Coloradans against civil-unions bill rally at state Capitol

Jan 25, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Denver Post

Part religious retreat, part political rally, a wave of speakers stood on the west steps of the state Capitol on Friday to denounce a civil-unions bill winding through the legislature.

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Good Bill. Creates a Civil-Union. Is identified as a Civil-Union, not a Marriage.

>>>The Act shall not be construed to create a marriage between the
parties to a civil union or alter the public policy of this state that
recognizes only the union of one man and one woman as a marriage.<<<

Also an out of state gay "Marriage" that moves to Colorado becomes subject to Civil-Union Act and ceases to be identified as a Marriage.

So many gays miss the boat because they insist on using the word marriage. The Colorado Act grants almost all of benefits availabe to a married couple, and covers all of the rights gays think they are entitled to, except they don't get the word Marriage.
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Way to go COLORADO!!!!!!!!!!
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Stand your ground COLORADO!!!!!!!!!!

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In 2009, Julian Bond wrote, "Black people, of all people, should not oppose equality. And that is what gay marriage represents.... No people of good will should oppose marriage equality. And they should not think that civil unions are a substitute. At best, civil unions are separate but equal. And we all know separate is never equal."

John Lewis, testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the Defense of Marriage Act, remarked, "I am very happy to see the Judiciary Committee holding hearings to address the issue of marriage equality. But at the same time, I must admit I find it unbelievable that in the year 2011 there is still a need to hold hearings and debate whether or not a human being should be able to marry the one they love."

Rev. Dr. William Barber II, North Carolina NAACP chairman, declared, "They're trying to give people, based on their sexuality, a kind of second- or third-class citizenship. We know what that looks like in the NAACP, and we're calling it what it is."

While better than nothing, especially for those with children, there is no reason to deny equal treatment under the law to all persons, as required by the constitution.

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Adopted by several states, this "compromise" may seem reasonable to those not affected. But in this "compromise", only the legal rights of gay people are compromised. They forfeit equality, while the straight majority lose nothing, and would also lose no legal rights by granting full marriage equality.

The Supreme Court ruled on the matter of "separate but equal" in the 1954 case Brown v. Board of Education. The court recognized that "separate but equal" opportunities created a feeling of inferiority for the minorities being segregated, and that this feeling of segregation could cause permanent emotional injury.

The Ca. Supreme Court found "While retention of the limitation of marriage to opposite-sex couples is not needed to preserve the rights and benefits of opposite-sex couples, the exclusion of same sex couples from the designation of marriage works a real and appreciable harm upon same-sex couples and their children.(p.117) Additionally, the court found "the statutory provisions that continue to limit access to this designation exclusively to opposite sex couples likely will be viewed as an official statement that the family relationship of same sex couples is not of comparable stature or equal dignity to the family relationship of opposite-sex couples." (p.118 In re Marriage Cases)

Additionally, Dr. Chris Beyrer,of Johns Hopkins, testified that denying same sex couples the right to marry harms community health: "We know for certain that lesbian and gay individuals suffer harm to their physical and psychological health, and to their relationships and quality of life, as result of the shame, isolation and stigma accrued from their social and legal disenfranchisement."

This "solution" accomodates and promotes irrational prejudice through legal discrimination.
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It's just another step in their quest to re-define marriage. They get civil union and then will go after Marriage.

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It's just another step in their quest to re-define marriage. They get civil union and then will go after Marriage.
You provide no reason for refusing to treat others as you would yourself under the law.
There are none.
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Come on Colorado!

Say NO to homo-marriage!

Say NO to sexual perversion!
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We, the people, voted for Prop 8 in CA only to have a gay judge throw it out. Expecting the SCOTUS to uphold the will of the voters.

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This is why i say fight for gay marriage

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There is no gender equality right in the Constitution. Changing the perfect diversity of marriage as one man and one woman introduces gender apartheid marriage. Down with discriminatory gender segregation marriage; keep marriage gender integrated.

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We, the people, voted for Prop 8 in CA only to have a gay judge throw it out. Expecting the SCOTUS to uphold the will of the voters.
Propositions are frequently declared unconstitutional by the courts. The founders knew majorities would deny equal treatment to minorities, and that is why we have a constitution and a judicial branch to enforce it.

Allowing a majority to vote on the equal rights of a minority is like a pack of wolves and one sheep deciding what to have for dinner. There is nothing fair about it. That is why the constitution requires equal treatment for all persons.

"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." - Thomas Jefferson
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So where does it say that anyone has the "Right" to get married?

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So where does it say that anyone has the "Right" to get married?
"Fourteen times the Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals. This case tests the proposition whether the gay and lesbian Americans among us should be counted as ‘persons’ under the 14th Amendment, or whether they constitute a permanent underclass ineligible for protection under that cornerstone of our Constitution.”
(Attorneys Theodore B. Olson and David Boies in their prop.8 filing)
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Exactly, any male has the right to marry a female and any female has the right to marry a male. The day two males or two females can lie together and create life I will accept them as equals in marriage.

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No Way wrote:
Exactly, any male has the right to marry a female and any female has the right to marry a male. The day two males or two females can lie together and create life I will accept them as equals in marriage.
Procreational ability has never been a requirement for marriage in the US.

Sterile opposite sex couples are allowed to marry every day, as are those who cannot even have sex because one of the partners is locked up in prison, even for violent crimes including spousal abuse, child abuse, rape, other violent crimes.(Turner v.)

Marriage is a fundamental right of the individual. You provide no legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal treatment under the law as required by the constitution.

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Procreational ability has never been a requirement for marriage in the US.
It's always been a benefit of marriage, that an raising children on resources provided by parents, not the state.

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Sterile opposite sex couples are allowed to marry every day,
So are same sex couples, they could go to a jurisdiction that licenses same sex marriage or a religious marriage ceremony. Do you really want marriage exams to measure fertility? How would you run the score and still respect privacy?

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as are those who cannot even have sex because one of the partners is locked up in prison, even for violent crimes including spousal abuse, child abuse, rape, other violent crimes.
Now, consider same sex marriage added, among the imprisoned and institutionalized. Once upon a time you could go to prison and only fear rape, thanks to same sex marriage; prison might mean wedding bells.

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(Turner v.)Marriage is a fundamental right of the individual.
Not quite: " It struck down another regulation that prohibited inmates from marrying without the permission of the warden, finding that it was "not...reasonably related to legitimate penological objectives" and "impermissibly burdened" their right to marry."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_v._Safley

Now, think what same sex marriage would mean to gender segregated populations.

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You provide no legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal treatment under the law as required by the constitution.
Except prisoners who can't appeal to the warden to stop his own 'wedding' to a serial rapist.

Conservatives want to build more prisons, liberals want prisoners to make prison a matrimonial bliss; this is where we differ.

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Marriage is a fundamental right of the individual.

You provide no legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal treatment under the law as required by the constitution.

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No way wrote:
We, the people, voted for Prop 8 in CA only to have a gay judge throw it out. Expecting the SCOTUS to uphold the will of the voters.
If you vote to unconstitutionally harm other taxpayers, expect such votes to be overturned.

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There is no gender equality right in the Constitution..
Equality under the law is guaranteed to ALL, unless there is a state interest in doing otherwise.

Where in the Constitution does it exclude one gender or another from that equal protection?

I believe most of us missed that section.

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