no jobs for felons!!!
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Very concerned

Newark, DE

#1 Apr 21, 2010
Wow! I guess we live in a communist country when you have to obey the law not be gainfully employed ($10-12/hr). Does the government expect to get taxes from people working at 3-$7/hr jobs? I guess I know why more people in their forties kill themselves or die from cancer or some other reason. This is an uncaring society we live in and nobody(BIG BUSINESS)cares if the average Joe has a dime in his pocket as long as the billions of dollars flow into theirs.
Randy Johnson

United States

#2 Apr 21, 2010
First of all, go back and read your first sentence carefully. The way it is worded you are saying that higher paying jobs are unavailable to people who play by the rules.
Here is a news flash. ANY kind of job - particularly in Fayette county - is scarce at this time. That makes competition for the few that may be out there fierce. An employer is naturally going to look for the best person they can find, and if you (you being a general term here, not the original poster in particular) have no special skills and/or a good solid work history you are going to go to the back of the line.
If I were hiring, a criminal record would be likely to trump any other qualifications regardless. Depending on the offense and the job it could eliminate a candidate from consideration immediately. A person might have excellent ability in one of the construction trades, but if they have been arrested multiple times for theft or burglary Iím not about to have them working in peopleís homes. Or for that matter, anywhere else where their fingers might get stuck to something that could be carted off. More leeway would be considered for drug/alcohol offenses and the like. People can and do change, but I would hire someone in this category with the strict understanding that there is a zero tolerance for backsliding. Another arrest or showing up for work impaired would be grounds for instant termination.
If you are a convicted felon, at some point in your life you decided that the rules did not apply to you. This is not an attitude most employers are very fond of. It is possible to turn things around but it is unrealistic to think that you get to start at the top. Like it or not, you moved yourself to the back of the line. It is going to take some time working lower paying jobs to clean up your reputation.
If you are seriously trying to do that, I wish you all the best.
kim

Woodridge, IL

#3 Apr 21, 2010
As sad as it is it is true there are no jobs for felons.. They have paid the price and deserve a second chance in society and so many of them don't get it. I understand that if your a felon who keeps getting into trouble and keep getting sent back to prison, you aren't liable. However a young soul who has got wrapped up and busted and has changed deserves a 2nd chance
I agree

Chicago, IL

#4 Apr 21, 2010
It is said that people deserve second chances but in the country we don't do as we say. It is sad that a young person did some stupid things when he was younger was hanging with the wrong crowd got into trouble has a felony on his record now ten years later he is still being judged by that. 10 years later no other arrests no other charges but still being looked at and judged by his felony. I think that after so many years of a person having a small felony it should go away...but guess in this country we don't really give people second chances.
Pals

Connersville, IN

#5 Apr 21, 2010
I agree wrote:
It is said that people deserve second chances but in the country we don't do as we say. It is sad that a young person did some stupid things when he was younger was hanging with the wrong crowd got into trouble has a felony on his record now ten years later he is still being judged by that. 10 years later no other arrests no other charges but still being looked at and judged by his felony. I think that after so many years of a person having a small felony it should go away...but guess in this country we don't really give people second chances.
The felony can go away for some big bucks....Hire a lawyer and have the felony expunged!!!!! But it's gonna cost ya !!!!
concern citizen

Connersville, IN

#6 Apr 21, 2010
If there are not some jobs soon there will be a lot more felons. The day is going to come when it will be the survival of the fittest. People better get their guns loaded the day may be sooner than you think!
Justa Guy

Edison, NJ

#7 Apr 21, 2010
Like Randy said, it really depends on the nature of the felony charge, and of course the nature of the job. Banks don't hire robbers, pharmaceutical companies don't hire cocaine users or sellers, transport companies don't hire drunk drivers, and so on. After that, specialized training and skills become even more important than for those with no felony history.
I have felony on record myself- DUI. In my field, it has been in effect "forgiven" only because I have a very long work history and have never went to work impaired. This history is verifiable by a long line of bosses and workmates over about 25 years.
Having near perfect attendance over those years has been quite important to prospective employers also. They want someone who can truly be depended on- showing up [clean and sober!]is half the job! Being able to say [and have others say] you have done so over the long haul is a biggie.
Find a way to get some kind of specialized training. Surely you have heard this all your life- those folks weren't kidding! Be good at whatever it is- know the theories applicable and be able to use them forwards, backwards, upside down, in your sleep if necessary. You don't have to be the absolute best, but be as close as you can get!

If you have been so unlucky as to have accumulated felony[s] before having achieved these things I mention here, it gets 100 times harder. The youngens in this world need to pay attention to this. Get yourself "established" in a world of work before you get silly and start playin around. Besides, the party is always better if you have a good job and can afford better things.
what do you expect

United States

#8 Apr 22, 2010
I'm not a felon and had the same job for 11yrs.But, if a criminal can't get a job due to their past. What do you think they will do what they gotta do to get by, and then still be criminals.People act like"oh they have record, I don't what them working with me."I say ok when we go to work tomorrow they will be breaking into your house to get income since you won't let them get hired.
kim

Woodridge, IL

#9 Apr 22, 2010
I agree if felons cant get jobs they go back to doing what they did in the past. My hussband luckly has a job through a temp service. it sucks but its a job he works at j&j in sunman not sure if that name is spelled correctly but if you know felons send them there. It sucks my husband committed the crime over 10 yrs ago and was young and stupid. IM so glad he is a changed man now. We may have to look into getting his felon expunged, may help him alot. thanks foe that tip.

Since: Apr 10

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#10 Apr 22, 2010
I agree kim. If we dont get them at least a 2nd chance then how are they supposed to NOT go back to what they are doing. In your case your husband has changed who he was and is a great man ( yes i do know him for the others reading this) but he is continuously held back because of soemthing he did when he was stupid and young. he has PROVEN he isnt like that and it still haunts him.

For people who rape and molest children. lock their sorry asses up and never let them out. but other crimes need to be looked at and evaulated.

a child rapist can go get state assistance when they get out of jail but a pot seller can not. wtf does that say???? you sold pot so no one is going to help you , you cant get a job so you cant support yourself and any family you may have so what are you going to do but go back selling drugs to buy diapers for your babies ass and formula so they dont starve. the system is truely fucked!!!
2manyme

Gays, IL

#11 Apr 28, 2010
No. Felons are not finished paying their debt to society. Like it or not, once a felon, you are one for life. Most respectable employers do not want potential criminals working for them as it hurts their business. Felons do not have the right to work high level positions that require college degrees, excellent work ethics, or professional experience. No felons should be allowed these jobs. The only work that a felon is entitled to is fast food, gas stations, retail stores, or factory work. Felons shouldn't be allowed to go to college either, but some do anyway.You break our laws, you lose you position in society.
I know

Duncan, OK

#12 Apr 28, 2010
Pals wrote:
The felony can go away for some big bucks....Hire a lawyer and have the felony expunged!!!!! But it's gonna cost ya !!!!
You're an idiot. Read the statute defining the process of expungement. It is required that the person seeking expungement prove that probable cause for the arrest did not exist in the first place. This is nearly impossible to prove. Again, you are an idiot.
I know

Duncan, OK

#13 Apr 28, 2010
2manyme wrote:
No. Felons are not finished paying their debt to society. Like it or not, once a felon, you are one for life. Most respectable employers do not want potential criminals working for them as it hurts their business. Felons do not have the right to work high level positions that require college degrees, excellent work ethics, or professional experience. No felons should be allowed these jobs. The only work that a felon is entitled to is fast food, gas stations, retail stores, or factory work. Felons shouldn't be allowed to go to college either, but some do anyway.You break our laws, you lose you position in society.
Wow. You're a bigger idiot than Pals.
I know

Duncan, OK

#14 Apr 28, 2010
kim wrote:
I agree if felons cant get jobs they go back to doing what they did in the past. My hussband luckly has a job through a temp service. it sucks but its a job he works at j&j in sunman not sure if that name is spelled correctly but if you know felons send them there. It sucks my husband committed the crime over 10 yrs ago and was young and stupid. IM so glad he is a changed man now. We may have to look into getting his felon expunged, may help him alot. thanks foe that tip.
You husband should get an education and prepare himself better and put some time between what he did and the present. Trust me, it worked for me. If a person works hard at changing and bettering themselves, then it will show and it will speak volumes to potential employers. Learn from the past and prepare for the future.

“Live, Love, Laugh”

Since: Dec 08

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#16 Apr 28, 2010
Randy Johnson wrote:
First of all, go back and read your first sentence carefully. The way it is worded you are saying that higher paying jobs are unavailable to people who play by the rules.
Here is a news flash. ANY kind of job - particularly in Fayette county - is scarce at this time. That makes competition for the few that may be out there fierce. An employer is naturally going to look for the best person they can find, and if you (you being a general term here, not the original poster in particular) have no special skills and/or a good solid work history you are going to go to the back of the line.
If I were hiring, a criminal record would be likely to trump any other qualifications regardless. Depending on the offense and the job it could eliminate a candidate from consideration immediately. A person might have excellent ability in one of the construction trades, but if they have been arrested multiple times for theft or burglary Iím not about to have them working in peopleís homes. Or for that matter, anywhere else where their fingers might get stuck to something that could be carted off. More leeway would be considered for drug/alcohol offenses and the like. People can and do change, but I would hire someone in this category with the strict understanding that there is a zero tolerance for backsliding. Another arrest or showing up for work impaired would be grounds for instant termination.
If you are a convicted felon, at some point in your life you decided that the rules did not apply to you. This is not an attitude most employers are very fond of. It is possible to turn things around but it is unrealistic to think that you get to start at the top. Like it or not, you moved yourself to the back of the line. It is going to take some time working lower paying jobs to clean up your reputation.
If you are seriously trying to do that, I wish you all the best.
Excellent post Randy. I couldn't agree more.
kim

Woodridge, IL

#17 Apr 28, 2010
Milee wrote:
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Excellent post Randy. I couldn't agree more.
Thanks it has been 10 yrs since he committed this crime. He is working hard and improves himself daily.
kim

Woodridge, IL

#18 Apr 28, 2010
sorry Milee, I was trying to reply to I know.
I totally Agree

Levittown, NY

#19 Apr 28, 2010
YUP This guy is The DUMBEST AZZ Poster I've Seen on HERE!!! IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!
I know wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow. You're a bigger idiot than Pals.
Justa Guy

United States

#20 Apr 29, 2010
2manyme obviously has never visited his "dark side", or maybe this is the expression of his dark side?
Many folks who end up convicted of a felony, have already attained a good and proper education or career training- does that just go away after conviction?
I'll give that certain crimes show a type immorality and lack of ethic that may preclude some types of work, but many things that are categorized as felony simply display a weakness that may have nothing to do with one's ability to do a fine job in many fields.
Go back and read what Randy and I have posted here- it makes more sense than creating an extra sub-social economic class.
Local Yokel

Elmhurst, IL

#22 Apr 29, 2010
The title should be changed to former felons because once you've served your time you've paid your debt to society.

Hey, I don't mind if former convicts bag my groceries and I don't mind if work release convicts pick up trash.

They deserve a chance to make amends by giving back to the community by being a productive member of society.

They also have families to support.

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