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Grandfather shoots, kills grandson in Commerce

There are 14 comments on the Athens Banner-Herald story from Jun 7, 2009, titled Grandfather shoots, kills grandson in Commerce. In it, Athens Banner-Herald reports that:

Commerce police say a local man shot his wife and grandson this afternoon, killing the 6-year-old boy before being shot himself after a standoff with police.

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Since: Mar 07

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#1 Jun 9, 2009
you have got to be kidding me? what the hell, 6 yrs old, over watermelon.
surprised

United States

#2 Jun 15, 2009
What makes this even worse is they removed this child from its mother saying she provided a dysfuntional family. Dysfuntional families raise dysfuntional kids. The state should had realized that and NOT put the kids with the grandparents. This child was obiviously use to doing thing himself. Having even attempted to fix his own food. What a sad situation. And, what is even worse is children are ignored and abused every day.
OMG

Dawsonville, GA

#3 Jun 16, 2009
OVer a watermelon. what the crap? if my momma would have shot me every time i dropped something i would have been dead for a while now.
Capn Greg

United States

#4 Jun 17, 2009
surprised wrote:
What makes this even worse is they removed this child from its mother saying she provided a dysfuntional family. Dysfuntional families raise dysfuntional kids. The state should had realized that and NOT put the kids with the grandparents. This child was obiviously use to doing thing himself. Having even attempted to fix his own food. What a sad situation. And, what is even worse is children are ignored and abused every day.
The State should have realized?

Apparently you haven't had a first-hand dealing with our lovely DFACS unit have you. For if you had, you'd find that there is almost NO concern for right or safe, but rather whatever it takes to make the in-basket go down.

Why is it that we tend to believe that our "state" or "federal" government have our best interests at heart? We are led to believe that by handing off our problem to them, that there are these diligent worker bees behind the scenes that are toiling away to make everything right with the family..........

Pop...... there goes your bubble.

I've come to understand that these workers for the most part don't give a damn, don't read their case files, and whatever makes their day go faster is just fine by them. You'd be alarmed to really know what kind of trash these people rubber-stamp as being "okay" parents and let our little ones go into unsafe environments.

I've never been one to blindly trust that my government, at any level, has my best interest in mind. For that reason, I'm on them like white on rice.......

I just hope that the next news story you see doesn't involve someone I love.........

“I am listening.......”

Since: Jun 08

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#5 Jun 18, 2009
We spend a great deal of time, thought and energy in the United States debating the morality of abortion and yet very little focus is placed upon the rights of innocent children who have already arrived.

For 4 years, while I lived in Augusta, I was privileged to be a weekend houseparent for a group children's home. These children had been temporarily removed from their home with the idea that those parents could be taught and the children put back into the home. You might imagine that DFACS would be considering that these were "minor" infractions by the parental units.......those infractions included items such as literal starvation of the children to the point they looked like holocaust survivors and were mentally damaged, diaper babies who had been given the eternal gift of STDs from their step fathers, children who had been abandoned in public places and were not old enough to give family information, etc. etc. To the government, children are merely property of an adult.

I am not a proponent of abortion, however, when given due consideration, there are things which are far worse.
Meme

Alto, GA

#6 Jun 23, 2009
WOW, this is so shocking to me... I actually heard that the Grand father did NOT shoot the boy but it is a cover up or he was the "scape goat" because the actually shooter was a commerce cop "hot head" is what they call him... someone please enlighten me, is this true?

Since: Mar 07

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#7 Jun 23, 2009
Meme wrote:
WOW, this is so shocking to me... I actually heard that the Grand father did NOT shoot the boy but it is a cover up or he was the "scape goat" because the actually shooter was a commerce cop "hot head" is what they call him... someone please enlighten me, is this true?
how would it have been a cop? there are such things as forensics aren't there..i'm sure the bullet in the child will most definitely match the gun the grandfather had. Where are you getting your info?
Maysville

AOL

#8 Jun 23, 2009
Meme wrote:
WOW, this is so shocking to me... I actually heard that the Grand father did NOT shoot the boy but it is a cover up or he was the "scape goat" because the actually shooter was a commerce cop "hot head" is what they call him... someone please enlighten me, is this true?
... Talk about spreading "trash" ... you win the prize!!

Since: Mar 07

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#9 Jun 23, 2009
surprised wrote:
What makes this even worse is they removed this child from its mother saying she provided a dysfuntional family. Dysfuntional families raise dysfuntional kids. The state should had realized that and NOT put the kids with the grandparents. This child was obiviously use to doing thing himself. Having even attempted to fix his own food. What a sad situation. And, what is even worse is children are ignored and abused every day.
i have to disagree with your comment, i was raised in a very disfunctional family, beaten for no reason, molested for 9 yrs and i have raised a 20 yr old son that is respectful and wonderful that i never laid my hands on....so breaking the chain is definitely possible...maybe not probable but possible...people that don't break it are just using it as an excuse and they are weak.
surprised

United States

#10 Jun 23, 2009
kimbev69 wrote:
<quoted text>
i have to disagree with your comment, i was raised in a very disfunctional family, beaten for no reason, molested for 9 yrs and i have raised a 20 yr old son that is respectful and wonderful that i never laid my hands on....so breaking the chain is definitely possible...maybe not probable but possible...people that don't break it are just using it as an excuse and they are weak.
They should had looked closer at the grandparents before putting him there. I never said the cycle couldn't be broken..but, the mom was considered dysfunctional. This should had thrown up a flag to dfacs about the grandparents. Things should had been checked out in more detail. Congratulations on your success.
surprised

United States

#11 Jun 23, 2009
Capn Greg wrote:
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The State should have realized?
Apparently you haven't had a first-hand dealing with our lovely DFACS unit have you. For if you had, you'd find that there is almost NO concern for right or safe, but rather whatever it takes to make the in-basket go down.
Why is it that we tend to believe that our "state" or "federal" government have our best interests at heart? We are led to believe that by handing off our problem to them, that there are these diligent worker bees behind the scenes that are toiling away to make everything right with the family..........
Pop...... there goes your bubble.
I've come to understand that these workers for the most part don't give a damn, don't read their case files, and whatever makes their day go faster is just fine by them. You'd be alarmed to really know what kind of trash these people rubber-stamp as being "okay" parents and let our little ones go into unsafe environments.
I've never been one to blindly trust that my government, at any level, has my best interest in mind. For that reason, I'm on them like white on rice.......
I just hope that the next news story you see doesn't involve someone I love.........
Your right. I haven't had first hand dealings with these people. Perhaps that does make me clueless to the situations DFACS is willing to put these children in. I guess thats also the reason this child is dead. What are you doing to be like them like "white on rice"? I'm glad to hear there are people out there like you (that are willing to get involved). What do you recommend I can do to help?
Capn Greg

United States

#12 Jun 24, 2009
surprised wrote:
<quoted text> Your right. I haven't had first hand dealings with these people. Perhaps that does make me clueless to the situations DFACS is willing to put these children in. I guess thats also the reason this child is dead. What are you doing to be like them like "white on rice"? I'm glad to hear there are people out there like you (that are willing to get involved). What do you recommend I can do to help?
What I do is not let the "machine" win. I've got to their offices, stood in line with everyone else for hours, waited my turn to talk to some and came prepared. I didn't accuse or yell or scream, I simply asked questions and discussed options with them.

I also have sat at my desk and dialed a number repeatedly until a person answers the phone. Phone mail won't get it done for me, I need a "live" person. Also, don't hesitate to call the top person either. They usually don't have any knowledge of a case, but they can very quickly get answers if you have enough information to motivate them to do so.

Look for other agencies to help as well. In my state, there is an Office for Child Advocate. Get them involved as well. Again, factual information, not yelling and screaming will yield results.

Lastly, if you have tried the approaches above, do not hesitate for one second to have the media pulled into it. Call newspapers, radio stations, local TV and regional TV stations. They love to get involved where a government agency and a child is involved. They can bring tremendous pressure to a situation.

How can you get involved? I would think to help the many children in "the system" that do not have an advocate like me fighting for them, perhaps you could connect with your state legislators and state level DFCS officials and inquire about reports and statistics and determine where in your state there appears to be the most need. Good starting point.

I had one of these people explain to me yesterday that this particular department was really large, and most of the time is overwhelmed with work, and while they are good people, things do fall through the cracks at times. I asked him if I could use that at the eulogy to somehow explain why this little one didn't survive. After a few seconds pause he answered "Point taken".

In short, don't get mad, don't get over-emotional, be persistant and STICK TO IT!!!!!!! It's pretty easy to do if you remind yourself who you're fighting for.:-)
Capn Greg

United States

#13 Jun 24, 2009
I've got to their offices = I've went to their offices....

opps
Capn Greg

United States

#14 Jun 24, 2009
Clarification:
I had one of these people explain to me yesterday that this particular department was really large, and most of the time is overwhelmed with work, and while they are good people, things do fall through the cracks at times. I asked him if I could use that at the eulogy to somehow explain why this little one didn't survive. After a few seconds pause he answered "Point taken".
This little one is alive.

My comment to this person was to point out that if things "fall through the cracks" they sometimes end up dead and it would be very hard to explain why that was allowed to happen.

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