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dbar

Quakertown, PA

#81 Mar 2, 2013
Captn Morgan wrote:
<quoted text>
So your defense is "But Mom!, little Dickie did it too!!!"
BTW, Custer Battles was exonerated in court...apparently, the court ignored left wing hysteria.
try

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer_Battles

"In March 2006, a jury found Custer Battles liable for the submission of 5 false claims, each one of which is subject to a US$5,000 -11,000 civil fine, as well as 26 false statements supporting the 5 false claims. However, in August 2006, Judge Ellis, of the Federal District Court in Alexandria, Va overturned the verdict as a matter of law. Judge Ellis's ruling was, in turn, reversed by the Fourth Circuit in April 2009, in effect reinstating the jury verdict."

exonerated-- not the case.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#82 Mar 2, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
What was the connection to Cheney and Halliburton?
would be the KBR subsidiary of haliburton

try

http://cybercemetery.unt.edu/archive/cwc/2011...

"DCAA Case No. 05-020 - Subcontract Irregularities – overbillings – Subcontractor
pricings were dramatically increased during subcontract modifications without adequate
justification. The increased subcontractor pricings may be the result of bribery. The
revised prices were not considered reasonable and resulted in significant overbillings to
the Government. There appears to be an attempt by the prime contractor to cover-up the
irregularities after the fact to prevent detection by audit.

DCAA Case No. 06-032 - Subcontract Irregularities – overbillings and excess profits – A
prime contractor entered into multi-million dollar fixed-price subcontracts with a military
dining facility operator. The prime contractor entered into a significantly overpriced
subcontract when lower prices were available from other qualified operators. The
Government was billed for the excessive subcontract costs. The prime contract is cost
plus award fee, therefore its costs are reimbursed by the Government and its profit and its
award fee are based on total costs. As a result, the higher the total costs for the prime, the
greater the profit.

Since: Oct 09

over here <-------->

#83 Mar 2, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
try
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer_Battles
"In March 2006, a jury found Custer Battles liable for the submission of 5 false claims, each one of which is subject to a US$5,000 -11,000 civil fine, as well as 26 false statements supporting the 5 false claims. However, in August 2006, Judge Ellis, of the Federal District Court in Alexandria, Va overturned the verdict as a matter of law. Judge Ellis's ruling was, in turn, reversed by the Fourth Circuit in April 2009, in effect reinstating the jury verdict."
exonerated-- not the case.
So your saying it's ok for Obama to pick up where Cheney left off and crony capitalism is good.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#84 Mar 2, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>would be the KBR subsidiary of haliburton

try

http://cybercemetery.unt.edu/archive/cwc/2011...

"DCAA Case No. 05-020 - Subcontract Irregularities – overbillings – Subcontractor
pricings were dramatically increased during subcontract modifications without adequate
justification. The increased subcontractor pricings may be the result of bribery. The
revised prices were not considered reasonable and resulted in significant overbillings to
the Government. There appears to be an attempt by the prime contractor to cover-up the
irregularities after the fact to prevent detection by audit.

DCAA Case No. 06-032 - Subcontract Irregularities – overbillings and excess profits – A
prime contractor entered into multi-million dollar fixed-price subcontracts with a military
dining facility operator. The prime contractor entered into a significantly overpriced
subcontract when lower prices were available from other qualified operators. The
Government was billed for the excessive subcontract costs. The prime contract is cost
plus award fee, therefore its costs are reimbursed by the Government and its profit and its
award fee are based on total costs. As a result, the higher the total costs for the prime, the
greater the profit.
I don't want to read 67 pages to find out a tenuous connection of Halliburton to Custer-Battles. My understanding is they were a client, not a principal. You inferred that Cheney and Halliburton were to blame. How?

Since: Oct 09

over here <-------->

#85 Mar 2, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't want to read 67 pages to find out a tenuous connection of Halliburton to Custer-Battles. My understanding is they were a client, not a principal. You inferred that Cheney and Halliburton were to blame. How?
Just look for the section marked "Hysterical Left-Wing Hypocrisy"
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#86 Mar 2, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't want to read 67 pages to find out a tenuous connection of Halliburton to Custer-Battles. My understanding is they were a client, not a principal. You inferred that Cheney and Halliburton were to blame. How?
the cases listed are for haliburton.
custer-battles is seperate,my apologies if i implied halliburton owned custer/battles
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#87 Mar 2, 2013
Captn Morgan wrote:
<quoted text>
So your saying it's ok for Obama to pick up where Cheney left off and crony capitalism is good.
not at all.

you said"BTW, Custer Battles was exonerated in court...apparently, the court ignored left wing hysteria."

guess that was not true.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#88 Mar 2, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>the cases listed are for haliburton.
custer-battles is seperate,my apologies if i implied halliburton owned custer/battles
Ok, thanks for the correction.

Since: Oct 09

over here <-------->

#89 Mar 2, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
not at all.
you said"BTW, Custer Battles was exonerated in court...apparently, the court ignored left wing hysteria."
guess that was not true.
And that's your attempt to deflect from the fact that the current administration is morally and ethically corrupt. I think all of as, as citizens, are fed up with the current system of self-enrichment that goes on in Washington, regardless of party. As a conservative, I find it especially frustrating that the liberals are given a free pass on their excesses by the press and a mostly ill-informed, under-educated, and apathetic public.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#90 Mar 2, 2013
Captn Morgan wrote:
<quoted text>
And that's your attempt to deflect from the fact that the current administration is morally and ethically corrupt. I think all of as, as citizens, are fed up with the current system of self-enrichment that goes on in Washington, regardless of party. As a conservative, I find it especially frustrating that the liberals are given a free pass on their excesses by the press and a mostly ill-informed, under-educated, and apathetic public.
not deflecting from anything.
your opinion on the current admin is merely opinion.
your statements have been in error as recently shown.
liberals are not given any kind of pass.
considering the fact that the right wing has constantly attacked the admin, just one example.

fox news

"DOOCY: Meanwhile, come and get your copy. President Obama's jobs bill, hot off the presses — at Kinko's? Hundreds of billions in tax hikes and new spending bound together with a chintzy clip. Look at that thing.

BRIAN KILMEADE (co-host): Right.

DOOCY: What's that about?

KILMEADE: We've never had the word "chintzy" in the cold open before.

GRETCHEN CARLSON (co-host): We're in a recession.

so the level of attack has degenerated to the level of attacking the President for the paperclip used.

that is the level of scrutiny by the right wing.
if you want to call a paperclip an excess by the administration then you might want to rethink what an excess is.

Since: Oct 09

over here <-------->

#91 Mar 2, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
not deflecting from anything.
your opinion on the current admin is merely opinion.
your statements have been in error as recently shown.
liberals are not given any kind of pass.
considering the fact that the right wing has constantly attacked the admin, just one example.
fox news
"DOOCY: Meanwhile, come and get your copy. President Obama's jobs bill, hot off the presses — at Kinko's? Hundreds of billions in tax hikes and new spending bound together with a chintzy clip. Look at that thing.
BRIAN KILMEADE (co-host): Right.
DOOCY: What's that about?
KILMEADE: We've never had the word "chintzy" in the cold open before.
GRETCHEN CARLSON (co-host): We're in a recession.
so the level of attack has degenerated to the level of attacking the President for the paperclip used.
that is the level of scrutiny by the right wing.
if you want to call a paperclip an excess by the administration then you might want to rethink what an excess is.
I enjoy occasionally checking in on the Q-Town forum as I find the posters are, in general, respectful and well reasoned....that post was pathetic..sorry.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#92 Mar 2, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>not deflecting from anything.
your opinion on the current admin is merely opinion.
your statements have been in error as recently shown.
liberals are not given any kind of pass.
considering the fact that the right wing has constantly attacked the admin, just one example.

fox news

"DOOCY: Meanwhile, come and get your copy. President Obama's jobs bill, hot off the presses — at Kinko's? Hundreds of billions in tax hikes and new spending bound together with a chintzy clip. Look at that thing.

BRIAN KILMEADE (co-host): Right.

DOOCY: What's that about?

KILMEADE: We've never had the word "chintzy" in the cold open before.

GRETCHEN CARLSON (co-host): We're in a recession.

so the level of attack has degenerated to the level of attacking the President for the paperclip used.

that is the level of scrutiny by the right wing.
if you want to call a paperclip an excess by the administration then you might want to rethink what an excess is.
This is from the "Fox and Friends" talk show, it is no more a news show than The View or the Today Show. On broadcast and cable TV, Liberal shows outnumber Conservative shows of this kind by about 10:1.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#93 Mar 3, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
This is from the "Fox and Friends" talk show, it is no more a news show than The View or the Today Show. On broadcast and cable TV, Liberal shows outnumber Conservative shows of this kind by about 10:1.
whenever fox goes over the line they trot out the opinion/entertainment is not news line.
it is a lame excuse.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#94 Mar 3, 2013
Liberals (for the most part) can't get it that Liberalism has risen to the level of a religion to the believers. This means that anyone who is not a believer is evil. It also means that their market share in the market place of ideas is going to be small. They can't understand that only a few people believe in this cult. There is simply too much sacrifice involved to be attractive to most people.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
This is from the "Fox and Friends" talk show, it is no more a news show than The View or the Today Show. On broadcast and cable TV, Liberal shows outnumber Conservative shows of this kind by about 10:1.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#95 Mar 3, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>whenever fox goes over the line they trot out the opinion/entertainment is not news line.
it is a lame excuse.
When did Fox say this? Anyone who watches or is familiar with its programming knows the difference. They don't need to be told about it. If, on the other hand, all that you know about FNC is what you read 4in blogs or hear on Liberal media, you may be confused between FNC entertainment, opinion, and news. Liberals purposely blur the line.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#96 Mar 3, 2013
TerryE wrote:
<quoted text>Liberals (for the most part) can't get it that Liberalism has risen to the level of a religion to the believers. This means that anyone who is not a believer is evil. It also means that their market share in the market place of ideas is going to be small. They can't understand that only a few people believe in this cult. There is simply too much sacrifice involved to be attractive to most people.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
You may be wrong, Terri. Here's what Liberals have going for them (with apologies to George Carlin):

1) People don't want to spend their money to get stuff
2) They don't mind spending other peoples' money to get stuff
3) They don't want to give up any stuff
4) They don't want other people to have better stuff
5) They don't mind taking stuff from other people who have more stuff

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#97 Mar 3, 2013
TRUE! But when they find they're going to be paying for them only in a different form they wake up. At least some of them do.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
You may be wrong, Terri. Here's what Liberals have going for them (with apologies to George Carlin):
1) People don't want to spend their money to get stuff
2) They don't mind spending other peoples' money to get stuff
3) They don't want to give up any stuff
4) They don't want other people to have better stuff
5) They don't mind taking stuff from other people who have more stuff
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#98 Mar 3, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
When did Fox say this? Anyone who watches or is familiar with its programming knows the difference. They don't need to be told about it. If, on the other hand, all that you know about FNC is what you read 4in blogs or hear on Liberal media, you may be confused between FNC entertainment, opinion, and news. Liberals purposely blur the line.
well look at one of their notable news reports

In response to criticism, Fox News claims its news hours are objective. The New York Times reported on October 11 that in response to White House criticism, Fox News claimed that its news hours -- which it reportedly defined as "9 a.m. to 4 p.m. and 6 to 8 p.m. on weekdays" are objective:

In an interview, Mr.[senior vice president for news Michael] Clemente suggested that there was an element of "shoot the messenger" in the back and forth. "Sometimes it's actually helpful to have an organization or a person that you can go up against for whatever reason," he said.

Fox argues that its news hours -- 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. and 6 to 8 p.m. on weekdays -- are objective. The channel has taken pains recently to highlight its news programs, including the two hours led by Shepard Smith, its chief news anchor. And its daytime newscasts draw more viewers than CNN or MSNBC's prime-time programs.

"The average consumer certainly knows the difference between the A section of the newspaper and the editorial page," Mr. Clemente said.

Happening Now (11 a.m.-1 p.m. ET): Home of repeated attempts to pass off GOP research as its own

Happening Now passes off GOP press release as its own research -- typo and all. During the February 10 edition of Happening Now, co-host Jon Scott purported to "take a look back" at how the economic recovery plan "grew, and grew, and grew." In doing so, Scott referenced seven dates, as on-screen graphics cited various news sources from those time periods -- all of which came directly from a Senate Republican Communications Center press release. A Fox News on-screen graphic even reproduced a typo contained in the Republican press release. The following day, Scott apologized -- for running the typo. Scott's apology was criticized by Washington Post media critic and CNN host Howard Kurtz, who said: "We sometimes jab at the pundits for using talking points, but in the case of Fox News anchor Jon Scott, it was literally true this week.... You should be apologizing for using partisan propaganda from the GOP without telling your viewers where it came from. Talk about missing the point."

you were talking about blurring lines?
a fox "news" reporter uses a GOP press release as their own including the typo?
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#99 Mar 3, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>well look at one of their notable news reports

In response to criticism, Fox News claims its news hours are objective. The New York Times reported on October 11 that in response to White House criticism, Fox News claimed that its news hours -- which it reportedly defined as "9 a.m. to 4 p.m. and 6 to 8 p.m. on weekdays" are objective:

In an interview, Mr.[senior vice president for news Michael] Clemente suggested that there was an element of "shoot the messenger" in the back and forth. "Sometimes it's actually helpful to have an organization or a person that you can go up against for whatever reason," he said.

Fox argues that its news hours -- 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. and 6 to 8 p.m. on weekdays -- are objective. The channel has taken pains recently to highlight its news programs, including the two hours led by Shepard Smith, its chief news anchor. And its daytime newscasts draw more viewers than CNN or MSNBC's prime-time programs.

"The average consumer certainly knows the difference between the A section of the newspaper and the editorial page," Mr. Clemente said.

Happening Now (11 a.m.-1 p.m. ET): Home of repeated attempts to pass off GOP research as its own

Happening Now passes off GOP press release as its own research -- typo and all. During the February 10 edition of Happening Now, co-host Jon Scott purported to "take a look back" at how the economic recovery plan "grew, and grew, and grew." In doing so, Scott referenced seven dates, as on-screen graphics cited various news sources from those time periods -- all of which came directly from a Senate Republican Communications Center press release. A Fox News on-screen graphic even reproduced a typo contained in the Republican press release. The following day, Scott apologized -- for running the typo. Scott's apology was criticized by Washington Post media critic and CNN host Howard Kurtz, who said: "We sometimes jab at the pundits for using talking points, but in the case of Fox News anchor Jon Scott, it was literally true this week.... You should be apologizing for using partisan propaganda from the GOP without telling your viewers where it came from. Talk about missing the point."

you were talking about blurring lines?
a fox "news" reporter uses a GOP press release as their own including the typo?
Not sure what your point is. They are entitled to "respond to criticism", aren't they? As far as the news release, it's certainly sloppy journalism, but it's not as bad as NBC purposely mis-editing video clips. And the national media has been guilty many times of running with stories from Liberal blogs without fact checking or corraboration. And let's not forget Dan Rather's unethical reporting of Dubyah's National Guard service. I don't see any Liberals questioning the credibility of the mainstream network's news agencies or opinion programs.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#100 Mar 3, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure what your point is. They are entitled to "respond to criticism", aren't they? As far as the news release, it's certainly sloppy journalism, but it's not as bad as NBC purposely mis-editing video clips. And the national media has been guilty many times of running with stories from Liberal blogs without fact checking or corraboration. And let's not forget Dan Rather's unethical reporting of Dubyah's National Guard service. I don't see any Liberals questioning the credibility of the mainstream network's news agencies or opinion programs.
again
"a fox "news" reporter uses a GOP press release as their own including the typo."

proof that the reporter was not presenting news he was presenting the GOP view including the mistake.

hardly fair and balanced.
or is that only the GOP press releases are allowed to be news on Fox.

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