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Man commits suicide at NRA sponsered 500 race

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Wondering

Perkasie, PA

#1 Apr 15, 2013
Where were the "NRA responsibile" gun owners to prevent his tragedy? At least no innocent bystanders were injured at this race shooting!
Jersey Duke

Quakertown, PA

#2 Apr 15, 2013
I wouldn't pull my gun to try to stop some nut from suicide. If he was tying to shoot some one else, that is different.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#3 Apr 15, 2013
try

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

All suicides
Number of deaths: 38,364

Firearm suicides
Number of deaths: 19,392
Mental Healtheworker

Perkasie, PA

#4 Apr 15, 2013
Jersey Duke wrote:
I wouldn't pull my gun to try to stop some nut from suicide. If he was tying to shoot some one else, that is different.
Your uneducated opinion regarding a suicide victim as "a nut" just contributes to the situation. These individuals need help to deal with their condition and overwhelming life situation NOT your lack of understanding and compassion. I'm sure their loved ones, family and friends feel profound grief and loss. Hopefully they do not have to bear hearing from someone such as you. May you NEVER have to deal with these problems in your life. But, I imagine you will solve them with your gun! I recommend you get help yourself!
Joe

United States

#5 Apr 15, 2013
It is troubling how some elected officials are connecting mental health to gun violence. The vast majority of people suffering from mental conditions are not violent. And thus far it's been established the three shooters from the mass shootings were not suffering from depression or any other illness. But if elected officials want to provide more funding for mental health, that can be a positive.
Huh

Broomall, PA

#6 Apr 15, 2013
Joe wrote:
It is troubling how some elected officials are connecting mental health to gun violence. The vast majority of people suffering from mental conditions are not violent. And thus far it's been established the three shooters from the mass shootings were not suffering from depression or any other illness. But if elected officials want to provide more funding for mental health, that can be a positive.
"It is troubling how some elected officials are connecting mental health to gun violence...And thus far it's been established the three shooters from the mass shootings were not suffering from depression or any other illness."

You're not serious, are you? This debate about guns was started over the Newtown shootings where the gunman, Adam Lanza, was a mental case.

The Aurora shootings were also done by a mental case.

It hasn't been established yet because both cases are currently in process.

When will you lefties realize that normal people don't commit mass shootings...that belongs to people with some sort of mental issues.

To say that most mass murders are sane and just "misunderstood" is a crock of shit and you know it!
Huh

Broomall, PA

#7 Apr 15, 2013
Joe,

If Jarrod Loughner is sane, them I'm the freaking Pope for Christ's sake!
Joe

United States

#8 Apr 15, 2013
"Normal people" with access to guns do committ mass shootings. That's not to say people with mental health problems never commit crimes involving a gun. But the vast majority of gun violence crimes involve people with no mental health illness.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#9 Apr 15, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Where were the "NRA responsibile" gun owners to prevent his tragedy? At least no innocent bystanders were injured at this race shooting!
There is a law prohibiting firearms from being brought into the track. Maybe there should be more signs. Maybe something like "Warning: Severe Penalties for Anyone Who Shoots Themselves in the Head".
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#10 Apr 15, 2013
Joe wrote:
It is troubling how some elected officials are connecting mental health to gun violence. The vast majority of people suffering from mental conditions are not violent. And thus far it's been established the three shooters from the mass shootings were not suffering from depression or any other illness. But if elected officials want to provide more funding for mental health, that can be a positive.
Nobody is claiming everyone with a mental illness is liable to commit gun or any other kind of violence. Certain types of psychiatric disorders, however, are more prone to it, such as paranoid schizophrenia. In any case, there's NO correlation of mass shootings to NRA members and other LEGAL gun owners.

And nobody - in their right mind - thinks the recent shooters were in their right mind. But I do agree more attention needs to be paid to the mentally ill who pose a danger to themselves or others.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#11 Apr 16, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
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There is a law prohibiting firearms from being brought into the track. Maybe there should be more signs. Maybe something like "Warning: Severe Penalties for Anyone Who Shoots Themselves in the Head".
or a metal detector.
Rich Land Rich Man

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Apr 16, 2013
dbar wrote:
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or a metal detector.
All the beer cans and wallet chains would make them irrelevant.
QHomeowner

Newtown Square, PA

#13 Apr 16, 2013
Obviously another "responsible gun owner". NOT!!!
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#14 Apr 16, 2013
QHomeowner wrote:
Obviously another "responsible gun owner". NOT!!!
Yes, he was responsible for his own death. You can't get more responsible than that. Certainly can't blame the NRA or NASCAR.
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#15 Apr 16, 2013
dbar wrote:
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or a metal detector.
So he'd do it in the parking lot instead of the infield.
No law will prevent someone from committing suicide, which is in itself a crime. Anyone who thinks this is in any way, shape or form connected to the NRA, gun control, gun responsibility, or even gun violence in the broader sense is just showing their ignorance. People throw themselves off buildings, bridges, and onto train tracks virtually every day. Guns are just another tool for a mentally ill person who wants to take himself and/or other people out for whatever reason. Take away the guns and they'll use bombs, fire, and hammers if necessary. Guns in the hands of legal gun owners are NOT the problem and never were.

That being said, the existing laws are not even being enforced. Tougher background checks and severe penalties are good ideas that most people could get behind, but if they're just "feel good" laws that don't get enforced, then it's a waste of time and money.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#16 Apr 16, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
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So he'd do it in the parking lot instead of the infield.
No law will prevent someone from committing suicide, which is in itself a crime. Anyone who thinks this is in any way, shape or form connected to the NRA, gun control, gun responsibility, or even gun violence in the broader sense is just showing their ignorance. People throw themselves off buildings, bridges, and onto train tracks virtually every day. Guns are just another tool for a mentally ill person who wants to take himself and/or other people out for whatever reason. Take away the guns and they'll use bombs, fire, and hammers if necessary. Guns in the hands of legal gun owners are NOT the problem and never were.
That being said, the existing laws are not even being enforced. Tougher background checks and severe penalties are good ideas that most people could get behind, but if they're just "feel good" laws that don't get enforced, then it's a waste of time and money.
true but drunk people with guns is usually a bad idea.
so wanting to restrict firearms where alcohol is present makes sense.
so let's look at a current gun incident.
should this guy have his guns?

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-c-lower...

so what do you think would be the proper way to handle such a situation?
Jersey Duke

Quakertown, PA

#17 Apr 16, 2013
Well, since the guy committed a crime with his gun, yes it should be taken away, after due process. So you want to make all bars gun free zones, so the bad guys have another soft target? I don't think so, dumbar!
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#18 Apr 16, 2013
Jersey Duke wrote:
Well, since the guy committed a crime with his gun, yes it should be taken away, after due process. So you want to make all bars gun free zones, so the bad guys have another soft target? I don't think so, dumbar!
and you want drunk patrons carrying guns?
even South Carolina thinks it is a bad idea

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess120_2013-2014...

"This section does not apply to a person carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to and in compliance with Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23; however, the person shall not consume alcoholic liquor, beer, or wine while carrying the concealable weapon on the business's premises. A person who violates this subitem may be charged with a violation of subsection (A).

(2) A business owner or person in legal possession or control of a business may prohibit the carrying of concealable weapons into the business by posting a 'NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED' sign in compliance with Section 23-31-235. A person who carries a concealable weapon into a business with a sign posted in compliance with Section 23-31-235 may be charged with a violation of subsection (A)."

yep South Carolina a hot bed of people wanting to restrict gun owners.
Joe

United States

#19 Apr 16, 2013
Jersey Duke wrote:
Well, since the guy committed a crime with his gun, yes it should be taken away, after due process. So you want to make all bars gun free zones, so the bad guys have another soft target? I don't think so, dumbar!
Yeah, bars and nightclubs should be gun-free zones. I can't believe we have to have this debate.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#20 Apr 16, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>true but drunk people with guns is usually a bad idea.
so wanting to restrict firearms where alcohol is present makes sense.
so let's look at a current gun incident.
should this guy have his guns?

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-c-lower...

so what do you think would be the proper way to handle such a situation?
Sounds like the guy is just a dope, not a threat. But I'm for a minimum mandatory sentence of 5 years state prison time for ANY felony with a gun involved and 10 years for a second offense. Just taking their guns away won't do a thing.

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