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$100 Traffic Ticket Surcharge for Mass Transit

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Perkasie, PA

#1 Jun 14, 2013
Traffic ticket surcharge draws mixed reactions

http://www.wfmz.com/news/news-regional-lehigh...

There's a new plan in Harrisburg to charge drivers an extra $100 if they're caught speeding or violating some other traffic laws. The surcharge would help fund mass transit across the state.

While some are ready to give the plan the green light, others are saying not so fast. The proposal is still being discussed by the House transportation committee.

Some say the surcharge may be too much for motorists.“I don't know if they have to subsidize it by charging people more money for speeding tickets,” said David Kuruvilla from Norristown.

The extra money would go to help fund mass transit in the Commonwealth. PA representative Michael Schlossberg represents Allentown and is on the transportation committee. He has his reservations about the surcharge, but he says mass transit funding would be a big help in Allentown because a lot of people catch the bus to work on a daily basis.

“Mass transit isn't a luxury, it's a vital necessity to our economy," added Schlossberg. "If we don't fund mass transit, quite simply the economy in the Lehigh Valley and in the city of Allentown collapses.”

The proposal could hit a speed bump before even getting out of committee. Some feel that by having the surcharge, police may write fewer tickets so the money may not be as high as expected.

Still others feel every option needs to be looked at as legislators come up with a state budget.“They're looking at very creative ways," said Gary Day, PA representative for parts of Berks and Lehigh counties. "Not just raise your taxes but other ways. So that in itself deserves all of our respect as legislators to look at this menu of ideas and then go back to the people in our district.”

The committee will continue to look at the options for transportation funding but some say they hope charging people caught speeding stays off the radar.“If the public transit can't make enough money on it's own to survive, maybe they need to cut down on the number of buses that they have," said Kuruvilla.

The surcharge is just part of a transportation funding in the state budget. One representative says if the surcharge comes out of the budget, representatives will have to figure out a way to make up that funding.
Joe

Chalfont, PA

#2 Jun 14, 2013
A $100 surcharge is a bit steep, but thank goodness some members of the PA General Assembly understand the importance of mass transit and are addressing ways to fully fund it.
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Perkasie, PA

#3 Jun 14, 2013
Joe wrote:
A $100 surcharge is a bit steep, but thank goodness some members of the PA General Assembly understand the importance of mass transit and are addressing ways to fully fund it.
Mass transit might be important, but not enough people will use it. I do like the idea of making speeders, etc. pay for it.
Septa

Broomall, PA

#4 Jun 14, 2013
Joe wrote:
A $100 surcharge is a bit steep, but thank goodness some members of the PA General Assembly understand the importance of mass transit and are addressing ways to fully fund it.
We nad Septa go as far as Allentown, but it was shut down north of Colmar. To bring it back now would cost a fortune since many sections of track have been paved over for the rails to trails system.

It would be just another government boondoggle.
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Perkasie, PA

#5 Jun 14, 2013
Septa wrote:
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We nad Septa go as far as Allentown, but it was shut down north of Colmar. To bring it back now would cost a fortune since many sections of track have been paved over for the rails to trails system.
It would be just another government boondoggle.
And yet SEPTA wouldn't let PPL build a power line on that right of way, making PPL build a zig-zag line across Springfield Twp.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#6 Jun 14, 2013
Mass transit is the first step in denying us personal Transportation. Rather than funding it, we should be defunding it. I don't want to ever have only a bus or train to take me where I want to go.
This surcharging of fines has got to stop also. It's a way to extract cash without raising taxes. It's also a way to guarantee no Not Guilty verdicts in traffic court. An income increase for the law enforcement industry!
Regards, Terri
Question

Perkasie, PA

#7 Jun 14, 2013
TerryE wrote:
Mass transit is the first step in denying us personal Transportation. Rather than funding it, we should be defunding it. I don't want to ever have only a bus or train to take me where I want to go.
This surcharging of fines has got to stop also. It's a way to extract cash without raising taxes. It's also a way to guarantee no Not Guilty verdicts in traffic court. An income increase for the law enforcement industry!
Regards, Terri
If everyone stops driving their own vehicle, and there are no fines for speeding, how will they fund mass transit? I really think you've lost your mind.
Joe

Chalfont, PA

#8 Jun 14, 2013
Septa wrote:
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We nad Septa go as far as Allentown, but it was shut down north of Colmar. To bring it back now would cost a fortune since many sections of track have been paved over for the rails to trails system.
It would be just another government boondoggle.
The Doylestown SEPTA line should be extended to Allentown-Bethlehem, with stops in Quakertown and Coopersburg. It just a matter of federal funding to make it happen. Unfortunately the House I'd controlled by legislators who don't value the benefits of mass transit. But I have hope that one day it will happen, along with the development of light rail from the Lehigh Valley to NYC.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#9 Jun 15, 2013
At first glance your "answer" seems to make a lot of sense, however upon second and third glances, we realize that mass transit is a trap. First, There will never be a time without private transportation. It's just a question of who will be able to have it. Even in the old Soviet union, there were private cars.
(Chaika, Moskva, GAZ) The problem was they never trickled down to the workers. Workers had to struggle with buses. The US has always enjoyed private ownership of various forms of transportation, Boats, Cars, planes. Let's keep it that way! Mass transit is one of those things that will only affect the other guy. You are someone else's "Other guy"!
Regards, Terri
Question wrote:
<quoted text>If everyone stops driving their own vehicle, and there are no fines for speeding, how will they fund mass transit? I really think you've lost your mind.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#10 Jun 15, 2013
TerryE wrote:
At first glance your "answer" seems to make a lot of sense, however upon second and third glances, we realize that mass transit is a trap. First, There will never be a time without private transportation. It's just a question of who will be able to have it. Even in the old Soviet union, there were private cars.
(Chaika, Moskva, GAZ) The problem was they never trickled down to the workers. Workers had to struggle with buses. The US has always enjoyed private ownership of various forms of transportation, Boats, Cars, planes. Let's keep it that way! Mass transit is one of those things that will only affect the other guy. You are someone else's "Other guy"!
Regards, Terri
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and funding mass transit has nothing to do with denying private transportation.
if you want to own a private vehicle in Manhattan go ahead-no one is stopping you.
it will cost you to do it but that is your choice.
also without mass transit a city like NYC would grind to a halt.
having more options for transportation makes things better not worse.
Info

Broomall, PA

#11 Jun 15, 2013
Joe wrote:
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The Doylestown SEPTA line should be extended to Allentown-Bethlehem, with stops in Quakertown and Coopersburg. It just a matter of federal funding to make it happen. Unfortunately the House I'd controlled by legislators who don't value the benefits of mass transit. But I have hope that one day it will happen, along with the development of light rail from the Lehigh Valley to NYC.
We are $17,000,000,000,000 in debt already. We do not need to spend more money that we do not have!

Mass transit works in urban areas...that already have it. We are suburban/rural, and so is the majority of the state outside the few metro areas we have.

Look at Amtrak...it loses money all the time. We don't need more of what doesn't work. Besides, taxes are used to pay for this, and what would you care...you don't pay taxes!
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#12 Jun 15, 2013
Info wrote:
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We are $17,000,000,000,000 in debt already. We do not need to spend more money that we do not have!
Mass transit works in urban areas...that already have it. We are suburban/rural, and so is the majority of the state outside the few metro areas we have.
Look at Amtrak...it loses money all the time. We don't need more of what doesn't work. Besides, taxes are used to pay for this, and what would you care...you don't pay taxes!
so name the government program or service you personally use that you are willing to give up to reduce that number?
as to taxes why should the residents of those large cities pay for roads in rural areas?
the fuel tax from those rural areas comes nowhere near paying for the roads those folks use.

on a national scale you realize that say a state like Wyoming
population 576,000 gets 1.60 returned for every dollar collected in fuel tax.
so where does that money come from?

http://wyofile.com/geoffrey/gas-tax-or-toll/
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#13 Jun 15, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>so name the government program or service you personally use that you are willing to give up to reduce that number?
as to taxes why should the residents of those large cities pay for roads in rural areas?
the fuel tax from those rural areas comes nowhere near paying for the roads those folks use.

on a national scale you realize that say a state like Wyoming
population 576,000 gets 1.60 returned for every dollar collected in fuel tax.
so where does that money come from?

http://wyofile.com/geoffrey/gas-tax-or-toll/
That's such a lame question - name a govt program or service etc.- yet you constantly ask it. Your point - to blame the Tea Party and the Right for wanting spending cuts as long as it doesn't affect them - is irrelevant as well as unfounded.

This is about increased spending when we can't afford getting any more in debt than we already are. You ignore the need for getting spending and the debt under control. Asking individuals what they would be willing to forgo as a way of criticizing a group that is against borrowing 40 cents for every dollar spent and for more accountability in govt is a bit simplistic, don't you think? Or is it just an excuse for not having any plan at all and a ""reason" for unabated spending.

Happy Father's Day, dbar!
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#14 Jun 16, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
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That's such a lame question - name a govt program or service etc.- yet you constantly ask it. Your point - to blame the Tea Party and the Right for wanting spending cuts as long as it doesn't affect them - is irrelevant as well as unfounded.
This is about increased spending when we can't afford getting any more in debt than we already are. You ignore the need for getting spending and the debt under control. Asking individuals what they would be willing to forgo as a way of criticizing a group that is against borrowing 40 cents for every dollar spent and for more accountability in govt is a bit simplistic, don't you think? Or is it just an excuse for not having any plan at all and a ""reason" for unabated spending.
Happy Father's Day, dbar!
and happy father's day to you as well.
the question i ask never seems to be answered.
where did i mention the tea party?
it is true quite a lot of those folks want to reduce spending on anyone but them.
everyone else can take a haircut,but no cuts for them.
those same people will we willing to take a machete to hack away at social safety nets(of course their safety net is never touched) but never raise their voice when a 760 million dollar fighter does not work.
not a peep.
seems corporate welfare and defense department waste is not on their menu.
care to list the tea party groups that are storming Congress with demands to cut Defense department waste?
after all the fighter planes are being built on borrowed dollars are they not?
and then there are the true hypocrites.

try
this from a left leaning link

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/05/21/2...

"Fincher invoked the Bible in his defense of the devastating cuts, quoting,“The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
At a Holiday Inn in Memphis over the weekend, Fincher expanded on his version of the Christian social gospel:“The role of citizens, of Christians, of humanity is to take care of each other, but not for Washington to steal from those in the country and give to others in the country.”
While Fincher interprets food assistance for the needy as “stealing,” he has not similarly condemned the Farm Bill’s massive agricultural subsidies. In fact, he supported a proposal to expand crop insurance by $9 billion over the next 10 years. Fincher has a great personal stake in maintaining these particular government handouts, as the second most heavily subsidized farmer in Congress and one of the largest subsidy recipients in Tennessee history:
USDA data collected in EWG’s 2013 farm subsidy database update — going live tomorrow –shows that Fincher collected a staggering $3.48 million in “our” money from 1999 to 2012. In 2012 alone, the congressman was cut a government check for a $70,000 direct payment."
KingFish

Newtown Square, PA

#15 Jun 16, 2013
And so IQ & douchbar have now hijacked another worthwhile topic. Not only hijacked it? But, as usual, are now completely off topic. Will you jerks just go and facebook each other or something? You two destroy every thread.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#16 Jun 16, 2013
KingFish wrote:
And so IQ & douchbar have now hijacked another worthwhile topic. Not only hijacked it? But, as usual, are now completely off topic. Will you jerks just go and facebook each other or something? You two destroy every thread.
Geeze, I thought I smelled something. I kicked your butt last time and you're back for more? Why don't you go back to the kiddie section where you belong? That's a good stinkbug...

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#17 Jun 16, 2013
Hey! If you have something to say, Say it! Don't let anyone "Hijack" any thread. The reason they seem to take over is because they are the only ones knowligble enough to comment. You to can be heard! Just learn enough about a subject and don't be intimidated. You give up too easily!
Did your president listen to you today?
Regards, Terri
KingFish wrote:
And so IQ & douchbar have now hijacked another worthwhile topic. Not only hijacked it? But, as usual, are now completely off topic. Will you jerks just go and facebook each other or something? You two destroy every thread.
KingFish

Newtown Square, PA

#18 Jun 16, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
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Geeze, I thought I smelled something. I kicked your butt last time and you're back for more? Why don't you go back to the kiddie section where you belong? That's a good stinkbug...
Why don't you and your alter ego stay the hell on topic. Name Calling as usual. Go back to school and get and education. Take the Commie with you.
KingFish

Newtown Square, PA

#19 Jun 16, 2013
TerryE wrote:
Hey! If you have something to say, Say it! Don't let anyone "Hijack" any thread. The reason they seem to take over is because they are the only ones knowligble enough to comment. You to can be heard! Just learn enough about a subject and don't be intimidated. You give up too easily!
Did your president listen to you today?
Regards, Terri
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Yo Terri. I'm usually on side, but get off it. I was enjoying reading different, yours included, takes on the topic. These two mush brains always get on here and talk garbage and it's never on topic. They just cut and paste shite and think it makes them look like they actually know something. Sometimes I actually like to sit back and learn. I learn nothing from them.
Inquiring Mind

Monroeville, NJ

#20 Jun 16, 2013
KingFish wrote:
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Why don't you and your alter ego stay the hell on topic. Name Calling as usual. Go back to school and get and education. Take the Commie with you.
Pot calling kettle black once again? You're the one hijacking every thread with your RTPD and other obsessions. I was just responding to a post, KingTard. Learn what "alter ego" means, ahole. You're the Commie and a proven liar, too. "Too funny."

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