Obama Starts New War on Natural Gas

Obama Starts New War on Natural Gas

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Since: Oct 09

United States

#1 May 5, 2012
Well DEP does it again. New regulations on fracking for natural gas that will cost the industry millions of dollars and slow down permitting. Fracking is already regulated by all the states. There has never been a documented case of any problems with the process. What are they thinking?
atrea

Scranton, PA

#3 May 5, 2012
Jersey Duke wrote:
Well DEP does it again. New regulations on fracking for natural gas that will cost the industry millions of dollars and slow down permitting. Fracking is already regulated by all the states. There has never been a documented case of any problems with the process. What are they thinking?
As usual you do not know what your talking about.

http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2012/...

"The inci­dent occurred at a clus­ter of Talisman-owned wells located in Ward Town­ship, Tioga County. Accord­ing to StateImpact’s Shale Play app, the com­pany had already incurred 27 vio­la­tions at the 37 Ward wells, for offenses like dis­charg­ing “pol­lu­tional mate­r­ial” and fail­ure to prop­erly store or dis­charge drilling waste.

Tal­is­man oper­ates 166 Penn­syl­va­nia wells, and has racked up more vio­la­tions (238) than any other driller."

and

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/18/chesape...

"The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection fined Chesapeake $900,000 for contaminating water supplies inBradford County, a busy drilling area in the prolific Marcellus shale gas formation, the agency said on Tuesday. It was fined another $188,000 for a fire that injured three workers in February."

Since: Oct 09

United States

#4 May 6, 2012
So it took you all day to find out that the state had handled any problems. Why do we need a new federal standard and the resulting government drones to enforce it, along with the additional costs and delays? The natural gas industry has been a bright spot in and otherwise failed obama presidency, in spite of his policies. Can't have that- we must find a way to stamp out any sucess by private enterprise.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#5 May 6, 2012
try

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/04/us-...

"The proposal also would require companies to reveal chemicals they use in hydraulic fracturing after they complete the process."

also

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/21/natio...

"The Motens and their neighbors suspect their ailments could be tied to the natural gas well. Pare says she is not sure what is causing their problems. But she worries that she may have a hard time determining the exact cause because of a provision in a new Pennsylvania law regulating natural gas production.

The law compels natural gas companies to give inquiring healthcare professionals information about the chemicals used in their drilling and production processes — but only after the doctors or nurses sign a confidentiality agreement.

Some physicians complain that the law is vague and lacks specific guidelines about how they can use and share the information with patients, colleagues and public health officials, putting them at risk of violating the measure. But refusing to sign the confidentiality agreement denies them access to information that could help treat patients.

"I just want to make my patients healthy," Pare said, adding that she might sign an agreement. "And I can't do that if I don't know what it is that's making them sick."

so if the drillers are making you sick you can find out if it is due to the chemicals they are using.
unless you consider people drinking contaminated water from fracking no big deal.

Since: Oct 09

United States

#6 May 6, 2012
"The Motens and their neighbors SUSPECT" We should base more of the government's interference in our society on junk science, like the whole global warming scam!
notoorangeman

Hatfield, PA

#7 May 6, 2012
dbar wrote:
try
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/04/us-...
"The proposal also would require companies to reveal chemicals they use in hydraulic fracturing after they complete the process."
also
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/21/natio...
"The Motens and their neighbors suspect their ailments could be tied to the natural gas well. Pare says she is not sure what is causing their problems. But she worries that she may have a hard time determining the exact cause because of a provision in a new Pennsylvania law regulating natural gas production.
The law compels natural gas companies to give inquiring healthcare professionals information about the chemicals used in their drilling and production processes — but only after the doctors or nurses sign a confidentiality agreement.
Some physicians complain that the law is vague and lacks specific guidelines about how they can use and share the information with patients, colleagues and public health officials, putting them at risk of violating the measure. But refusing to sign the confidentiality agreement denies them access to information that could help treat patients.
"I just want to make my patients healthy," Pare said, adding that she might sign an agreement. "And I can't do that if I don't know what it is that's making them sick."
so if the drillers are making you sick you can find out if it is due to the chemicals they are using.
unless you consider people drinking contaminated water from fracking no big deal.
Lets see if the Duke will drink some of the water from there! Betch he wouldn't touch it but he doesn't care that others have to. OBAMA 2012!
smiley

Sunbury, PA

#8 May 7, 2012
Yea just like the coal mine owners got away with polluting pure natural springs and creeks with sulphur so shall these gas companies get aay with polluting the creeks and rivers up north!

Soon you folks in bucks willbe dealing wit these issue as cabot owns 100 acres and wants to drill out in Nockamixon Twshp.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#9 May 7, 2012
Jersey Duke wrote:
"The Motens and their neighbors SUSPECT" We should base more of the government's interference in our society on junk science, like the whole global warming scam!
amazing how a "birther" like you is afraid to demand the drilling companies tell the people which chemicals they are using.
guess your in the bag for the energy companies.
So the water gets polluted and other people get sick.
tsk-tsk
Miller

Norristown, PA

#10 May 7, 2012
Anti-science people should do us all a favor and refuse to accept any advances in modern medicine. It's all a scam according to them! Maybe they should put their money where their mouth is?

Since: Oct 09

United States

#11 May 7, 2012
notoorangeman wrote:
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Lets see if the Duke will drink some of the water from there! Betch he wouldn't touch it but he doesn't care that others have to. OBAMA 2012!
Wild speculation!
NOBAMA 2012
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#12 May 7, 2012
Jersey Duke wrote:
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Wild speculation!
NOBAMA 2012
then go to the areas were the people are complaining of bad water from fracking and take a good long drink.
you can prove everyone is wrong.
unless you are only brave behind a keyboard.
smiley

Sunbury, PA

#13 May 7, 2012
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
amazing how a "birther" like you is afraid to demand the drilling companies tell the people which chemicals they are using.
guess your in the bag for the energy companies.
So the water gets polluted and other people get sick.
tsk-tsk
Yea dbar and what role is your good government playing in this?

If another person(as in corp_) is endangering someones health then why arent the creeps brought up on criminal charges?
Whats a fine to these companies...nothing more than a smak on the wrist.
Chuk

Allentown, PA

#14 May 7, 2012
I have been to those places. The stories are bull.
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
then go to the areas were the people are complaining of bad water from fracking and take a good long drink.
you can prove everyone is wrong.
unless you are only brave behind a keyboard.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#15 May 7, 2012
Chuk wrote:
I have been to those places. The stories are bull.
<quoted text>
and that's why they got fined 900k?
because they did no wrong.
you must of missed the contamination that led to the fines.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#16 May 7, 2012
smiley wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea dbar and what role is your good government playing in this?
If another person(as in corp_) is endangering someones health then why arent the creeps brought up on criminal charges?
Whats a fine to these companies...nothing more than a smak on the wrist.
go for it.
if the drill boss faced jail he would make sure the job was done right
smiley

Sunbury, PA

#17 May 7, 2012
Chuk wrote:
I have been to those places. The stories are bull.
<quoted text>
Do you have xray vision too??
when they frack it can lead to contaiminating the water supplu in the acquifers.

I guess you also visited the "raped coal regions" where streams and creeks that once provided drinking water and were active sources of food are now contiminated with sulphur.

Sulphur from mines that have been closed for over a half of a century! The pollution still continues and probably always will...
because man destroyed what nature made.
ItEnds

Coopersburg, PA

#18 Feb 1, 2013
I am still amazed at how we refuse to embrace the solar and wind energy that is freely available. I guess our society's greed always trumps rational thinking. Fox News would have you believe that It is so overwhelmingly expensive to use the renewable energy, that harvesting and burning fossil fules is the ONLY answer. That is what the Oil, Coal, and NG lobbyists feed the news agencies and politicians. I have put a solar array on our commercial building that cost $600,000 after rebates and incentives. It has saved me an average of $2500 a month for the last 3 years. It will completely pay for itself in less than 5 years. Now we have these energy companys building $2 billion dollar NG plants to generate electricity.
Jersey Duke

Quakertown, PA

#19 Feb 1, 2013
ItEnds wrote:
I am still amazed at how we refuse to embrace the solar and wind energy that is freely available. I guess our society's greed always trumps rational thinking. Fox News would have you believe that It is so overwhelmingly expensive to use the renewable energy, that harvesting and burning fossil fules is the ONLY answer. That is what the Oil, Coal, and NG lobbyists feed the news agencies and politicians. I have put a solar array on our commercial building that cost $600,000 after rebates and incentives. It has saved me an average of $2500 a month for the last 3 years. It will completely pay for itself in less than 5 years. Now we have these energy companys building $2 billion dollar NG plants to generate electricity.
You can't pay off $600,000 in 5 years by saving $2500 a month.
Not in the math I learned in school!!
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#20 Feb 1, 2013
ItEnds wrote:
I am still amazed at how we refuse to embrace the solar and wind energy that is freely available. I guess our society's greed always trumps rational thinking. Fox News would have you believe that It is so overwhelmingly expensive to use the renewable energy, that harvesting and burning fossil fules is the ONLY answer. That is what the Oil, Coal, and NG lobbyists feed the news agencies and politicians. I have put a solar array on our commercial building that cost $600,000 after rebates and incentives. It has saved me an average of $2500 a month for the last 3 years. It will completely pay for itself in less than 5 years. Now we have these energy companys building $2 billion dollar NG plants to generate electricity.
It's you, not Fox News, who is misleading people (and yourself). I am heavily involved in the solar energy sector and it is a VERY inefficient and expensive way of producing energy for large-scale applications in most areas of the U.S..

The majority of solar module manufacturers have never turned a profit and exist only because of government and private funding, dozens have gone belly up, the most famous of which was Solyndra. U.S. companies cannot compete with China and Japan in this sector.

Wind turbine energy is also expensive and problematic because of distribution issues, land rights, bird kills, etc. Research into alternative energy sources is active and ongoing, but commercial feasibility is still far off. It's not greed that's holding it back, there are trillions of dollars waiting for the company or companies that come up with a technology to replace fossil fuels. Even the big oil companies have divisions working on solutions.

If the payback numbers made sense for most people, there would be no need for rebates and incentives. Even with them, it is not a cost-effective solution for most consumers or small businesses.
OMG

Souderton, PA

#21 Feb 1, 2013
It's a great way to waste taxpayer money though,just look at Richland Twps. solar farms.

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