Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#45 Jan 31, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
yet
http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Two-Hunte...
http://www.nbc26.com/news/179963801.html
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dataondemand...
and the rifles used must have a barrel length of 18 inches.
so a bushmaster assault rifle is not allowed.
but to your main point yep you got a lot of people so restricting assault rifles would have no effect on your army.
Hunting accidents happen every year and most of the ones you cite involve human stupidity, not anything tougher gun control laws would have prevented.

A shotgun leaves a much larger hole than a small-caliber, semi-automatic handgun or rifle, which still requires a trigger-squeeze for every bullet fired. So what makes an "assault weapon" that's available to the public exceedingly dangerous?

My understanding is that a pistol grip is the only thing that makes an AR-15 an assault weapon, no grip and it's good to go. Bloomberg's ban is a sneeky way of banning ALL currently legal semi-auto handguns because small clips for them are not on the market.

Seems to be a lot of confusion as to what is an assault weapon. Maybe there should be some agreement before enacting legislation. After all, we want the criminals and homicidal maniacs to comply with the new laws. LOL

http://www.livescience.com/26352-definition-a...
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#46 Jan 31, 2013
OMG wrote:
Interesting slant on things AMERICA'S HUNTERS --- Pretty Amazing!
The world's largest army... America's hunters!
I had never thought about this...
A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:
There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin.
Allow me to restate that number: 600,000
Over the last several months, Wisconsin's hunters became the eighth largest army in
the world.
More men under arms than in Iran.
More than France and Germany combined.
These men deployed to the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin, to hunt with
firearms, and no one was killed.
That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan's 700,000 hunters, all of whom have now returned home safely. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world. And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states. It's millions more.
The point?
America will forever be safe from foreign (OR domestic) invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.
Hunting... it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of national security.
**********
That's why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.
Food for thought, when next we consider gun control.
Overall it's true, so if we disregard some assumptions that hunters don't possess the same skills as soldiers, the question would still remain...
What army of 2 million would want to face 30, 40, 50 million armed citizens???
(I FEEL GOOD THAT WE HAVE AN ARMY OF MILLIONS WHO WOULD PROTECT OUR LAND AND I SURE DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT TAKING CONTROL OF THE POSSESSION OF FIREARMS)
For the sake of our freedom, don't ever allow gun control or confiscation of guns.
added bonus

http://badgerherald.com/news/2010/11/30/2nd_t...

"For only the second time in Wisconsin state history, no one was killed during gun deer season except for deer"

hardly a safety record to brag about.

yet the article brought up a good point.

"Credit also goes to the hunter safety course the DNR has required hunters born after 1973 to take, which has educated more than one million people in the past few decades, Manwell said.

The courses have a strong safety component, and the drop in the number of fatalities has been a result of the cumulative effect of these courses, Manwell said."

sounds like requiring gun owners to educate themselves has positive results.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#47 Jan 31, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Hunting accidents happen every year and most of the ones you cite involve human stupidity, not anything tougher gun control laws would have prevented.
A shotgun leaves a much larger hole than a small-caliber, semi-automatic handgun or rifle, which still requires a trigger-squeeze for every bullet fired. So what makes an "assault weapon" that's available to the public exceedingly dangerous?
My understanding is that a pistol grip is the only thing that makes an AR-15 an assault weapon, no grip and it's good to go. Bloomberg's ban is a sneeky way of banning ALL currently legal semi-auto handguns because small clips for them are not on the market.
Seems to be a lot of confusion as to what is an assault weapon. Maybe there should be some agreement before enacting legislation. After all, we want the criminals and homicidal maniacs to comply with the new laws. LOL
http://www.livescience.com/26352-definition-a...
barrel length is a factor as the bushmaster for example can not be used for deer hunting.
along with overall weapon length.
shotguns are often restricted on the number of shells that can be carried when hunting.
those restrictions are common and most hunters have no problem with them.

yes most of the killings are results of stupidity.
yet see the following post.
requiring gun owners to show they can safely handle weapons has a positive effect.
so why would requiring a gun safety course for gun owners be such a burden?
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#48 Jan 31, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
barrel length is a factor as the bushmaster for example can not be used for deer hunting.
along with overall weapon length.
shotguns are often restricted on the number of shells that can be carried when hunting.
those restrictions are common and most hunters have no problem with them.
yes most of the killings are results of stupidity.
yet see the following post.
requiring gun owners to show they can safely handle weapons has a positive effect.
so why would requiring a gun safety course for gun owners be such a burden?
A gun safety course should be a requirement for obtaining a license or registering a gun IMO. Tough background checks, too, and serious enforcement with severe penalties. However, let's not kid ourselves that any law will keep criminals and lunatics from obtaining assault rifles, automatic weapons, hand grenades, and any number of other ways to kill people.

How many mass murders and street crimes have been committed by lawful gun owners? Chicago, which has one of the toughest gun laws in the country, has had more gun deaths than the number of U.S. casualties in Afghanistan for crying out loud. Let's pursue a solution that really has a chance of preventing what happened in Newton and the other places.

I don't know if anyone has watched the new TV series "The Following" starring Kevin Bacon (who is no doubt a gun control advocate). We watched the pilot on DVR and deleted the second episode because it is HORRIBLE in what it portrays, glamorizing a deranged serial killer who has "groupies" all over the country in his service, torturing and gouging out victims' eyes, with vivid displays of blood and gore. This is what you can expect in every episode as the writers try to outdo the previous one for carnage and ratings.

It is easier to imagine a person with delusions and homicidal tendencies taking his cues from this kind of show than a hunter going berserk or some NRA member turning his AK-47 on a crowd at Wal-Mart. BTW, NO GUN involved on the show, but lots of damage done with ice picks and what not. This is the kind of desensitizing crap the "gun-control" media moguls put on our TV screens nightly. Hypocritical bastards.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#49 Jan 31, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
A gun safety course should be a requirement for obtaining a license or registering a gun IMO. Tough background checks, too, and serious enforcement with severe penalties. However, let's not kid ourselves that any law will keep criminals and lunatics from obtaining assault rifles, automatic weapons, hand grenades, and any number of other ways to kill people.
How many mass murders and street crimes have been committed by lawful gun owners? Chicago, which has one of the toughest gun laws in the country, has had more gun deaths than the number of U.S. casualties in Afghanistan for crying out loud. Let's pursue a solution that really has a chance of preventing what happened in Newton and the other places.
I don't know if anyone has watched the new TV series "The Following" starring Kevin Bacon (who is no doubt a gun control advocate). We watched the pilot on DVR and deleted the second episode because it is HORRIBLE in what it portrays, glamorizing a deranged serial killer who has "groupies" all over the country in his service, torturing and gouging out victims' eyes, with vivid displays of blood and gore. This is what you can expect in every episode as the writers try to outdo the previous one for carnage and ratings.
It is easier to imagine a person with delusions and homicidal tendencies taking his cues from this kind of show than a hunter going berserk or some NRA member turning his AK-47 on a crowd at Wal-Mart. BTW, NO GUN involved on the show, but lots of damage done with ice picks and what not. This is the kind of desensitizing crap the "gun-control" media moguls put on our TV screens nightly. Hypocritical bastards.
the same could be said for "24".



( an edited version meant to be funny.I took the humor from it,yet it would fit your example of using knives)
or the "yosemite sam" cartoons depending on how you want to look at it.
i have not seen the show but if the plot revolved around people using guns for groupies to kill people with gore and body parts flying around would the NRA object to it?
would they object to it being realistic?
or does the shooting of someone supposed to be the hollywood version of you just fall down?
CrippleCreek

Green Bay, WI

#50 Jan 31, 2013
crackpot alert- wrote:
I watched this video and no sources for the crazy allegation were presented. Just some buffoon still pouting from the last election
What did that Canadian Gentleman have to do with the last election?
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#51 Jan 31, 2013
how about the "dr's" credibility?

http://poundpuplegacy.org/node/45036

"Garrow, who goes by the honorific ďDr.,Ē says he obtained a doctoral degree from the North Carolina College of Theology. The college is not an accredited school in North Carolina, and its staff did not return phone calls. Garrow says he did the required course work, but the degree was honorary, granted for his work in China.

In November 2009, Garrow told the Mercury he was among the nominees for the Nobel Peace Prize for his work with Pink Pagoda. U.S. President Barack Obama won the award.

All nominations for the international prize are kept secret for 50 years after they are submitted, but Garrow says he learned he was on the list from the man who nominated him, the president of a Chinese university whose granddaughter was rescued by Pink Pagoda agents.

Garrow says he canít reveal the manís name, the university he heads, or the province heís from because that could put the man in danger."

yep what a source.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#52 Jan 31, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>the same could be said for "24".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =tp19qiash2UXX

( an edited version meant to be funny.I took the humor from it,yet it would fit your example of using knives)
or the "yosemite sam" cartoons depending on how you want to look at it.
i have not seen the show but if the plot revolved around people using guns for groupies to kill people with gore and body parts flying around would the NRA object to it?
would they object to it being realistic?
or does the shooting of someone supposed to be the hollywood version of you just fall down?
I never saw an episode of "24", but there are numerous examples, I'm sure.
Cartoons are not realistic enough to present a problem, although I do think that the so-called "adult" cartoons glorify crudeness and encourage disrespect for parents, teachers, and authority figures.

I must have missed the memo where NRA members approve of serial killings as long as guns are the weapon of choice. I certainly hope your comment wasn't serious.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#53 Jan 31, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
I never saw an episode of "24", but there are numerous examples, I'm sure.
Cartoons are not realistic enough to present a problem, although I do think that the so-called "adult" cartoons glorify crudeness and encourage disrespect for parents, teachers, and authority figures.
I must have missed the memo where NRA members approve of serial killings as long as guns are the weapon of choice. I certainly hope your comment wasn't serious.
never said the NRA approved of serial killers.
the question is how they would want a gunshot person to be portrayed on television?

graphic? as in more realistic?
ole western? when shot in the leg hop to edge of the building and shoot back with the bad guy just falling down?
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#54 Jan 31, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>never said the NRA approved of serial killers.
the question is how they would want a gunshot person to be portrayed on television?

graphic? as in more realistic?
ole western? when shot in the leg hop to edge of the building and shoot back with the bad guy just falling down?
How would they want a gunshot person portrayed? You do realize that you're talking about 10s of millions of individuals? They don't think as a group!
But there is no reason to believe that hunters, gun collectors, dealers, and 2nd Amendment advocates would approve more of violence and gore if it was due to gun shots rather than knives. That's just silly. And these lunatics and criminals aren't NRA members, you're vilifying the wrong group.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about old westerns not being realistic. Maybe so, but the good guys always won and the bad guys got what they deserved - not hundreds of groupie copycats committing unspeakable acts in graphic detail with no conscience whatsoever.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#55 Jan 31, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
How would they want a gunshot person portrayed? You do realize that you're talking about 10s of millions of individuals? They don't think as a group!
But there is no reason to believe that hunters, gun collectors, dealers, and 2nd Amendment advocates would approve more of violence and gore if it was due to gun shots rather than knives. That's just silly. And these lunatics and criminals aren't NRA members, you're vilifying the wrong group.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about old westerns not being realistic. Maybe so, but the good guys always won and the bad guys got what they deserved - not hundreds of groupie copycats committing unspeakable acts in graphic detail with no conscience whatsoever.
The head of the NRA seems to think he speaks for all of his members.
have not heard from him about how a lot of NRA members support some gun restrictions.
or how he feels a gunshot victim should be shown on TV.
if he wants to argue gun violence on TV he should explain what he thinks is proper on TV.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#56 Jan 31, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>The head of the NRA seems to think he speaks for all of his members.
have not heard from him about how a lot of NRA members support some gun restrictions.
or how he feels a gunshot victim should be shown on TV.
if he wants to argue gun violence on TV he should explain what he thinks is proper on TV.
The head of the NRA speaks for its members like the head of the AARP speaks for its members. In other words, he doesn't. They are special interest groups with their own agendas. But that doesn't mean they don't have common interests with the rank-and-file.

It's not up to LaPierre to tell us what he thinks is acceptable or not. He may have an opinion, but who cares? He's not a moral authority or a legislator. It's equally useless to speculate about it, or to imply that he might advocate blood and gore just because he's a strong gun rights advocate.
ItEnds

Coopersburg, PA

#57 Feb 1, 2013
Grenades are illegal, and I haven't heard of anyone being killed by them domestically. There is gun/arms control already. It just needs a little tweaking. Background checks for all sales are a no brainer. The problem is that there are already too many guns in the hands of criminals, and mentally unfit people, that enacting any law now will not ease violence in the near future. The laws would be for the long term. Remember no one is proposing taking anyone's guns away, just stopping sales of new ones. So you can rest easy in your fortified bunker with your Glenn Beck food rations, and 152 guns waiting for the end or the world in peace, but you will probably go insane and off yourself with one of them sooner rather than later :-)
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#58 Feb 1, 2013
ItEnds wrote:
Grenades are illegal, and I haven't heard of anyone being killed by them domestically. There is gun/arms control already. It just needs a little tweaking. Background checks for all sales are a no brainer. The problem is that there are already too many guns in the hands of criminals, and mentally unfit people, that enacting any law now will not ease violence in the near future. The laws would be for the long term. Remember no one is proposing taking anyone's guns away, just stopping sales of new ones. So you can rest easy in your fortified bunker with your Glenn Beck food rations, and 152 guns waiting for the end or the world in peace, but you will probably go insane and off yourself with one of them sooner rather than later :-)
So...you're saying that grenades are not being used by criminals and lunatics because they are ILLEGAL? Who knew these people were such law-abiding citizens!

No one is proposing taking guns away YET, except for a few Left-wingnuts. But NYC is effectively doing it by outlawing 10-round clips when the semi-auto pistols won't accept anything less.

Yes, there are plenty of guns in the country - but not everyone has one who wants one, so if you stop selling them, you are restricting someone's right to defend themselves while keeping the criminals well-armed. The stereotype of gun owners in your last sentence shows either your bias or ignorance. But even if that scenario you describe is true, "preppers" are not the ones committing crimes and mass murders.

I do agree with you on background checks and better enforcement of existing laws.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#59 Feb 1, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
So...you're saying that grenades are not being used by criminals and lunatics because they are ILLEGAL? Who knew these people were such law-abiding citizens!
No one is proposing taking guns away YET, except for a few Left-wingnuts. But NYC is effectively doing it by outlawing 10-round clips when the semi-auto pistols won't accept anything less.
Yes, there are plenty of guns in the country - but not everyone has one who wants one, so if you stop selling them, you are restricting someone's right to defend themselves while keeping the criminals well-armed. The stereotype of gun owners in your last sentence shows either your bias or ignorance. But even if that scenario you describe is true, "preppers" are not the ones committing crimes and mass murders.
I do agree with you on background checks and better enforcement of existing laws.
if you are referring to the proposed law.

http://assembly.state.ny.us/gunsafety/

"Ban all new high-capacity magazines with the capacity to hold more than 7 rounds. Persons currently legally possessing magazines with a capacity of more than 7 and up to 10 rounds can continue to possess such magazines but are prohibited from loading them with more than 7 rounds.
End the current grandfather clause for high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Persons who currently legally possess such high capacity magazines will have one year from the effective date to sell or transfer them out of state or to a federally licensed firearms dealer."

so the handgun can still use the ten shot clip but would have to have a spacer to keep the count down to seven.
so the handgun still uses the ten round clip with modifications.
that does not mean the legislation is banning the handguns.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#60 Feb 1, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>if you are referring to the proposed law.

http://assembly.state.ny.us/gunsafety/

"Ban all new high-capacity magazines with the capacity to hold more than 7 rounds. Persons currently legally possessing magazines with a capacity of more than 7 and up to 10 rounds can continue to possess such magazines but are prohibited from loading them with more than 7 rounds.
End the current grandfather clause for high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Persons who currently legally possess such high capacity magazines will have one year from the effective date to sell or transfer them out of state or to a federally licensed firearms dealer."

so the handgun can still use the ten shot clip but would have to have a spacer to keep the count down to seven.
so the handgun still uses the ten round clip with modifications.
that does not mean the legislation is banning the handguns.
Thanks for the clarification. I guess the commentator got that wrong. Can't see how a spacer makes any difference to someone intent on mayhem who can just remove the spacer or use an illegal clip. Sounds like it just puts legal gun owners at a disadvantage.
OMG

Lansdale, PA

#61 Feb 1, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the clarification. I guess the commentator got that wrong. Can't see how a spacer makes any difference to someone intent on mayhem who can just remove the spacer or use an illegal clip. Sounds like it just puts legal gun owners at a disadvantage.
I have a 9mm that holds 16 rounds, does that mean I need a spacer?HAHA
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#62 Feb 1, 2013
OMG wrote:
<quoted text>I have a 9mm that holds 16 rounds, does that mean I need a spacer?HAHA
No, but you may need to hide it (or sell it to me!).

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#63 Feb 3, 2013
Obama is sure scaring the hell out of people. Either frightening them or really pissing them off. Not all of those people are hunters or NRA members either. Some of them are in the army or other armed forces. Some are in the NSA or CIA, Or FBI. I don't think he will finish out his four years.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
CrippleCreek

Quakertown, PA

#64 Feb 3, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
if you are referring to the proposed law.
http://assembly.state.ny.us/gunsafety/
"Ban all new high-capacity magazines with the capacity to hold more than 7 rounds. Persons currently legally possessing magazines with a capacity of more than 7 and up to 10 rounds can continue to possess such magazines but are prohibited from loading them with more than 7 rounds.
End the current grandfather clause for high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Persons who currently legally possess such high capacity magazines will have one year from the effective date to sell or transfer them out of state or to a federally licensed firearms dealer."
so the handgun can still use the ten shot clip but would have to have a spacer to keep the count down to seven.
so the handgun still uses the ten round clip with modifications.
that does not mean the legislation is banning the handguns.
dbar? Would you please go back to the third world communist country you came from? I doubt that you are even here legally. You make me physically ill.

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