taxed

Broomall, PA

#21 Feb 17, 2013
Lotto wrote:
<quoted text>Do you have statistics on how many senior citizens in the QCSD have had to sell their homes because of high school taxes?
http://www.phillyburbs.com/my_town/quakertown...

Haycock resident Helen Kondracki pushed the school board to work harder to cut spending. Quakertown’s seniors and low-income families are already financially stressed, she said.

“In the eyes of the administration, we the taxpayers are a bottomless pit of revenue,” she said.
ratfink

Chalfont, PA

#22 Feb 17, 2013
taxed wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.phillyburbs.com/my_town/quakertown...

Haycock resident Helen Kondracki pushed the school board to work harder to cut spending. QuakertownÂ’s seniors and low-income families are already financially stressed, she said.

“In the eyes of the administration, we the taxpayers are a bottomless pit of revenue,” she said.
Thank you!!
JERRY

Emmaus, PA

#23 Feb 17, 2013
Why is it only the taxes that break the camel's back? How about the rise in the cost of gas, or the cost of groceries, or the cost of electricity? Why is it only the taxes that are criminal? Not saying taxes are not too high, but so is everything else.
This is going to sound hard... please take it as intended.... Why are senior citizens the only ones that don't have to sell or move if they can't make their budgets. Wouldn't it be easier on them to sell those big old houses with acres of land and make things easier on themselves. If I cannot afford my house, I will move to a smaller house. Its a house. The memories are in your heart, not in the hardwood floors. If I can't afford my groceries, I cut back. If I can't afford the gas, I travel less. Don't get me wrong.... I don't want to see anyone put out of their house.... But there are options. I know, the economy sucks, but houses are being sold in this area. We all have the same issues.... I love seniors, but they have the same problems that I do. If you can get $220,000 for your house and buy one for $130,000 life would be so much easier. And a smaller house, takes less fuel, less electricity, less everything. Its just practical. Yes.. I do know that not everyone has a large expensive home, but there are options.
If my salary changes its minimal. Everyone's expenses are out of control. why do seniors expect a golden pass. We all are in the same boat.
Whatswronghere

Quakertown, PA

#24 Feb 17, 2013
Its not just the taxes, but they are the largest part of the problem for a retired senior who struggled their entire life to take care of their family and put a little away for retirement. And believe you me its hard to put money away when the property taxes are increasing consistently each year, mostly because of teachers salaries and retirement. So now you have a teacher retiring at 59 yrs old and collecting the same $90,000 as the salary they received when working, and remember their work year is only 2/3 rds and these people could live to be 100, who's gonna be funding that?
Shloppy

Newtown Square, PA

#25 Feb 17, 2013
JERRY wrote:
Why is it only the taxes that break the camel's back? How about the rise in the cost of gas, or the cost of groceries, or the cost of electricity? Why is it only the taxes that are criminal? Not saying taxes are not too high, but so is everything else.
This is going to sound hard... please take it as intended.... Why are senior citizens the only ones that don't have to sell or move if they can't make their budgets. Wouldn't it be easier on them to sell those big old houses with acres of land and make things easier on themselves. If I cannot afford my house, I will move to a smaller house. Its a house. The memories are in your heart, not in the hardwood floors. If I can't afford my groceries, I cut back. If I can't afford the gas, I travel less. Don't get me wrong.... I don't want to see anyone put out of their house.... But there are options. I know, the economy sucks, but houses are being sold in this area. We all have the same issues.... I love seniors, but they have the same problems that I do. If you can get $220,000 for your house and buy one for $130,000 life would be so much easier. And a smaller house, takes less fuel, less electricity, less everything. Its just practical. Yes.. I do know that not everyone has a large expensive home, but there are options.
If my salary changes its minimal. Everyone's expenses are out of control. why do seniors expect a golden pass. We all are in the same boat.
You don't get it. No one has the right to tax someone out of they're home. I can't guess how much money is going to be stolen from me on a yearly basis. I can't include it in the budget. Which, BTW, is fixed. I know you voted for Obama. You're a Communist.
JERRY

Emmaus, PA

#26 Feb 17, 2013
very intelligent come-back.
Shloppy wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't get it. No one has the right to tax someone out of they're home. I can't guess how much money is going to be stolen from me on a yearly basis. I can't include it in the budget. Which, BTW, is fixed. I know you voted for Obama. You're a Communist.
Shloppy

Newtown Square, PA

#27 Feb 17, 2013
JERRY wrote:
very intelligent come-back.
<quoted text>
Come Back? More like Truth. Ever hear that word before? Need it defined?
Curious

Broomall, PA

#28 Feb 17, 2013
How did Paul Stephanoff vote on the budget?
Shloppy

Newtown Square, PA

#29 Feb 17, 2013
Curious wrote:
How did Paul Stephanoff vote on the budget?
He wasn't there.
taxed

Broomall, PA

#30 Feb 17, 2013
JERRY wrote:
Why is it only the taxes that break the camel's back? How about the rise in the cost of gas, or the cost of groceries, or the cost of electricity? Why is it only the taxes that are criminal? Not saying taxes are not too high, but so is everything else.
This is going to sound hard... please take it as intended.... Why are senior citizens the only ones that don't have to sell or move if they can't make their budgets. Wouldn't it be easier on them to sell those big old houses with acres of land and make things easier on themselves. If I cannot afford my house, I will move to a smaller house. Its a house. The memories are in your heart, not in the hardwood floors. If I can't afford my groceries, I cut back. If I can't afford the gas, I travel less. Don't get me wrong.... I don't want to see anyone put out of their house.... But there are options. I know, the economy sucks, but houses are being sold in this area. We all have the same issues.... I love seniors, but they have the same problems that I do. If you can get $220,000 for your house and buy one for $130,000 life would be so much easier. And a smaller house, takes less fuel, less electricity, less everything. Its just practical. Yes.. I do know that not everyone has a large expensive home, but there are options.
If my salary changes its minimal. Everyone's expenses are out of control. why do seniors expect a golden pass. We all are in the same boat.
Take seniors that are living on SS and meager pensions, and families where the parents are unemployed/underemployed. They may get assistance with food stamps, heating assistance, but aside from the measly reduction from reassessment and the farmstead deduction, taxes are way out of control. When we built our home 10 years ago, the QCSD taxes were $2600, now we are over $5000. The real estate market is in the tank, so selling your home isn't an option, unless you want to walk away from the settlement table owing, and for the elderly, moving can be very difficult for them.

WHY should they have to sell the home they may have lived in for 30, 40, or 50 years? To keep people like you happy?

Must be nice to be able to live on $80k in your retirement without a worry in the world.

Before you come off with the Marie Antoinette attitude, just think about what you wrote.
ratfink

Chalfont, PA

#31 Feb 17, 2013
JERRY wrote:
Why is it only the taxes that break the camel's back? How about the rise in the cost of gas, or the cost of groceries, or the cost of electricity? Why is it only the taxes that are criminal? Not saying taxes are not too high, but so is everything else.
This is going to sound hard... please take it as intended.... Why are senior citizens the only ones that don't have to sell or move if they can't make their budgets. Wouldn't it be easier on them to sell those big old houses with acres of land and make things easier on themselves. If I cannot afford my house, I will move to a smaller house. Its a house. The memories are in your heart, not in the hardwood floors. If I can't afford my groceries, I cut back. If I can't afford the gas, I travel less. Don't get me wrong.... I don't want to see anyone put out of their house.... But there are options. I know, the economy sucks, but houses are being sold in this area. We all have the same issues.... I love seniors, but they have the same problems that I do. If you can get $220,000 for your house and buy one for $130,000 life would be so much easier. And a smaller house, takes less fuel, less electricity, less everything. Its just practical. Yes.. I do know that not everyone has a large expensive home, but there are options.
If my salary changes its minimal. Everyone's expenses are out of control. why do seniors expect a golden pass. We all are in the same boat.
Because that is the persons personal choice and NOT the school districts to tax them out of existence. Those with all the children should be those paying the tab. NOT THE SENIORS !!!!
ratfink

Chalfont, PA

#32 Feb 17, 2013
JERRY wrote:
<quoted text>very intelligent come-back.
But your view is COMMUNISTIC.
Anonymous

Quakertown, PA

#33 Feb 17, 2013
Whatswronghere wrote:
Its not just the taxes, but they are the largest part of the problem for a retired senior who struggled their entire life to take care of their family and put a little away for retirement. And believe you me its hard to put money away when the property taxes are increasing consistently each year, mostly because of teachers salaries and retirement. So now you have a teacher retiring at 59 yrs old and collecting the same $90,000 as the salary they received when working, and remember their work year is only 2/3 rds and these people could live to be 100, who's gonna be funding that?
Exactly!!!
Anonymous

Quakertown, PA

#34 Feb 17, 2013
Here's how bad the tax situation was in March 2010. I bet by now it's much worse. Can't find a more recent posting in school board minutes:

http://www.qcsd.org/cms/lib04/PA01000005/Cent...

The Business Services Department is recommending the board approve the following
tax matters:
Real Estate Liens
Municipality 2009 2008 2007 Total
Haycock 143,595.49 801.01 144,396.50
Milford 717,823.11 310.62 718,133.73
Quakertown 337,771.02 525.54 338,296.56
Richland 573,811.47 5,452.06 579,263.53
Richlandtown 41,062.46 97.26 41,159.72
Trumbauersville 34,613.29 47.06 34,660.35
Total 1,848,676.84 7,233.55 1,855,910.39
robert

Chalfont, PA

#35 Feb 17, 2013
ratfink wrote:
<quoted text>Because that is the persons personal choice and NOT the school districts to tax them out of existence. Those with all the children should be those paying the tab. NOT THE SENIORS !!!!
So does this apply to my taxes going to support Medicare and Medicaid? What about the Social Security I pay into that I may never see? I'm not insensitive to the fact that taxes are high (they are everywhere) but lets make sure that those who refuse to pay taxes are also not directly benefiting from government assistance in other forms.

While we are at it, lets return to the days where we each had to pay for fire insurance and if we couldn't afford it, the town would just come and watch it burn down. Heck, since taxes pay for our roads, lets just make them all toll. That way we all pay our fair share for roads.
taxed

Broomall, PA

#36 Feb 17, 2013
robert wrote:
<quoted text>
So does this apply to my taxes going to support Medicare and Medicaid? What about the Social Security I pay into that I may never see? I'm not insensitive to the fact that taxes are high (they are everywhere) but lets make sure that those who refuse to pay taxes are also not directly benefiting from government assistance in other forms.
While we are at it, lets return to the days where we each had to pay for fire insurance and if we couldn't afford it, the town would just come and watch it burn down. Heck, since taxes pay for our roads, lets just make them all toll. That way we all pay our fair share for roads.
It seems that the teachers come before the students these days. When 67% of the yearly budget goes solely for teacher and administrator salaries and pensions, and this district is preforming very poorly, how can we justify this expenditure?

If we had a school district that ranked in the top 5 or even 10 in the state, there would be justification for higher salaries, but we aren't even close to that.
ratfink

Chalfont, PA

#37 Feb 17, 2013
robert wrote:
<quoted text>So does this apply to my taxes going to support Medicare and Medicaid? What about the Social Security I pay into that I may never see? I'm not insensitive to the fact that taxes are high (they are everywhere) but lets make sure that those who refuse to pay taxes are also not directly benefiting from government assistance in other forms.

While we are at it, lets return to the days where we each had to pay for fire insurance and if we couldn't afford it, the town would just come and watch it burn down. Heck, since taxes pay for our roads, lets just make them all toll. That way we all pay our fair share for roads.
Well I don't believe you should pay any so called TAX for any services unless you benefit directly from it. So to answer your question. No you should not have to pay a red cent for any of those mentioned things unless you wish to benefit from them later. Opt out pay zilch but get no ss later !! Want to educate yours children. PAY!!!!!
ratfink

Chalfont, PA

#38 Feb 17, 2013
ratfink wrote:
<quoted text>Well I don't believe you should pay any so called TAX for any services unless you benefit directly from it. So to answer your question. No you should not have to pay a red cent for any of those mentioned things unless you wish to benefit from them later. Opt out pay zilch but get no ss later !! Want to educate yours children. PAY!!!!!
PAY UP FOR YOUR CHILDREN'S EXPENSES. don't expect the rest of us to pay for your product of love!!!!!
ratfink

Chalfont, PA

#39 Feb 17, 2013
ratfink wrote:
PAY UP FOR YOUR CHILDREN'S EXPENSES. don't expect the rest of us to pay for your product of love!!!!!
Or lust or stupidity or whatever sparked you to have children that YOU can not afford to raise with YOUR money.!!!
ratfink

Chalfont, PA

#40 Feb 17, 2013
taxed wrote:
<quoted text>It seems that the teachers come before the students these days. When 67% of the yearly budget goes solely for teacher and administrator salaries and pensions, and this district is preforming very poorly, how can we justify this expenditure?

If we had a school district that ranked in the top 5 or even 10 in the state, there would be justification for higher salaries, but we aren't even close to that.
If the ones rearing the children had to pay for the burden of the educational cost the crazy salaries would come to a screeching halt and this discussion would be mute.

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