Visalus: scam central
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Ponzi

Muncie, IN

#1 Sep 25, 2012
So i was proposed this product and then did research of my own, Is ViSalus a Pyramid Scheme?

The answer, in my opinion, is yes! I realize this is a serious accusation, but follow me on this. Before I get to the pyramid scheme part let's get to the false claim, "It allows everybody... do it at absolutely no cost." It is mathematically impossible for everybody to do it at no cost. For every single person doing it at no cost, there must be at least 3 times the product paid for from others. There is no situation where everyone gets the product for free. Of course, it would put the company out business, so that's not to be expected, but this false marketing shouldn't be allowedIf you understand how it works, you end up referring other people to buy product. In the video, the spokesman makes a special point of saying that you are referring "customers, not distributors" to buy kits. However, those "customers" are in fact distributors as they can do the same. At the 3:30 mark it is confirmed by the spokesperson saying (paraphrasing) "if one of your customers refers three customers and get their kit for free, you still get yours." In other words, ViSalus has just confused the traditional definition of an MLM distributor with a customer in this video. It still hits what the FBI says about pyramid schemes:

"At the heart of each pyramid scheme is typically a representation that new participants can recoup their original investments by inducing two or more prospects to make the same investment."

There's also this from the FTC:

"Not all multilevel marketing plans are legitimate. Some are pyramid schemes. It’s best not to get involved in plans where the money you make is based primarily on the number of distributors you recruit and your sales to them, rather than on your sales to people outside the plan who intend to use the products."

In referring people you have not made a sale to someone outside of ViSalus, but recruited what amounts to a distributor who can refer others as well. This person is now considered "within ViSalus" rather than outside ViSalus. It is a very, very tricky thing for most people to understand without having experience in looking into these schemes.

The FTC has put out a lot of documentation on this. I've compiled it into a guide at MLMs Vs. Pyramid Schemes. The thing that dooms this ViSalus program to being a pyramid scheme is that sales aren't to end customers, but to people who are essentially distributors since they too can refer others.

Update: From ViSalus' IPO filing, CNBC found this beauty: "we do not believe that we are subject to laws regulating pyramid schemes... there is a risk that a governmental agency or court could disagree with our assessment..."

If there wasn't a very real risk of ViSalus being a pyramid scheme, there would be no need to warn about it. Do you think IBM or McDonalds has such disclosures in their SEC filings? Hint: They don’t.
bout Time

Richmond, IN

#2 Sep 26, 2012
It is sad watching all these folks being taken advantage of. Some folks who have tried it, have been overcharged and when they ask Vi to stop sending it, they don't (and they keep billing them). No refunds either. I have heard from some of these Vi Salespersons' family members who have said it has ruined relationships because they are constantly pushing their product to everyone in the family. Friends no longer hang out because they are always pitching their "shakes". Its sad, and they don't even see it (money, money, money).
yup

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Sep 27, 2012
I can't believe these people are so stupid!
El Truth

Connersville, IN

#5 Sep 27, 2012
I love all the buzz words too. People calling themselves "directors" and "rising star"...cult.

Can't wait for the feds to move in for their fraud sweep. Hopefully they'll be stopped before they send out special kool-aid mixes to get rid of witnesses...
Fed Up

United States

#6 Sep 29, 2012
Stephanie Marcum is the WORST at pushing the product. Every Facebook status of her's is about ViSalus. It's so annoying. She doesn't realize it's pushing her friends away.
guest

Wheeling, IL

#7 Sep 29, 2012
Report her to Facebook, she isn't allowed to market a business on her personal Facebook page only through a fan page.
Matt

Johnson City, TN

#8 Oct 4, 2012
Alright...come on. How is it a scam? It's a product line that is being promoted in order to be sold. The products themselves are good, well made It's helping people in many different ways.
1. It's helping people to achieve a healthy lifestyle.
2. As a promoter - it's helping to supplement income or provide a means to be able to work from home for those that need alternatives.

It's no different from Mary Kay, pamperedchef, avon, etc.

The products work. There are incentives for sticking to your 90 day goal. There are incentives for promoting the product.

I will say this though about the promoters. Yes, it can be very annoying when all you see from a FB friend are status updates about Visalus....that gets on my nerves too. Approaching people at every opportunity is also a rookie tactic and yes it will jeopardize relationships you have with others. There's always a right and wrong in every situation.
no clue

Chicago, IL

#9 Oct 4, 2012
so.... what the hell is visalus ?
smh

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Oct 4, 2012
you can get better products going to GNC or Complete Nutrition and cheaper....just get a group of buddies together and do your own 90 day challenge...it will work just fine
Matt

Johnson City, TN

#11 Oct 4, 2012
no clue wrote:
so.... what the hell is visalus ?
Vi = Life
Salus = Health and Prosperity

It's a nutrition and weight-loss system that gets people motivated through a 90-day challenge.

Yes, you may find cheaper alternatives, but there's so much support behind this, so you will be more able to achieve your weight loss or fitness goals. Plus you can become a part of the company by joining up as a promoter. I do this in my spare time. I work as a Network Engineer during the day. I live a healthy lifestyle already as it is. I stay active, but wanted to supplement my income with something that fit me and my lifestyle. It gets people motivated, which is key.
Ponzi

Niles, IL

#12 Oct 5, 2012
It is a pyramid. No one can make “enough” money only selling the product. They have to get other people to sell as well or else they do not make enough money to consider it a good job. More “legs”, More pay, so of course they are going to “help” you, their paycheck depends on it.

Also the “transformation Kit” costs $249. For what you get in the kit you can buy more and better products at GNC, which i buy online because it is even cheaper. Try Bodybuilding.com or vitaminwarehouse.com .

Transformation kit =$249
Gnc (High End)=$85

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GNC

Belvidere, IL

#13 Oct 5, 2012
I priced at GNC and where did you get $85 in comparison. Theres not much difference. There shake mix alone is $85. It might be a little different, but bring 3 people to GNC to buy what compares to Tranaformation kit, and see if they will give you next months for free. Then you might have a point. Why does people have to complain, when we all could use to stay healthy and use some extra money doing so. If GNC had the answers, everyone would be going there,including me.
You know who

Connersville, IN

#14 Oct 5, 2012
The body by vi stuff has been widely discredited by nutrition experts nationwide. One of the ingredients is also an ingredient in House paint. If you want to lose weight you don't need a scam. You need to watch carbs, sugars and calories and of nothing else walk everyday. It is free, safe and doesn't suck you Into a scheme.
MK L

Franklin, GA

#15 Jan 20, 2013
The lady here in Rome Ga named Christa Hood sales that crap and she steals her customers credit card numbers and she has pushed away what friends she had away. As if her affairs and trashy lifestyle was not enough. Go ahead and google her. Christa Hood Rome ga Or google visalus scam Rome ga. She goes around saying it cured her daughter from a deadly disease, what a joke. Everybody here in Rome knows she is a homewrecking housewife and she is scamming her way right to hell
Facts

Brookville, IN

#16 Jan 21, 2013
I've been doing the shakes and have not seen any results. Yes I believe its for sure a scam.I'm a fitness junkie and thought I would give it a try. But yes I wasted my money and made someone else a little richer..
Jaime Collins Wood

Rome, GA

#17 Feb 5, 2013
Christa Hood is a s l u t and she lies about her age... she smokes like a freight train and is claiming she is so healthy. Hahaha what a joke she c
scams everyone she knows , so they will buy her visalus Beware and run away she is nothing but trash, her and her family live like pigs. They claim they are christians, haha Christians dont sleep around behind your husbands back with his friends his best friend and who ever else that will lay down with her. beware she is a very snicky lady
gimic

Loogootee, IN

#18 Feb 5, 2013
It is just another way for overweight people, to get their hopes up. Losing weight is not easy! It's a matter of changing your eating habits. There is no magic wand that can be waved and make it easy. You must eat less and exercise more and learn to live like that. You are not going to spend the rest of your life drinking these expensive "shakes." You must learn lifestyle change! Stephanie Aubuchon is another one who promotes it on fb, constantly! Everyone has their own choices to make and if you choose to waste your money, buy into the "pyramid."
Filko

United States

#19 Feb 5, 2013
Ponzi wrote:
So i was proposed this product and then did research of my own, Is ViSalus a Pyramid Scheme?
The answer, in my opinion, is yes! I realize this is a serious accusation, but follow me on this. Before I get to the pyramid scheme part let's get to the false claim, "It allows everybody... do it at absolutely no cost." It is mathematically impossible for everybody to do it at no cost. For every single person doing it at no cost, there must be at least 3 times the product paid for from others. There is no situation where everyone gets the product for free. Of course, it would put the company out business, so that's not to be expected, but this false marketing shouldn't be allowedIf you understand how it works, you end up referring other people to buy product. In the video, the spokesman makes a special point of saying that you are referring "customers, not distributors" to buy kits. However, those "customers" are in fact distributors as they can do the same. At the 3:30 mark it is confirmed by the spokesperson saying (paraphrasing) "if one of your customers refers three customers and get their kit for free, you still get yours." In other words, ViSalus has just confused the traditional definition of an MLM distributor with a customer in this video. It still hits what the FBI says about pyramid schemes:
"At the heart of each pyramid scheme is typically a representation that new participants can recoup their original investments by inducing two or more prospects to make the same investment."
There's also this from the FTC:
"Not all multilevel marketing plans are legitimate. Some are pyramid schemes. It’s best not to get involved in plans where the money you make is based primarily on the number of distributors you recruit and your sales to them, rather than on your sales to people outside the plan who intend to use the products."
In referring people you have not made a sale to someone outside of ViSalus, but recruited what amounts to a distributor who can refer others as well. This person is now considered "within ViSalus" rather than outside ViSalus. It is a very, very tricky thing for most people to understand without having experience in looking into these schemes.
The FTC has put out a lot of documentation on this. I've compiled it into a guide at MLMs Vs. Pyramid Schemes. The thing that dooms this ViSalus program to being a pyramid scheme is that sales aren't to end customers, but to people who are essentially distributors since they too can refer others.
Update: From ViSalus' IPO filing, CNBC found this beauty: "we do not believe that we are subject to laws regulating pyramid schemes... there is a risk that a governmental agency or court could disagree with our assessment..."
If there wasn't a very real risk of ViSalus being a pyramid scheme, there would be no need to warn about it. Do you think IBM or McDonalds has such disclosures in their SEC filings? Hint: They don’t.
Reminds me of a scam that was run back in the sixties by a guy named Turner it was called Koskot Cosmetics some of the older folks in Connersville got burned !
Umkay

Brookville, IN

#20 Feb 9, 2013
Jaime Collins Wood wrote:
Christa Hood is a s l u t and she lies about her age... she smokes like a freight train and is claiming she is so healthy. Hahaha what a joke she c
scams everyone she knows , so they will buy her visalus Beware and run away she is nothing but trash, her and her family live like pigs. They claim they are christians, haha Christians dont sleep around behind your husbands back with his friends his best friend and who ever else that will lay down with her. beware she is a very snicky lady
Yes lady the topic is Visalus. I think your lost.. If you want to bad mouth Christa Hood start a new convo.. Lmbo.... Get with the program.
MLM Visalus

Chicago, IL

#21 Feb 10, 2013
Visalus is not a scam people. It is called Multi-Level-Marketing. MLM has been around for years. The Visalus company has been in business for over 5 years. If they were doing something wrong they wouldn't be in business still, nor would they be doing this good.

Every MLM company makes mistakes in their marketing but overall Visalus is not doing anything wrong besides selling a sub-par product that really isn't that good for you.

Most MLM health product companies do not sell the best products, because they are all about making money. Health stuff is easy to sell because everyone wants that miracle product that magically makes them lose weight and keeps them healthy.

If you do some research you will find that their products are actually not that good for you. Yes they will help you lose weight but they could cause other problems for you. In the past few years researchers started seeing weight loss & health products with Soy Protein as the main ingredient are not any good for you.

You will have to research very deeply to find this out, because the amount of people wanting to make money off of the visalus products far out weigh the amount of true health professionals and experts that have spent their entire lives learning and educating about a healthy lifestyle.

You will find that the health experts and professionals do not recommend the visalus product. They will tell you about alternative products ways to lose weight and stay healthy, but they don't make a make a dime doing it.

I suggest you do some deep research about the soy contained in the visalus shakes before you bye into their hype. You can get similar shakes else where with much better ingredients.

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