Do you believe Global Warming fears a...

Since: Oct 09

over here <-------->

#41 Feb 23, 2013
Good point, TerryE. I have many similar memories from the same time era.. Here's another thought: Go walk through any woodland and try and find a tree over 20 in. in diameter. Twenty inches represents about 100 years of growth. The entire East coast was cut and burned for fuel in the 1800's. There are accounts of mammoth log rafts, guided by men with poles, floating down the Delaware to fuel Philly. This unrestricted belching into the atmosphere continued, in one form or another, through the 40's, 50's, and 60's. It would appear Mother Earth barely took note of the insult.
Regardless of this intuitive thinking, I still wish there was reliable data, accumulated and presented by other than opinion driven zealots so we could make data driven decisions instead of emotional ones.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#42 Feb 23, 2013
Captn Morgan wrote:
Good point, TerryE. I have many similar memories from the same time era.. Here's another thought: Go walk through any woodland and try and find a tree over 20 in. in diameter. Twenty inches represents about 100 years of growth. The entire East coast was cut and burned for fuel in the 1800's. There are accounts of mammoth log rafts, guided by men with poles, floating down the Delaware to fuel Philly. This unrestricted belching into the atmosphere continued, in one form or another, through the 40's, 50's, and 60's. It would appear Mother Earth barely took note of the insult.
Regardless of this intuitive thinking, I still wish there was reliable data, accumulated and presented by other than opinion driven zealots so we could make data driven decisions instead of emotional ones.
It's virtually impossible to get a University to sponsor research that might disprove the man-made global warming theory. Grant money's not there and any professor proposing it is isolated and kept from advancement. Nobody wants to kill the goose laying the golden eggs. There is an agenda, and you fall in line or get ostracized by your peers. There are a few brave scientists with contrary views, but they don't get serious scholarly or media attention. They are not kooks either, their credentials are impeccable.

Since: Oct 09

over here <-------->

#43 Feb 23, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
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It's virtually impossible to get a University to sponsor research that might disprove the man-made global warming theory. Grant money's not there and any professor proposing it is isolated and kept from advancement. Nobody wants to kill the goose laying the golden eggs. There is an agenda, and you fall in line or get ostracized by your peers. There are a few brave scientists with contrary views, but they don't get serious scholarly or media attention. They are not kooks either, their credentials are impeccable.
True. That's why I get annoyed at the "peer reviewed" argument. It's like the Apostles peer-reviewing the Bible.
Jersey Duke

Quakertown, PA

#44 Feb 23, 2013
There is NO man caused global warming, no matter how much dumbar squeals, and no matter how many illegitimate sources he quotes. If there is warming, it is caused by differences in the power of the sun or irregularities in the earth's orbit.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#45 Feb 23, 2013
Excellent point! When I was younger, I saw photos taken in late 1800s to early 1900s of areas that I knew to be wooded that were clearcut at the time. Also, I recall hiking through the woods in No NJ and find old stonewall fences, where the farmers had thrown the rocks out of the fields. We always checked these as much as possible for meteorites(Never found one though) These fields were so covered in regrowth that it looked like it had always been forest.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
Captn Morgan wrote:
Good point, TerryE. I have many similar memories from the same time era.. Here's another thought: Go walk through any woodland and try and find a tree over 20 in. in diameter. Twenty inches represents about 100 years of growth. The entire East coast was cut and burned for fuel in the 1800's. There are accounts of mammoth log rafts, guided by men with poles, floating down the Delaware to fuel Philly. This unrestricted belching into the atmosphere continued, in one form or another, through the 40's, 50's, and 60's. It would appear Mother Earth barely took note of the insult.
Regardless of this intuitive thinking, I still wish there was reliable data, accumulated and presented by other than opinion driven zealots so we could make data driven decisions instead of emotional ones.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#46 Feb 23, 2013
Google "Hacked Environmental Emails" if you would like to hear the environmental pigs squeal. "They took it all out of context" is their main complaint. However, It included over 5000 emails, hardly out of context I would say.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
Ivory Tower

Sellersville, PA

#47 Feb 24, 2013
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#48 Feb 24, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
It's virtually impossible to get a University to sponsor research that might disprove the man-made global warming theory. Grant money's not there and any professor proposing it is isolated and kept from advancement. Nobody wants to kill the goose laying the golden eggs. There is an agenda, and you fall in line or get ostracized by your peers. There are a few brave scientists with contrary views, but they don't get serious scholarly or media attention. They are not kooks either, their credentials are impeccable.
and yet no fine Congressman wants to fund a study to prove or disprove man made global warming?
hiring the experts needed for the study?
why has that not happened?
Congress manages to find money for a lot of things but not that?
a republican led House that would like nothing better than to prove that?
sounds like they are missing a great opportunity.
the higher road

Quakertown, PA

#49 Feb 24, 2013
From a biblical perspective, when we were studying the book of Genesis in college (I was a Bible major), the discussion came regarding the firmament above as a layer of water suspended above the surface of the earth as a protection. This "shield" kept the earth at a constant temperature - a tropical forest environment watered by dew rather than rain.

When an asteroid (or numerous ones) struck the earth, it was so devastating that it caused multiple cracks in earth's crust creating world-wide earthquakes and volcanic activity (the ring of fire) and burst the protective shield (causing the 40 days of rain). Along with the earthquakes, the waters beneath surface in caverns burst up from underneath at the same time water fell from the sky. Some believe the asteroids knocked the earth onto it's current tilted axis.

Without the shield, water near the poles froze and the only habitable land immediately following the flood was within 40 degrees or so north and south of the equator - the rest was what is called "the ice age." Ever since this event the earth has been gradually warming more an more.(This is all theoretical since there is no one living who witnessed these things and the Bible does not give details beyond the account of Noah and some other passages in the Old and New Testaments.)

This is the main reason why many conservative people, particularly those who believe the Bible is God's inerrant Word, do not believe that there is anything that humans can do to make any effective impact on what is happening globally.

That's not to say that man's industrial waste and damage has not adversely affected the environment. Just look at the coral reefs and how they are dying from pollution, for instance. It does seem that the earth is able to "bounce back" after devastation but we should be more careful about the chemicals and waste we pour into the rivers, seas and soils around us. We drink that water and rely on it to produce the food we eat.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#50 Feb 24, 2013
I think George has it right! "The Big Electron" WHOOOOOA!
Regards, Terri
Ivory Tower wrote:
I'm in George's corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Fq1FClFptnAXX
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#51 Feb 24, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>and yet no fine Congressman wants to fund a study to prove or disprove man made global warming?
hiring the experts needed for the study?
why has that not happened?
Congress manages to find money for a lot of things but not that?
a republican led House that would like nothing better than to prove that?
sounds like they are missing a great opportunity.
Why do you suppose that is? And Liberals spend all kinds of money on things that are not proven. Congress doesn't "find" money, they use an unlimited credit card that pretty soon we won't be able to afford paying the interest on.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#52 Feb 24, 2013
the higher road wrote:
From a biblical perspective, when we were studying the book of Genesis in college (I was a Bible major), the discussion came regarding the firmament above as a layer of water suspended above the surface of the earth as a protection. This "shield" kept the earth at a constant temperature - a tropical forest environment watered by dew rather than rain.

When an asteroid (or numerous ones) struck the earth, it was so devastating that it caused multiple cracks in earth's crust creating world-wide earthquakes and volcanic activity (the ring of fire) and burst the protective shield (causing the 40 days of rain). Along with the earthquakes, the waters beneath surface in caverns burst up from underneath at the same time water fell from the sky. Some believe the asteroids knocked the earth onto it's current tilted axis.

Without the shield, water near the poles froze and the only habitable land immediately following the flood was within 40 degrees or so north and south of the equator - the rest was what is called "the ice age." Ever since this event the earth has been gradually warming more an more.(This is all theoretical since there is no one living who witnessed these things and the Bible does not give details beyond the account of Noah and some other passages in the Old and New Testaments.)

This is the main reason why many conservative people, particularly those who believe the Bible is God's inerrant Word, do not believe that there is anything that humans can do to make any effective impact on what is happening globally.

That's not to say that man's industrial waste and damage has not adversely affected the environment. Just look at the coral reefs and how they are dying from pollution, for instance. It does seem that the earth is able to "bounce back" after devastation but we should be more careful about the chemicals and waste we pour into the rivers, seas and soils around us. We drink that water and rely on it to produce the food we eat.
Interesting story, but your supposition about Conservatives not caring about pollution is blatantly false. You are buying into Liberal dogma. Climate change has nothing to do with chemical dumping - and to imply it's the fault of one political group is inflammatory and biased.
Anonymous

Quakertown, PA

#53 Feb 24, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting story, but your supposition about Conservatives not caring about pollution is blatantly false. You are buying into Liberal dogma. Climate change has nothing to do with chemical dumping - and to imply it's the fault of one political group is inflammatory and biased.
Huh? The person said "man's" not "conservatives'." You read a slam against conservatives where there isn't one. Paranoid? Sounds more like a criticism of men, conservative or liberal.
Anonymous

Quakertown, PA

#54 Feb 24, 2013
Probably hates men. If there all like you, don't blame her!
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#55 Feb 24, 2013
RomeoandJuliet wrote:
<quoted text>Huh? The person said "man's" not "conservatives'." You read a slam against conservatives where there isn't one. Paranoid? Sounds more like a criticism of men, conservative or liberal.
I know it's a challenge for you to read so many words at one time, so here's a direct quote. Note the word "conservative." Hint: it's the eighth word in.

"This is the main reason why many conservative people, particularly those who believe the Bible is God's inerrant Word, do not believe that there is anything that humans can do to make any effective impact on what is happening globally."
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#56 Feb 24, 2013
RomeoandJuliet wrote:
Probably hates men. If there all like you, don't blame her!
If THEY'RE all like me? Yes, ALL men are just like me (women should be so lucky LOL).
Info

Broomall, PA

#57 Mar 1, 2013
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#58 Mar 1, 2013
Info wrote:
http://thinkingrightblog.com/c ensorship-by-the-politically-c orrect-pt-3-climate-changeglob al-warming/#.UTCpYzcqiSp
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/... #
Interesting.
try james taylor he is a lawyer not a scientist.
so what doess he know about global warming.
he works for

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...

" A July 2011 Nature editorial points out the group's lack of credibility:
"Despite criticizing climate scientists for being overconfident about their data, models and theories, the Heartland Institute proclaims a conspicuous confidence in single studies and grand interpretations....makes many bold assertions that are often questionable or misleading.... Many climate sceptics seem to review scientific data and studies not as scientists but as attorneys, magnifying doubts and treating incomplete explanations as falsehoods rather than signs of progress towards the truth.... The Heartland Institute and its ilk are not trying to build a theory of anything. They have set the bar much lower, and are happy muddying the waters."

he is the "Baghdad Bob" for oil and coal companies.
lokkoh

Rochester, PA

#59 Mar 1, 2013
http://youtube.com/watch... Error is reality
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#60 Mar 1, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
try james taylor he is a lawyer not a scientist.
so what doess he know about global warming.
he works for
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...
" A July 2011 Nature editorial points out the group's lack of credibility:
"Despite criticizing climate scientists for being overconfident about their data, models and theories, the Heartland Institute proclaims a conspicuous confidence in single studies and grand interpretations....makes many bold assertions that are often questionable or misleading.... Many climate sceptics seem to review scientific data and studies not as scientists but as attorneys, magnifying doubts and treating incomplete explanations as falsehoods rather than signs of progress towards the truth.... The Heartland Institute and its ilk are not trying to build a theory of anything. They have set the bar much lower, and are happy muddying the waters."
he is the "Baghdad Bob" for oil and coal companies.
You're citing a Left-wingnut organization and Nature magazine on global warming? Hardly objective opinions.

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