St. Luke's may build new hospital, fu...
Rich Land Rich Man

Philadelphia, PA

#41 Feb 4, 2013
Resident wrote:
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Do you work for Borough? If not I guess you didn't read the part where the Borough Manager said it would be a draw on services?
He didn't say that. He said that "group homes and rooming houses are a constant draw'. This would be an in-patient treatment facility, not a rooming house.
Resident

Emmaus, PA

#42 Feb 4, 2013
Rich Land Rich Man wrote:
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He didn't say that. He said that "group homes and rooming houses are a constant draw'. This would be an in-patient treatment facility, not a rooming house.
"Any additional mental health units would continue to be a drain on the community," he also said.

Who do you think they call every time there is an out of control patient? The Qtown Police.
Rich Land Rich Man

Philadelphia, PA

#43 Feb 4, 2013
Resident wrote:
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"Any additional mental health units would continue to be a drain on the community," he also said.
Who do you think they call every time there is an out of control patient? The Qtown Police.
You tell me. There's already 19 mental health beds at the hospital, how many times have the police been called because one of those folks are "out of control"??

Again, I think the moniker of "mental health facility" is being stereotyped. I doubt it's going to be a situation with dangerous folks breaking out of padded cells and terrorizing the neighborhood in straight jackets. There are plenty of mental health issues that are treated...painkiller addiction, alcoholism, tourettes, chemical dependency, stress management, alzheimers, adolescent behavioral issues, eating disorders, bipolar diseases, PTSD, etc..it's not a loony bin like the old state hospitals were.
Okay

Broomall, PA

#44 Feb 4, 2013
Rich Land Rich Man wrote:
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You tell me. There's already 19 mental health beds at the hospital, how many times have the police been called because one of those folks are "out of control"??
Again, I think the moniker of "mental health facility" is being stereotyped. I doubt it's going to be a situation with dangerous folks breaking out of padded cells and terrorizing the neighborhood in straight jackets. There are plenty of mental health issues that are treated...painkiller addiction, alcoholism, tourettes, chemical dependency, stress management, alzheimers, adolescent behavioral issues, eating disorders, bipolar diseases, PTSD, etc..it's not a loony bin like the old state hospitals were.
Don't you think that if they go with the entire hospital as an inpatient facility, there will be some cases of the violent type?

Again, this is 3 blocks away from the schools, and God help up is even one crazed lunatic gets out. I have no problem with facilities like this in a different area, but it's far too close to the residents surrounding it and the schools being so close.

Oh, I noticed you mentioned PTSD. A Navy Seal was just shot by a Marine with PTSD. Enough said...
patient

Newtown Square, PA

#45 Feb 4, 2013
I had the displeasure of being in the ER when they brang in a mentally challeged person. They were screaming, yelling, and threatening people.I was quite scary. Not only was the hospital security present but 3 yes 3 Quakertown Police officers. This was just last month.
So yes the 19 beds are resulting in police response.
Wow

Quakertown, PA

#46 Feb 4, 2013
patient wrote:
I had the displeasure of being in the ER when they brang in a mentally challeged person. They were screaming, yelling, and threatening people.I was quite scary. Not only was the hospital security present but 3 yes 3 Quakertown Police officers. This was just last month.
So yes the 19 beds are resulting in police response.
While your experience is understandably scary that will happen at ANY hospital whether it has a psych ward or not. When someone has a psychiatric episode they get taken to a hospital, the NEAREST hospital, to be stabilized and if they need to be admitted they get sent to a hospital with a psych ward.

Like I said before this isn't ideal for that type facility but its not as bad as you guys are making it. This isn't some half way house where the people can come and go unsupervized and stroll around town. It would be a professional complex with much closer supervision than any of the current homes. Maybe it would even force some of the ones like tri-county out of business.
Southpark69

Perkasie, PA

#47 Feb 4, 2013
Wow wrote:
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While your experience is understandably scary that will happen at ANY hospital whether it has a psych ward or not. When someone has a psychiatric episode they get taken to a hospital, the NEAREST hospital, to be stabilized and if they need to be admitted they get sent to a hospital with a psych ward.
Like I said before this isn't ideal for that type facility but its not as bad as you guys are making it. This isn't some half way house where the people can come and go unsupervized and stroll around town. It would be a professional complex with much closer supervision than any of the current homes. Maybe it would even force some of the ones like tri-county out of business.
How do you KNOW what type of facility it would be? Have you been involved with any of the planning of it? There are alot of aspects of it to be considered. I believe if it does occur it will be some time before anything happens.
Wow

Quakertown, PA

#48 Feb 4, 2013
Southpark69 wrote:
<quoted text>How do you KNOW what type of facility it would be? Have you been involved with any of the planning of it? There are alot of aspects of it to be considered. I believe if it does occur it will be some time before anything happens.
That's not even a valid argument... really? How do I know? I don't. But what I do know is that a corporation like St. Luke's who is held accountable to federal regulators, review boards, and standards is going to run a huge facility like the hospital better than a dilapidated old house next to the Eagle.

You are correct, if it happens, it'll be a long way off and a lot of consideration will go into it. I'm actually not for it or against it. My only point is that its not going to be like a state asylum of the past with looney people running down the road laughing in a straight jacket.
just curious

Sellersville, PA

#49 Feb 4, 2013
Qtown wrote:
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"Most" of Quakertown is druggies, drunks, and criminals? Really? What source gave you that information? Are there drunks, druggies, and criminals living in those beautiful, well kept homes on Park Ave, or 11th St?
You think a "beautiful well kept home" means they don't do drugs? From what I understand most of the buyers of drugs are from homes like those.

I get my information through word of mouth when I used to live there and hearing police sirens every day. I live in Souderton now and I can go days without hearing a siren.

Also I read the Quakertown police blotter.
southpark69

Perkasie, PA

#50 Feb 4, 2013
just curious wrote:
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You think a "beautiful well kept home" means they don't do drugs? From what I understand most of the buyers of drugs are from homes like those.
I get my information through word of mouth when I used to live there and hearing police sirens every day. I live in Souderton now and I can go days without hearing a siren.
Also I read the Quakertown police blotter.
Not that is has anything to do with this topic, but the Bush house and Eagle Hotel are on the other end of town from the hospital. According to the police blotter, that is the area where most drug arrests are made and residents from there.
newevents

Perkasie, PA

#51 Feb 5, 2013
Okay wrote:
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Don't you think that if they go with the entire hospital as an inpatient facility, there will be some cases of the violent type?
Again, this is 3 blocks away from the schools, and God help up is even one crazed lunatic gets out. I have no problem with facilities like this in a different area, but it's far too close to the residents surrounding it and the schools being so close.
Oh, I noticed you mentioned PTSD. A Navy Seal was just shot by a Marine with PTSD. Enough said...
PTSD comes from many tragically witnessed or experienced situations. It has many levels. One can experience it due to witnessing an accident, being a victim of someone else's mental illness/addiction, rape, robbery, fire, military experiences etc. etc.. The vast majority of these individuals do NOT commit crimes. They just need professional aid to deal with and overcome their anxieties and resulting fears. The most serious cases need ADVANCED care. Do NOT discriminate and judge based on the actions of the most seriously affected. Opening this topic for discussion did not include misunderstanding or discriminating against those in need. It was for discussing the local of such a facility and the affect it would have on the immediate community where it is located.
Okay

Broomall, PA

#52 Feb 5, 2013
newevents wrote:
<quoted text>PTSD comes from many tragically witnessed or experienced situations. It has many levels. One can experience it due to witnessing an accident, being a victim of someone else's mental illness/addiction, rape, robbery, fire, military experiences etc. etc.. The vast majority of these individuals do NOT commit crimes. They just need professional aid to deal with and overcome their anxieties and resulting fears. The most serious cases need ADVANCED care. Do NOT discriminate and judge based on the actions of the most seriously affected. Opening this topic for discussion did not include misunderstanding or discriminating against those in need. It was for discussing the local of such a facility and the affect it would have on the immediate community where it is located.
"Do NOT discriminate and judge based on the actions of the most seriously affected."

Isn't this what we are doing right now with new gun legislation?
Rich Land Rich Man

Philadelphia, PA

#53 Feb 5, 2013
Okay wrote:
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Don't you think that if they go with the entire hospital as an inpatient facility, there will be some cases of the violent type?
Again, this is 3 blocks away from the schools, and God help up is even one crazed lunatic gets out. I have no problem with facilities like this in a different area, but it's far too close to the residents surrounding it and the schools being so close.
Oh, I noticed you mentioned PTSD. A Navy Seal was just shot by a Marine with PTSD. Enough said...
I understand completely...but how do you decide how close a facility like this can be to "the residents surrounding it and the schools..."? How close is too close? And what about all of the employees at the facility? Aren't they in danger as well? Nobody is worrying about their safety, are they?

The reality is that this institution, if built/renovated, will be monitored and administered by professionals with the community in mind. To assume that the worst will happen, and perhaps move the entire facility out into the country, just shifts the possible outcome to someone else's back yard.
zarburg

Quakertown, PA

#54 Feb 7, 2013
Some of the poster who post on here need to get an education. Not everyone is a minority, not everyone has false teethe and shops at farmers market, not everyone is a pig who gores to farmers market, some of us do not care if a owner of a restaurant drinks too much, or who lives in the bush house. The area is not all on drugs and disgusting people live here. Thats all you read on here. I just wonder what sort of real low life is doing the postings on here from what i read. But rest assured, there is no CURE FOR STUPID!!!
Okay

Broomall, PA

#55 Feb 7, 2013
Rich Land Rich Man wrote:
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I understand completely...but how do you decide how close a facility like this can be to "the residents surrounding it and the schools..."? How close is too close? And what about all of the employees at the facility? Aren't they in danger as well? Nobody is worrying about their safety, are they?
The reality is that this institution, if built/renovated, will be monitored and administered by professionals with the community in mind. To assume that the worst will happen, and perhaps move the entire facility out into the country, just shifts the possible outcome to someone else's back yard.
The only existing facility that will compare to SLH is the Horsham Clinic. Look at in Google maps, with satellite view. There are homes nearby, but not so close that you can throw a snowball on their front porch! Look at SLH on the same map and see the difference.

As for the employees at the facility; they are trained to deal with patients. Are the kids walking by on their way home from school, or the elderly people that live across the street trained to deal with these people?

The institution that housed the murderer of Chris Kyle were professionals and let that guy out...and look what happened.

Take a hard look at the streetwalkers coming out of Tri County.

This town has too many group homes and section 8 slum areas. We don't need this facility.
zarburg

Quakertown, PA

#56 Feb 7, 2013
I am trained but i can not deal with people on topix. I think there are many who have psyche issues right on this board, so nasty so hate everyone and i bet you all go to church on Sunday. Crucify people the rest of the week, but you never throw stones at people. This is a sik forum should be shut down, breeds contempts and hate Whether it is heavy people, skinny people, democratic, republicians mixed race or whatever buch of nut jobs right here who need psychiatric help...chck out the phone book, plenty here need it. St lukes is a great hospita and there is a need i our community to help many, not just ones you deem fit t gethelp... RN here and pou of it!!!
Duh

Broomall, PA

#57 Feb 7, 2013
zarburg wrote:
I am trained but i can not deal with people on topix. I think there are many who have psyche issues right on this board, so nasty so hate everyone and i bet you all go to church on Sunday. Crucify people the rest of the week, but you never throw stones at people. This is a sik forum should be shut down, breeds contempts and hate Whether it is heavy people, skinny people, democratic, republicians mixed race or whatever buch of nut jobs right here who need psychiatric help...chck out the phone book, plenty here need it. St lukes is a great hospita and there is a need i our community to help many, not just ones you deem fit t gethelp... RN here and pou of it!!!
Did you even graduate HS with grammar and spelling as atrocious as this?
SwineSniffer

Newtown Square, PA

#58 Feb 7, 2013
zarburg wrote:
I am trained but i can not deal with people on topix. I think there are many who have psyche issues right on this board, so nasty so hate everyone and i bet you all go to church on Sunday. Crucify people the rest of the week, but you never throw stones at people. This is a sik forum should be shut down, breeds contempts and hate Whether it is heavy people, skinny people, democratic, republicians mixed race or whatever buch of nut jobs right here who need psychiatric help...chck out the phone book, plenty here need it. St lukes is a great hospita and there is a need i our community to help many, not just ones you deem fit t gethelp... RN here and pou of it!!!
Like, you went to college? People's lives are in your hands? Now that's just wrong.
questions

Perkasie, PA

#59 Feb 7, 2013
Duh wrote:
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Did you even graduate HS with grammar and spelling as atrocious as this?
questions Think she/he is dipping into the meds.!
Zarburg

Quakertown, PA

#60 Feb 7, 2013
Granted idiots i did go to college masters what do you have??? Yes, a RN and proud of it. But the folks here need real lives, obviously!! I know very few people you describe on this board...very few!

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