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Jun 19, 2013
 
KingFish wrote:
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You cannot give me one good reason why a person should have a problem identifying themselves. It's just a means of getting illegals into the polling booth, and you know it. You can Blah,blah,blah all day long, but it's BS and you know it. People have to show ID for everything, but not to prove eleigibility to vote? What you've cited above is BS. There is no way those #'s can be verified. It's ridiculous to even conceive of the legality of the illegal vote. All you've verified is that you are in the business of destroying this country. If anyone should be deported? It's you, and take your Kenyan with you. Oh, that's right, he's already there, wasting Millions of Dollars we don't have, to visit the homeland he swears he wasn't born in. Too Funny. Or Not.
well let's see.
yep AARP a real hotbed of illegals?
they state several problems with the voter suppression scheme of AZ.
when Justice(original intent of the Constitution)Scalia writes the majority opinion that Arizona is wrong that should tell you something.

as to id.
when the State of Arizona requires a senior to spend money to obtain the right to vote you have a "poll" tax in effect.
something the Courts struck down quite some time ago.
for the 7.5 percent of those seniors who did not get birth certificates they have to obtain their birth certificate to be able to get the proper id that AZ requires.
that birth certificate costs money to obtain.
so there is that "poll tax".

there is no reason why the State of Arizona could not charge anyone who lies on the voter registration form with perjury if it turns out they are not citizens.

but if you want voter fraud in AZ

w.azcentral.com/community/pinal/articles/2012...

"A Pinal County supervisor candidate has withdrawn from the race in the wake of voter-fraud allegations involving a former companion who, records show, has continued to vote by absentee ballot in the five years since her death."
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well let's see.
yep AARP a real hotbed of illegals?
they state several problems with the voter suppression scheme of AZ.
when Justice(original intent of the Constitution)Scalia writes the majority opinion that Arizona is wrong that should tell you something.
as to id.
when the State of Arizona requires a senior to spend money to obtain the right to vote you have a "poll" tax in effect.
something the Courts struck down quite some time ago.
for the 7.5 percent of those seniors who did not get birth certificates they have to obtain their birth certificate to be able to get the proper id that AZ requires.
that birth certificate costs money to obtain.
so there is that "poll tax".
there is no reason why the State of Arizona could not charge anyone who lies on the voter registration form with perjury if it turns out they are not citizens.
but if you want voter fraud in AZ
w.azcentral.com/community/pinal/articles/2012...
"A Pinal County supervisor candidate has withdrawn from the race in the wake of voter-fraud allegations involving a former companion who, records show, has continued to vote by absentee ballot in the five years since her death."
dbar wins again.
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<quoted text>well let's see.
yep AARP a real hotbed of illegals?
they state several problems with the voter suppression scheme of AZ.
when Justice(original intent of the Constitution)Scalia writes the majority opinion that Arizona is wrong that should tell you something.

as to id.
when the State of Arizona requires a senior to spend money to obtain the right to vote you have a "poll" tax in effect.
something the Courts struck down quite some time ago.
for the 7.5 percent of those seniors who did not get birth certificates they have to obtain their birth certificate to be able to get the proper id that AZ requires.
that birth certificate costs money to obtain.
so there is that "poll tax".

there is no reason why the State of Arizona could not charge anyone who lies on the voter registration form with perjury if it turns out they are not citizens.

but if you want voter fraud in AZ

w.azcentral.com/community/pinal/articles/2012...

"A Pinal County supervisor candidate has withdrawn from the race in the wake of voter-fraud allegations involving a former companion who, records show, has continued to vote by absentee ballot in the five years since her death."
Words and nothing but words. Anyone can get an ID with little problem. Everyone shows ID for everything. You can throw out all the "cut & paste" BS you want. That's the truth of it, Comrad.
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<quoted text>dbar wins again.
Did he beat you at something?
dbar

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KingFish wrote:
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Words and nothing but words. Anyone can get an ID with little problem. Everyone shows ID for everything. You can throw out all the "cut & paste" BS you want. That's the truth of it, Comrad.
no the truth of the matter is that Arizona wanted to suppress the vote of citizens in their state.
the Supreme Court smacked them down for it.
Justice Scalia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonin_Scalia

" Scalia has been described as the intellectual anchor of the Court's conservative wing."

wrote the majority opinion.

" Appointed to the Court by President Ronald Reagan in 1986."
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Jun 20, 2013
 
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no the truth of the matter is that Arizona wanted to suppress the vote of citizens in their state.
the Supreme Court smacked them down for it.
Justice Scalia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonin_Scalia
" Scalia has been described as the intellectual anchor of the Court's conservative wing."
wrote the majority opinion.
" Appointed to the Court by President Ronald Reagan in 1986."
You've really run out of "Cut and Paste" material. Did you actually say that Gov. Brewer is trying to take away the right to vote in Arizona? You said citizens? Legal Voters? Gov. Jan Brewer? OMG, I got to go.
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You've really run out of "Cut and Paste" material. Did you actually say that Gov. Brewer is trying to take away the right to vote in Arizona? You said citizens? Legal Voters? Gov. Jan Brewer? OMG, I got to go.
"Arizona Attorney General Thomas C. Horne acknowledged there was no reason to believe that the other 20,000 were ineligible."

and the Arizona AG works for who?

the term was suppress the vote.
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Jun 20, 2013
 
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<quoted text>"Arizona Attorney General Thomas C. Horne acknowledged there was no reason to believe that the other 20,000 were ineligible."

and the Arizona AG works for who?

the term was suppress the vote.
You're spinning it, you know it and if you had any credibility at all? It's now gone. Bye.
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Jun 20, 2013
 
dbar wrote:
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"Arizona Attorney General Thomas C. Horne acknowledged there was no reason to believe that the other 20,000 were ineligible."
and the Arizona AG works for who?
the term was suppress the vote.
“Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."
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You're spinning it, you know it and if you had any credibility at all? It's now gone. Bye.
no need to spin anything.

"The other 20,000 swore under oath that they were citizens and Mr. Horne, before the Ninth Circuit, conceded he had no evidence that they were not citizens "

http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/ar...
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no need to spin anything.
"The other 20,000 swore under oath that they were citizens and Mr. Horne, before the Ninth Circuit, conceded he had no evidence that they were not citizens "
http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/ar...
On the Federal Form all you have to do is say you are. Anyone can do that. And, although Mr. Horne conceded he had no evidence that they were not citizens?(Your SPIN), what you neglect to say is that not a one could prove that they were. How stupid do you think we are, Comrad? Your credibility = 0.
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On the Federal Form all you have to do is say you are. Anyone can do that. And, although Mr. Horne conceded he had no evidence that they were not citizens?(Your SPIN), what you neglect to say is that not a one could prove that they were. How stupid do you think we are, Comrad? Your credibility = 0.
you stated "The Arizona Law has prevented over 20,000 illegal voters from registering. "

something that has no basis in reality.
you make that claim even though the Arizona AG admits he had no evidence that they were ineligible to vote.
that is not spin it is a sworn statement by the Arizona AG.

so your claim of 20,000 illegal voters is just garbage,backed up by nothing.
not even the guy arguing for Arizona buys into your untenable claim.

and i neglected nothing.
under your flawed logic.
if all those illegals tried to register they would be breaking the law and AZ has their name and address.
they could charge them with perjury.
so if anything it sounds like AZ is slacking in arresting people for perjury.
guess having the names and addresses of them would make it pretty easy to nab them for their crime.
yet there is no long list of people they are charging with that crime.
so your complaint should be with the slacker Governor of Arizona.
she clearly coddles criminals.
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Jun 20, 2013
 
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>you stated "The Arizona Law has prevented over 20,000 illegal voters from registering. "

something that has no basis in reality.
you make that claim even though the Arizona AG admits he had no evidence that they were ineligible to vote.
that is not spin it is a sworn statement by the Arizona AG.

so your claim of 20,000 illegal voters is just garbage,backed up by nothing.
not even the guy arguing for Arizona buys into your untenable claim.

and i neglected nothing.
under your flawed logic.
if all those illegals tried to register they would be breaking the law and AZ has their name and address.
they could charge them with perjury.
so if anything it sounds like AZ is slacking in arresting people for perjury.
guess having the names and addresses of them would make it pretty easy to nab them for their crime.
yet there is no long list of people they are charging with that crime.
so your complaint should be with the slacker Governor of Arizona.
she clearly coddles criminals.
I've spent more than enough time on this. You are as Un-American as the day is long. You're as twisted as the very words that ooze from your mouth.I spoke my peace. If a person can't verify citizenship with proper ID, they shouldn't be permitted to vote. End of discussion, because after all your BS? That's the simple truth of it. No Tickie, No Washie!
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Jun 20, 2013
 
KingFish wrote:
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I've spent more than enough time on this. You are as Un-American as the day is long. You're as twisted as the very words that ooze from your mouth.I spoke my peace. If a person can't verify citizenship with proper ID, they shouldn't be permitted to vote. End of discussion, because after all your BS? That's the simple truth of it. No Tickie, No Washie!
well the Supreme court disagrees with your views.
even the most Conservative member of the Court saw through the Arizona scam and put a stop to it.
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Jun 21, 2013
 
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well the Supreme court disagrees with your views.
even the most Conservative member of the Court saw through the Arizona scam and put a stop to it.
KingFish is right. You have no credibility. To say that Arizona was trying to prevent eligible citizens from voting is ludicrous. What would be the purpose? Your loony tunes and The Supreme Court has turned against the people of the USA. Once again intimidated, as Roberts was with Obamacare.
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KingFish is right. You have no credibility. To say that Arizona was trying to prevent eligible citizens from voting is ludicrous. What would be the purpose? Your loony tunes and The Supreme Court has turned against the people of the USA. Once again intimidated, as Roberts was with Obamacare.
Arizona wasn't trying to prevent all eligible citizens from voting, they just wanted to check Hispanics. They never would have checked Caucasians. The practical outcome of the AZ law would have been racial profiling.
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<quoted text>Arizona wasn't trying to prevent all eligible citizens from voting, they just wanted to check Hispanics. They never would have checked Caucasians. The practical outcome of the AZ law would have been racial profiling.
No, they were requiring ID from everyone. It was not racial profiling, although, because of the abundance of illegal aliens in Arizona, the majority of people turned away were, in fact, illegal aliens. Which was, in fact, the purpose of the law. To eliminate the fraudulent voter. Dope! Where do you idiots come from?
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No, they were requiring ID from everyone. It was not racial profiling, although, because of the abundance of illegal aliens in Arizona, the majority of people turned away were, in fact, illegal aliens. Which was, in fact, the purpose of the law. To eliminate the fraudulent voter. Dope! Where do you idiots come from?
Under current AZ and US law, any illegal found must be held and deported. If you expect people to believe AZ found 20K illegals trying to vote and let them walk away, then you're the a-hole.
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Jun 21, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Under current AZ and US law, any illegal found must be held and deported. If you expect people to believe AZ found 20K illegals trying to vote and let them walk away, then you're the a-hole.
OK,Jitstain,If they are being deported then how can they march in protest? how can they demonstrate in front of State Capitols? How can they publicly demand more benefits? Why are we giving them benefits? How can they do all that if they are being deported? Riddle me that, Jitstain! You should have been aborted. A-Hole!
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Jun 21, 2013
 
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KingFish is right. You have no credibility. To say that Arizona was trying to prevent eligible citizens from voting is ludicrous. What would be the purpose? Your loony tunes and The Supreme Court has turned against the people of the USA. Once again intimidated, as Roberts was with Obamacare.
if you bothered to read the arguments made in front of the Court you would have seen that several scenarios were brought up and the AZ AG
had no reasonable answers.
one issue concerned people registering to vote.
the State has plenty of time to verify and go after those who are illegal.
when asked about that the AZ AG had no real answer why the State of Arizona could not verify the voter registration just like they did in the past.

the Court was intimidated?
Scalia the most conservative leaning judge?
that is just laughable.
even Scalia saw exactly what Arizona was trying to do and stopped it.
the State of Arizona tried an end run around a Federal law and the Court decided 7-2 that Arizona was not going to do that.

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