Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#101 Mar 3, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>again
"a fox "news" reporter uses a GOP press release as their own including the typo."

proof that the reporter was not presenting news he was presenting the GOP view including the mistake.

hardly fair and balanced.
or is that only the GOP press releases are allowed to be news on Fox.
I've said many times FNC leans right. But virtually every show features Liberals as guests and staff contributors. Until you can say the same about the networks and media you watch, listen, and read - they are the most fair and balanced by far.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#102 Mar 3, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
I've said many times FNC leans right. But virtually every show features Liberals as guests and staff contributors. Until you can say the same about the networks and media you watch, listen, and read - they are the most fair and balanced by far.
so in this case was Fox leaning right or repeating right wing?
and that is considered "fair and balanced"?
if you can state that with a straight face you might want to try politics.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#103 Mar 3, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>so in this case was Fox leaning right or repeating right wing?
and that is considered "fair and balanced"?
if you can state that with a straight face you might want to try politics.
If you want to compare examples, I've given you at least three pieces of "dirty" journalism from the MSM. I'll grant you this one from FNC - you owe me two.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#104 Mar 3, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
If you want to compare examples, I've given you at least three pieces of "dirty" journalism from the MSM. I'll grant you this one from FNC - you owe me two.
ok here is four more.

America's Newsroom (9-11 a.m. ET):

Kelly on Sotomayor comment: "sounds to a lot of people like reverse racism." On May 26, co-host Megyn Kelly joined conservative commentators such as Rush Limbaugh by stating that then-Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor's "wise Latina" remark "sounds to a lot of people like reverse racism, basically. Like she's saying that Latina judges are obviously better than white male judges, and that that's her assumption, and people get worried about putting a person like that on the U.S. Supreme Court." Kelly later added, "I've looked at the entire speech that she was offering to see if that was taken out of context, and I have to tell you ... it wasn't." In fact, Sotomayor was specifically discussing the importance of diversity in adjudicating race and sex discrimination cases; several conservative legal figures have made similar comments.

America's Newsroom falsehood: "House Dems vote to protect pedophiles, but not veterans." On May 6, America's Newsroom pushed the falsehood that Democrats attempted to "protect" pedophiles in voting in favor of the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Hemmer teased a segment by stating that Democrats had reportedly "voted to give special protection to pedophiles." During the segment, America's Newsroom ran on-screen text that read, "House Dems vote to protect pedophiles, but not veterans":

America's Newsroom pushes discredited GOP calculation of Obama's cap-and-trade proposal. On April 2, guest host Alisyn Camerota asserted that the cost of Obama's cap-and-trade proposal "would be $3,100 per U.S. household." The claim was advanced by the House Republican Conference in a March 23 "Talking Points" press release, and the Republicans reportedly purported to back up the claim by pointing to a 2007 study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). But MIT professor John Reilly, one of the authors of the study, has disputed the GOP's calculation, stating that his study "has been misrepresented" and that the Republicans' claim of an average household cost of $3,128 is "nearly 10 times the correct estimate" based on his study's cap-and-trade model. PolitiFact.com rated the $3,100 figure a "pants on fire" falsehood.

America's Newsroom falsely claimed Obama budget "4x bigger than Bush's costliest plan." On the April 3 edition of America's Newsroom, on-screen text falsely claimed that Obama's $3.6 trillion FY 2010 budget is "4x bigger than Bush's costliest plan." In fact, President Bush submitted a $3.1 trillion budget for FY 2009 and a $2.9 trillion budget for FY 2008.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#105 Mar 3, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>ok here is four more.

America's Newsroom (9-11 a.m. ET):

Kelly on Sotomayor comment: "sounds to a lot of people like reverse racism." On May 26, co-host Megyn Kelly joined conservative commentators such as Rush Limbaugh by stating that then-Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor's "wise Latina" remark "sounds to a lot of people like reverse racism, basically. Like she's saying that Latina judges are obviously better than white male judges, and that that's her assumption, and people get worried about putting a person like that on the U.S. Supreme Court." Kelly later added, "I've looked at the entire speech that she was offering to see if that was taken out of context, and I have to tell you ... it wasn't." In fact, Sotomayor was specifically discussing the importance of diversity in adjudicating race and sex discrimination cases; several conservative legal figures have made similar comments.

America's Newsroom falsehood: "House Dems vote to protect pedophiles, but not veterans." On May 6, America's Newsroom pushed the falsehood that Democrats attempted to "protect" pedophiles in voting in favor of the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Hemmer teased a segment by stating that Democrats had reportedly "voted to give special protection to pedophiles." During the segment, America's Newsroom ran on-screen text that read, "House Dems vote to protect pedophiles, but not veterans":

America's Newsroom pushes discredited GOP calculation of Obama's cap-and-trade proposal. On April 2, guest host Alisyn Camerota asserted that the cost of Obama's cap-and-trade proposal "would be $3,100 per U.S. household." The claim was advanced by the House Republican Conference in a March 23 "Talking Points" press release, and the Republicans reportedly purported to back up the claim by pointing to a 2007 study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). But MIT professor John Reilly, one of the authors of the study, has disputed the GOP's calculation, stating that his study "has been misrepresented" and that the Republicans' claim of an average household cost of $3,128 is "nearly 10 times the correct estimate" based on his study's cap-and-trade model. PolitiFact.com rated the $3,100 figure a "pants on fire" falsehood.

America's Newsroom falsely claimed Obama budget "4x bigger than Bush's costliest plan." On the April 3 edition of America's Newsroom, on-screen text falsely claimed that Obama's $3.6 trillion FY 2010 budget is "4x bigger than Bush's costliest plan." In fact, President Bush submitted a $3.1 trillion budget for FY 2009 and a $2.9 trillion budget for FY 2008.
You don't provide sources, and I've never watched it, but apparently "America's Newsroom" is a news-talk show, featuring opinion pieces. Hardly on the journalistic level of Dan Rather, Brian Williams, etc.
Back on Topic

Quakertown, PA

#106 Mar 3, 2013
Here's some little known information about the IPCC attempting to boycott the History Channel because their view was contrary to the views on global warming. I thought this was quite interesting:

"The IPCC urges boycott of the History Channel
Comcast Community Forum ^| 6/27/07 | unknown

Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:33:00 PM by libertarianPA

I found this on a Comcast Community forum...

As part of its global disaster series the History Channel has included shows devoted to the Medieval Warming Period and the Little Ice Age claiming that these periods of history really did occur and were responsible for growth of civilizations during the warm periods and plaques and deaths from starvation on the cold periods. They claim that the Medieval Warm Period was a time of plenty when Vikings settled Greenland and the Little Ice Age as a time when the Vikings perished in Greenland, the Mayan civilization disappeared and cold temperatures caused failure of grain crops in Europe causing starvation and the onset of the Black Plaque.

These periods of time are vehemently denied by the International Panel on Climate Control and Al Gore’s office. These supposed periods of history are at odds with the models and theories of the IPCC and with Al Gore’s movie “The Inconvenient Truth” These organizations consider these periods of history as anecdotal or they never did exist.

The IPCC has issued a statement urging protests and a boycott of the History Channel unless these fictitious and outlandish tales are stopped at once. These depictions of history cannot be accurate as they do not fit our model and therefore must be inaccurate. We are demanding that they stop the showing of these programs and replace them with documentaries that show there were hidden areas of earth outside that of known civilizations that experienced historically cold temperatures to balance the record of known civilizations. A UN spokesman also said that there would be an emergency meeting of the IPCC as soon as the weather cools enough to for the members to go to Hawaii.

Al Gore’s office issued a statement saying,“These programs by the History Channel are blatantly fictitious and have been proven false by my many lectures, books and by my movie The Inconvenient Truth. These are settled matters and the only question is what we do now, not what happened in the past. I urge everyone to boycott The History Channel and remember to come to my concerts in July which will prove how warm the earth is getting. Buy your tickets now while they last and don’t forget, I haven’t ruled out running in ‘08 completely.”
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#107 Mar 3, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't provide sources, and I've never watched it, but apparently "America's Newsroom" is a news-talk show, featuring opinion pieces. Hardly on the journalistic level of Dan Rather, Brian Williams, etc.
ok here is the background for one

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/cap-and-trad...

"In a letter sent to House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) on April 1, John Reilly, associate director for research at the MIT Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change, said that the study he coauthored had "been misrepresented in recent press releases distributed by the National Republican Congressional Committee."

http://www.factcheck.org/Images/image/2009/Ar...
Jersey Duke

Quakertown, PA

#108 Mar 4, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't provide sources, and I've never watched it, but apparently "America's Newsroom" is a news-talk show, featuring opinion pieces. Hardly on the journalistic level of Dan Rather, Brian Williams, etc.
Most likely a quote from media matters, a left wing Soros group that pays people to watch Fox and Limbaugh, Savage, etc. and document the "terrible" things they say. When dumbar, a paid schill, for the left, needs help, he can go there for quotes.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#109 Mar 4, 2013
Jersey Duke wrote:
<quoted text>
Most likely a quote from media matters, a left wing Soros group that pays people to watch Fox and Limbaugh, Savage, etc. and document the "terrible" things they say. When dumbar, a paid schill, for the left, needs help, he can go there for quotes.
coming from a birther that is just worth a good belly laugh.
yes quite a lot of the right wing talking heads are factually challenged.
or they are delusional.
sometimes both.
RulesForRadicals

Quakertown, PA

#110 Mar 4, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
coming from a birther that is just worth a good belly laugh.
yes quite a lot of the right wing talking heads are factually challenged.
or they are delusional.
sometimes both.
Typical of lefties: Attack, belittle, marginalize. Just because he questions Obama's nationality doesn't mean that the rest of what he says isn't true.

I think he's right that you are a paid stooge of the left.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#111 Mar 4, 2013
RulesForRadicals wrote:
<quoted text>
Typical of lefties: Attack, belittle, marginalize. Just because he questions Obama's nationality doesn't mean that the rest of what he says isn't true.
I think he's right that you are a paid stooge of the left.
and

Just because he questions Obama's nationality doesn't mean that the rest of what he says is true.
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#112 Mar 4, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
ok here is the background for one
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/cap-and-trad...
"In a letter sent to House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) on April 1, John Reilly, associate director for research at the MIT Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change, said that the study he coauthored had "been misrepresented in recent press releases distributed by the National Republican Congressional Committee."
http://www.factcheck.org/Images/image/2009/Ar...
What does this have to do with news reporting by FNC?
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#113 Mar 4, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
What does this have to do with news reporting by FNC?
they ran with the GOP talking points without checking into the veracity of the GOP claim.
they also did not state they were using those talking points.

they just did the same thing again.
of course the "journalist" is offering opinion.
so in his case ethics goes out the window.

"In a Fox & Friends Saturday interview with NRCC chairman Greg Walden, co-host Tucker Carlson claimed that he was "going through a list here" of supposedly wasteful federal spending projects and crucial programs that are impacted by the mandatory spending cuts required by sequestration, but did not explain where that list originated. Every case of both worthwhile and allegedly worthless spending they discussed had previously been highlighted in a February 28 NRCC press release.

Later in the segment, Carlson asked Walden, "wouldn't it make sense for Republicans to come up with a list, push that list over to the White House, and publicize that list of pointless programs like this that ought to be cut?" Walden replied, "Absolutely."

yep good ole tucker uses a "list" that just happens to mimic the GOP new release.
and then tries to suggest that the GOP make up a list that fox copied from the GOP.
yeah fair and balanced.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#115 Mar 4, 2013
And of course it couldn't just be that Republicans agree on what should be on that list! Most Republicans know a useless and costly program when they see one! Believe me, It's not a conspiracy! If I had the list of gov't programs in front of me, I'd probably pick the same ones with no help from anyone.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
they ran with the GOP talking points without checking into the veracity of the GOP claim.
they also did not state they were using those talking points.
they just did the same thing again.
of course the "journalist" is offering opinion.
so in his case ethics goes out the window.
"In a Fox & Friends Saturday interview with NRCC chairman Greg Walden, co-host Tucker Carlson claimed that he was "going through a list here" of supposedly wasteful federal spending projects and crucial programs that are impacted by the mandatory spending cuts required by sequestration, but did not explain where that list originated. Every case of both worthwhile and allegedly worthless spending they discussed had previously been highlighted in a February 28 NRCC press release.
Later in the segment, Carlson asked Walden, "wouldn't it make sense for Republicans to come up with a list, push that list over to the White House, and publicize that list of pointless programs like this that ought to be cut?" Walden replied, "Absolutely."
yep good ole tucker uses a "list" that just happens to mimic the GOP new release.
and then tries to suggest that the GOP make up a list that fox copied from the GOP.
yeah fair and balanced.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#116 Mar 4, 2013
TerryE wrote:
And of course it couldn't just be that Republicans agree on what should be on that list! Most Republicans know a useless and costly program when they see one! Believe me, It's not a conspiracy! If I had the list of gov't programs in front of me, I'd probably pick the same ones with no help from anyone.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
yep and picking the same exact programs is just pure luck?
if you believe that there is a Nigerian prince that needs help getting currency out of his country.
watch your email.
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#117 Mar 4, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
they ran with the GOP talking points without checking into the veracity of the GOP claim.
they also did not state they were using those talking points.
they just did the same thing again.
of course the "journalist" is offering opinion.
so in his case ethics goes out the window.
"In a Fox & Friends Saturday interview with NRCC chairman Greg Walden, co-host Tucker Carlson claimed that he was "going through a list here" of supposedly wasteful federal spending projects and crucial programs that are impacted by the mandatory spending cuts required by sequestration, but did not explain where that list originated. Every case of both worthwhile and allegedly worthless spending they discussed had previously been highlighted in a February 28 NRCC press release.
Later in the segment, Carlson asked Walden, "wouldn't it make sense for Republicans to come up with a list, push that list over to the White House, and publicize that list of pointless programs like this that ought to be cut?" Walden replied, "Absolutely."
yep good ole tucker uses a "list" that just happens to mimic the GOP new release.
and then tries to suggest that the GOP make up a list that fox copied from the GOP.
yeah fair and balanced.
Who ran with the GOP talking points? I'm trying to keep this to NEWS REPORTING, not opinion. Did anyone from the Sunday shows check Susan Rice's talking-points' lie about Benghazi?

"Fox and Friends" is NOT A NEWS SHOW and Tucker Carlson is a commentator, not a news reporter. You can't seem to keep that difference straight.

Show me a FNC hard news report from an anchor (Bret Baier, Jennifer Griffin, Carl Cameron) that deliberately presented false information, similar to anchors like Dan Rather and Brian Williams, Andrea Mitchell, etc. The latter stellar "journalists" all have stains on their record from their network NEWSCASTS, not from opinion commentary.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#118 Mar 4, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Who ran with the GOP talking points? I'm trying to keep this to NEWS REPORTING, not opinion. Did anyone from the Sunday shows check Susan Rice's talking-points' lie about Benghazi?
"Fox and Friends" is NOT A NEWS SHOW and Tucker Carlson is a commentator, not a news reporter. You can't seem to keep that difference straight.
Show me a FNC hard news report from an anchor (Bret Baier, Jennifer Griffin, Carl Cameron) that deliberately presented false information, similar to anchors like Dan Rather and Brian Williams, Andrea Mitchell, etc. The latter stellar "journalists" all have stains on their record from their network NEWSCASTS, not from opinion commentary.
was Susan Rice running the program.
did she claim to be the journalist?

"Fox's Garrett deceptively cropped Obama remark on judicial role. On May 1, saying it was a "description of how the president hopes his nominee will interpret the law," congressional correspondent Major Garrett aired a clip in which Obama stated: "I view that quality of empathy, of understanding and identifying with people's hopes and struggles, as an essential ingredient for arriving at just decisions and outcomes." Garrett then said: "That aggravates those who believe justices should follow the Constitution and legislative intent." But Garrett omitted Obama's very next sentence, in which he stated: "I will seek somebody who is dedicated to the rule of law, who honors our constitutional traditions, who respects the integrity of the judicial process and the appropriate limits of the judicial role."

"Death book" distortions abound on Fox News Sunday. On the August 23 edition of Fox News Sunday, Chris Wallace hosted former Bush administration aide Jim Towey to discuss his Wall Street Journal op-ed, "The Death Book for Veterans," and in doing so promoted numerous distortions about an end-of-life educational booklet used by the Veterans Health Administration (VHA). In addition to forwarding the smear that the booklet is a "death book," Wallace promoted Towey's distortion that the booklet encourages veterans to "pull the plug" -- it doesn't; Wallace and Towey both suggested that the Bush administration suspended use of the booklet -- it didn't; and Wallace claimed that a VHA document requires doctors to direct veterans to the booklet -- it doesn't."

"On February 22, Wallace claimed that Attorney General Eric Holder "got into office by the skin of his teeth." However, Holder was confirmed by the Senate in a 75-21 vote, and the Senate Judiciary Committee voted 17-2 in favor of reporting his nomination to the full Senate.

Fox News presents deceptively cropped six-month-old Biden clip as new. On March 16, Live Desk co-host Martha MacCallum claimed that "after weeks of economic doom and gloom, the Obama administration is now singing a slightly different tune. Take a look at what was said in recent interviews this weekend." Live Desk then aired clips of administration officials purportedly giving an optimistic view of the economy, which included video of Vice President Joe Biden stating, "The fundamentals of the economy are strong." However, Biden did not make those remarks during an "interview" that weekend; he made them at a September 2008 campaign event in which he criticized statements by Sen. John McCain.
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#119 Mar 4, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
was Susan Rice running the program.
did she claim to be the journalist?
"Fox's Garrett deceptively cropped Obama remark on judicial role. On May 1, saying it was a "description of how the president hopes his nominee will interpret the law," congressional correspondent Major Garrett aired a clip in which Obama stated: "I view that quality of empathy, of understanding and identifying with people's hopes and struggles, as an essential ingredient for arriving at just decisions and outcomes." Garrett then said: "That aggravates those who believe justices should follow the Constitution and legislative intent." But Garrett omitted Obama's very next sentence, in which he stated: "I will seek somebody who is dedicated to the rule of law, who honors our constitutional traditions, who respects the integrity of the judicial process and the appropriate limits of the judicial role."
"Death book" distortions abound on Fox News Sunday. On the August 23 edition of Fox News Sunday, Chris Wallace hosted former Bush administration aide Jim Towey to discuss his Wall Street Journal op-ed, "The Death Book for Veterans," and in doing so promoted numerous distortions about an end-of-life educational booklet used by the Veterans Health Administration (VHA). In addition to forwarding the smear that the booklet is a "death book," Wallace promoted Towey's distortion that the booklet encourages veterans to "pull the plug" -- it doesn't; Wallace and Towey both suggested that the Bush administration suspended use of the booklet -- it didn't; and Wallace claimed that a VHA document requires doctors to direct veterans to the booklet -- it doesn't."
"On February 22, Wallace claimed that Attorney General Eric Holder "got into office by the skin of his teeth." However, Holder was confirmed by the Senate in a 75-21 vote, and the Senate Judiciary Committee voted 17-2 in favor of reporting his nomination to the full Senate.
Fox News presents deceptively cropped six-month-old Biden clip as new. On March 16, Live Desk co-host Martha MacCallum claimed that "after weeks of economic doom and gloom, the Obama administration is now singing a slightly different tune. Take a look at what was said in recent interviews this weekend." Live Desk then aired clips of administration officials purportedly giving an optimistic view of the economy, which included video of Vice President Joe Biden stating, "The fundamentals of the economy are strong." However, Biden did not make those remarks during an "interview" that weekend; he made them at a September 2008 campaign event in which he criticized statements by Sen. John McCain.
My point was that fact-checking ANYTHING, including talking points put out by other people is something that has fallen by the wayside in the wake of the Internet and 24-hour news cycle. The reference to Rice, I admit, was a cheap shot.

Your examples appear to be convincing, but I really can't lend them any credibility since you didn't post your source(s). If it was from MoveOn or a similar liberal hack site, they are well-known for distorting facts and smearing FNC. In fact, O'Reilly has been the subject of these false reports and debunks them regularly with the actual video clips to prove either mis-editing, mis-quoting, or corruption of context.

Since: Oct 09

over here <-------->

#120 Mar 4, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
yep and picking the same exact programs is just pure luck?
if you believe that there is a Nigerian prince that needs help getting currency out of his country.
watch your email.
So you're trying to defend your libs with: b b but the OTHER guys are just as sleazy are WE are...too funny....
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#121 Mar 5, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
My point was that fact-checking ANYTHING, including talking points put out by other people is something that has fallen by the wayside in the wake of the Internet and 24-hour news cycle. The reference to Rice, I admit, was a cheap shot.
Your examples appear to be convincing, but I really can't lend them any credibility since you didn't post your source(s). If it was from MoveOn or a similar liberal hack site, they are well-known for distorting facts and smearing FNC. In fact, O'Reilly has been the subject of these false reports and debunks them regularly with the actual video clips to prove either mis-editing, mis-quoting, or corruption of context.
and billo (or his staff) tried to rework history when he got Malmedy wrong.
he got caught at it.
he was factually wrong and tried to weasel out of it.
people make mistakes so billo is allowed them as well.
the way he tried to correct the error was the biggest fault.

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