Obama Starts New War on Natural Gas
ItEnds

Newtown Square, PA

#22 Feb 1, 2013
I forgot to add in the SRECS, and the total math was for 8 years. the 3 we put in plus the 5 more it will take.
WE averaged 60,000/year the first 2 years for the SRECS. Richland TWP's solar farm is a joke, I agree
ItEnds

Newtown Square, PA

#23 Feb 1, 2013
and Solendra failed because they built an automated factory for way too much money, again greedy, that was never going to be able to compete with China. We have plenty of workers who need jobs in this country. Solendra was automating everything, their forklifts drove themselves, their panels were manufactured packaged and shipped almost entirely by automated systems. Almost all the jobs they had were white collar.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#24 Feb 1, 2013
ItEnds wrote:
and Solendra failed because they built an automated factory for way too much money, again greedy, that was never going to be able to compete with China. We have plenty of workers who need jobs in this country. Solendra was automating everything, their forklifts drove themselves, their panels were manufactured packaged and shipped almost entirely by automated systems. Almost all the jobs they had were white collar.
Every solar module assembly plant is highly automated, the technology and high production rework costs demand it.

Most people don't know it, but the fate of Solyndra is the rule not the exception. Virtually every week for the last year, I've received auction notices from bankrupt solar module mfrs and I've bought back equipment for pennies on the dollar.

In the case of Solyndra, mismanagement and a non-competitive product doomed it to failure, not manufacturing robots and automated material handling systems.
OMG

Souderton, PA

#25 Feb 1, 2013
ItEnds wrote:
I forgot to add in the SRECS, and the total math was for 8 years. the 3 we put in plus the 5 more it will take.
WE averaged 60,000/year the first 2 years for the SRECS. Richland TWP's solar farm is a joke, I agree
Richland Twp's solar farm is more then a joke, it was a waste of middle class hard earned money pissed away! Not to mention a photo op for a bunch of fat elected cows!
Barney

Perkasie, PA

#26 Feb 2, 2013
Jersey Duke wrote:
Well DEP does it again. New regulations on fracking for natural gas that will cost the industry millions of dollars and slow down permitting. Fracking is already regulated by all the states. There has never been a documented case of any problems with the process. What are they thinking?
Are you crazy saying "there has never been a documented case of any problems with the process". Take a ride upstate and look at the land that used to be so beautiful. Talk to the people who live there about all the problems they're having, especially water runoff and drinking water quality. This is one time when there isn't near enough regulation.

The only thing you seem to be worried about is it will "cost the industry millions of dollars and slow down permitting". You must have invested a lot of money in frackling.
Anonymous

Quakertown, PA

#27 Feb 2, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
It's you, not Fox News, who is misleading people (and yourself). I am heavily involved in the solar energy sector and it is a VERY inefficient and expensive way of producing energy for large-scale applications in most areas of the U.S..
The majority of solar module manufacturers have never turned a profit and exist only because of government and private funding, dozens have gone belly up, the most famous of which was Solyndra. U.S. companies cannot compete with China and Japan in this sector.
Wind turbine energy is also expensive and problematic because of distribution issues, land rights, bird kills, etc. Research into alternative energy sources is active and ongoing, but commercial feasibility is still far off. It's not greed that's holding it back, there are trillions of dollars waiting for the company or companies that come up with a technology to replace fossil fuels. Even the big oil companies have divisions working on solutions.
If the payback numbers made sense for most people, there would be no need for rebates and incentives. Even with them, it is not a cost-effective solution for most consumers or small businesses.
I'm curious what you know about using thermal energy from the earth's surface. Do people benefit from having their homes partially built into hillsides and utilizing the thermal heat of the earth?
Anonymous

Quakertown, PA

#28 Feb 2, 2013
OMG wrote:
<quoted text>Richland Twp's solar farm is more then a joke, it was a waste of middle class hard earned money pissed away! Not to mention a photo op for a bunch of fat elected cows!
Where's the solar farm located in Richland Twp?
Barney

Perkasie, PA

#29 Feb 2, 2013
RomeoandJuliet wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm curious what you know about using thermal energy from the earth's surface. Do people benefit from having their homes partially built into hillsides and utilizing the thermal heat of the earth?
Depending on how much of the house is built into the hillside and what direction the exposed part is pointing, the house generally stays 55 to 65 deg F without any supplemental heating or cooling.
Barney

Perkasie, PA

#30 Feb 2, 2013
RomeoandJuliet wrote:
<quoted text>
Where's the solar farm located in Richland Twp?
In the old part of Walnut Bank Farm, near Heller Rd.
Jersey Duke

Quakertown, PA

#31 Feb 2, 2013
Barney wrote:
<quoted text>Are you crazy saying "there has never been a documented case of any problems with the process". Take a ride upstate and look at the land that used to be so beautiful. Talk to the people who live there about all the problems they're having, especially water runoff and drinking water quality. This is one time when there isn't near enough regulation.
The only thing you seem to be worried about is it will "cost the industry millions of dollars and slow down permitting". You must have invested a lot of money in frackling.
I doubt that you can document your wild imagination.
Yeah

Broomall, PA

#32 Feb 2, 2013
Barney wrote:
<quoted text>In the old part of Walnut Bank Farm, near Heller Rd.
And it's a $2.5 joke. It was supposed to pay for itself in electricity savings and SREC's, but those SREC's are basically worthless now, at $12, http://srectrade.com/srec_prices.php

when they used to be at $300, and that's what we were sold on.

Look at the chart at the bottom of the page. http://www.srectrade.com/pennsylvania_srec.ph...

It was supposed pay for itself in 7 years, now it looks like we'll all be dead and buried when it finally pays for itself.

We bought into this on Paul Stepanoff's recommendation, and yes, this is Rick Orloff's BFF. Steppy's company got the consulting contract and Richland taxpayers got the shaft.
Just a Person

Quakertown, PA

#33 Feb 2, 2013
Barney wrote:
<quoted text>Are you crazy saying "there has never been a documented case of any problems with the process". Take a ride upstate and look at the land that used to be so beautiful. Talk to the people who live there about all the problems they're having, especially water runoff and drinking water quality. This is one time when there isn't near enough regulation.
The only thing you seem to be worried about is it will "cost the industry millions of dollars and slow down permitting". You must have invested a lot of money in frackling.
Again somebody not living in the area talking about how bad frackling is and all our water well quality. I live in Great Bend, PA, right in the middle of all this drilling and there is not ONE documented case of a well going bad from frackling. And by the way, I do not have any agreement with any gas company for drilling under me so I have no stake in it. As support to show that no wells have been harmed, please find and read the report that Penn State issued and the Federal DEP issued about 3 weeks ago. All this crap about how bad frackling is just not right.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#34 Feb 2, 2013
RomeoandJuliet wrote:
<quoted text>I'm curious what you know about using thermal energy from the earth's surface. Do people benefit from having their homes partially built into hillsides and utilizing the thermal heat of the earth?
I don't know much about geothermal, but where practical, it can work well, especially when combined with passive solar windows above ground. Some years ago, I almosr bought one of these houses in Skippack.
OMG

Souderton, PA

#35 Feb 2, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>
And it's a $2.5 joke. It was supposed to pay for itself in electricity savings and SREC's, but those SREC's are basically worthless now, at $12, http://srectrade.com/srec_prices.php
when they used to be at $300, and that's what we were sold on.
Look at the chart at the bottom of the page. http://www.srectrade.com/pennsylvania_srec.ph...
It was supposed pay for itself in 7 years, now it looks like we'll all be dead and buried when it finally pays for itself.
We bought into this on Paul Stepanoff's recommendation, and yes, this is Rick Orloff's BFF. Steppy's company got the consulting contract and Richland taxpayers got the shaft.
Look at it this way, it'll be paid off before RASA's loan. Another BOS fck-up!
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#36 Feb 2, 2013
Just a Person wrote:
<quoted text>
Again somebody not living in the area talking about how bad frackling is and all our water well quality. I live in Great Bend, PA, right in the middle of all this drilling and there is not ONE documented case of a well going bad from frackling. And by the way, I do not have any agreement with any gas company for drilling under me so I have no stake in it. As support to show that no wells have been harmed, please find and read the report that Penn State issued and the Federal DEP issued about 3 weeks ago. All this crap about how bad frackling is just not right.
try

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/18/chesape...

"The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection fined Chesapeake $900,000 for contaminating water supplies inBradford County,"
Jersey Duke

Quakertown, PA

#37 Feb 2, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
try
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/18/chesape...
"The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection fined Chesapeake $900,000 for contaminating water supplies inBradford County,"
Where was the DEP when the well was drilled and the casing and grouting wasn't done properly? Most likely goofing off in their nice compfy offices, instead of being in the field.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#38 Feb 3, 2013
Jersey Duke wrote:
<quoted text>
Where was the DEP when the well was drilled and the casing and grouting wasn't done properly? Most likely goofing off in their nice compfy offices, instead of being in the field.
and the company that was fined has had trouble before.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the...
the higher road

Quakertown, PA

#39 Feb 3, 2013
I think there should be a requirement that fracking fluid formulas be revealed: the chemicals being used. If the public is being exposed to them we have a right to know what they are.
the higher road

Quakertown, PA

#40 Feb 3, 2013
Barney wrote:
<quoted text>Depending on how much of the house is built into the hillside and what direction the exposed part is pointing, the house generally stays 55 to 65 deg F without any supplemental heating or cooling.
I wish I had the money to build something like that. I'd design it with nice big windows facing south and auto shades to pull down to cut the sun exposure when not needed.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#41 Feb 3, 2013
Simple, It doesn't supply our demand! Just look at a transmission line! They are huge. Furthermore, I looked into installing solar in my home and it was $38,000 The materials, to my mind, didn't ad up to that. Ditto for labor costs. But the real kicker was the $17,000 for a new roof. I think $4,000 would have replaced any roof I might need. So I concluded that it's just more overpriced, chinese crap being foisted off on the American people at high prices, once again! Am I against it? No, I love the idea. I'm against being taken to the cleaners for it.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
ItEnds wrote:
I am still amazed at how we refuse to embrace the solar and wind energy that is freely available. I guess our society's greed always trumps rational thinking. Fox News would have you believe that It is so overwhelmingly expensive to use the renewable energy, that harvesting and burning fossil fules is the ONLY answer. That is what the Oil, Coal, and NG lobbyists feed the news agencies and politicians. I have put a solar array on our commercial building that cost $600,000 after rebates and incentives. It has saved me an average of $2500 a month for the last 3 years. It will completely pay for itself in less than 5 years. Now we have these energy companys building $2 billion dollar NG plants to generate electricity.

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