non-profit organization you'd think it would be more reasonable.

“Cool Logic - Burning Passion”

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#5 Jul 12, 2009
James wrote:
Morning Call taking another shot at teachers.
James...you might be one?

“Cool Logic - Burning Passion”

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#6 Jul 12, 2009
waste wrote:
Due to ridiculous state laws and regulations, the cost to educate special education students is exorbitant and born by both the state and school districts. Save hundreds of millions of dollars and tell state lawmakers to revisit these laws and use common sense in changing them. Special ed is the downfall of education.
Born by whom? I beg to correct you. Born by TAXPAYERS!
Unhappy in Lehigh

Whitehall, PA

#7 Jul 12, 2009
waste wrote:
Due to ridiculous state laws and regulations, the cost to educate special education students is exorbitant and born by both the state and school districts. Save hundreds of millions of dollars and tell state lawmakers to revisit these laws and use common sense in changing them. Special ed is the downfall of education.
I assume that you don't have a child in need of those special education services, so you have no clue how limited those resources are as it is now...

Maybe unnecessary things like SPORTS should be axed from the budget before actual EDUCATION! The schools are there to educate, period. It is time to get back to the basics people.

IMHO, I'd say, unless a sports program pays for itself (i.e. ticket sales at games and donations from alumni and other sources meets or exceeds the COMPLETE costs [equipment, lighting, field/court maintenance, coach salaries, athlete transportation, etc.]), it should not be funded by the taxpayers. Sorry, but their first duty is to educate. They should focus on that one and ONLY goal.
William

United States

#9 Jul 12, 2009
Our elected representatives work for themselves not the taxpayer.
Change the State Constitution and recind these outrageous benefits that the taxpayers don't get.
Does anyone really think they will lower thier own pensions?
Past time for a taxpayer revolt.
We'd be better off with a dictator
AllTalk

Burke, VA

#10 Jul 12, 2009
the politicians voted themselves a raise and didn't realize the implications of doing so...what a bunch of idiots
AllTalk

Burke, VA

#11 Jul 12, 2009
dave wrote:
You teachers can go f yourselves.
I would like to have the ability to
live My life also.
This well is dry, all the teachers say is they want more and will not give up anything.Let the School districts collapse maybe they will get the message.
how about we let schools go back to teaching, get rid of all the thousands of extra sports, special programs, awards, etc etc etc. School has turned into a 'something for everyone' country-club for kids. Just teach the basics and we won't have these money issues!!!
again

Worcester, MA

#12 Jul 12, 2009
Here we go again. Eliminate all the teachers and teach your own kids while you work, let the special education students sell pencils from the street corner, govern yourself or let the king do it, fix and build your own roads, the list goes on and on. We pay for these services through our taxes. The people that work for the state or government pay taxes too. If you don't want to pay for services, move to another country, if you can find one that wants YOU!
snowman allentown PA

Springtown, PA

#13 Jul 12, 2009
AllTalk wrote:
the politicians voted themselves a raise and didn't realize the implications of doing so...what a bunch of idiots
We are the idiots for NOT voting them out.
Bethlehem

Bethlehem, PA

#14 Jul 12, 2009
The sad point is that media covers the stories to get everyone on fire! The average working family cannot afford all the hikes passed on , this is why there are so many foreclosed homes and debt. The teaching is a gift that people take and carry out as the career. It must be hard knowing that ??? students future depend on how you represent yourself and educate them in the classroom. A parent can guide a child at home but they have a different look at a teacher. Bethlehem school district needs to get thier act together before passing another raise though . The tax payers supported the cost for the attorney for A principal that should still be in Jail and let so many retire and get the pensions set before an investigation was done on the bond flipping. There needs to be order set that the tax payers are not always suffering. Not only is the goverment creating so much debt for our kids, but they are taking away the parents being able to sock some money to help them be prepared. I give credit to those who are not raising kids in this mess the goverment is creating!
WE DONT HAVE PENSIONS

Penns Park, PA

#15 Jul 12, 2009
I would LOVE to have a cushy pension like teachers do. Over the past 10 to 15 years pensions have been eliminated by most companies in favor of 401K's. Even the large companies no longer fund pensions like AT&T, Verizon, and many other industries. Now many companies have also stopped the contributions to 401K's leaving the total nut of retirement to you the individual. It is a disgrace that teachers get raises yearly, pay minimally to health insurance and get taxpayer funded pensions. It is time that teachers (who are TOTALLY out of touch with reality and how the real world works) get in line with the rest of us.
Taxpayer Revolution

Allentown, PA

#16 Jul 12, 2009
The taxpayers can either bend over and take it (AGAIN!) or stand up to this nonsense.

Enough is enough!
Taxpayer Revolution

Allentown, PA

#17 Jul 12, 2009
again wrote:
Here we go again. Eliminate all the teachers and teach your own kids while you work, let the special education students sell pencils from the street corner, govern yourself or let the king do it, fix and build your own roads, the list goes on and on. We pay for these services through our taxes. The people that work for the state or government pay taxes too. If you don't want to pay for services, move to another country, if you can find one that wants YOU!
It has never cost more to educate children, and yet we have more than ever who cannot read upon graduation.

THE TAXPAYERS AREN'T GETTING THEIR MONEY'S WORTH!

Get a clue.
Yooooooo

Bangor, PA

#18 Jul 12, 2009
First - if children are not taught at an early age, in school and out, they will be Special. Special Education Students are big bucks for a Public School. Do you get what I'm trying to say.? The poorer the school and the more Special Ed Children, the more money a school gets.

Second - To the wealthy teachers that retire. RETIRE and do not come back and sub. You are taking the job from someone else.

Third - just how many extra paid duties can one teacher have in an eight hour day? Door duty, bus duty, coach, band, school store, and the list goes on and on!
Taxpayer Revolution

Allentown, PA

#19 Jul 12, 2009
William wrote:
Our elected representatives work for themselves not the taxpayer.
Change the State Constitution and recind these outrageous benefits that the taxpayers don't get.
Does anyone really think they will lower thier own pensions?
Past time for a taxpayer revolt.
We'd be better off with a dictator
Time for taxpayers to start paying their taxes with IOU's like the state of CA.

If it's good enough (according to the SEC) for CA, then it's good enough for us.

Politicians have to get the fact that they cannot dip into our pockets whenever they want to.
Bossy Gillis

AOL

#20 Jul 12, 2009
I can remember my insurance agent explaining this debacle to me when it first happened, he told me when the taxpayer got wind of it, they would be incensed. As usual, nobody pays attention when these laws like this are passed in the first place. Look at Cap and Trade, same deal.
GTK

Northampton, PA

#21 Jul 12, 2009
I had a buddy from college whose BONUS was twice my first year teaching salary. He made good money for many years, bought the big house, many cars, and so on...now he is out of work and one of the people complaining about the taxes being too high.

You are yelling at the teachers, but it is you who should have realized the gravy train was not going to last forever and lived within your means. Teachers are forced to do this because they know they will never get the 6-figure bonuses or the other perks, perhaps just a 10% price discount at the snack stand.

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