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Bonehead

Bronx, NY

#22 Feb 7, 2009
overtaxed wrote:
Does anybody think that it is fishy that Commack has a director of guidance for the middle and high schools who is only in his thirties (but has "lots of experience according to the Commack newsletter) and is related by marriage to a member of the Board????? NEPOTISM, anybody?
There clearly are some cases of nepotism and the superintedant is trying to restrict conflicts as best as possible.
KJW

New York, NY

#23 Apr 12, 2009
It's not just commack.. you can see all ny state contracts by district at www.seethroughny.net . Go check out the contract for Central Islip, CI is a low income district and look at what a teacher at top pay will make in 2015. That doesn't include the longevity pay which will add about 12000. I actually believe teachers should be paid well, just lose tenure. I want my child to be taught by a highly qualified person and the only way to get them is to reward them with a good contract. Tenure is the cause of what everyone is crying about, it gives the teacher the ability to cut corners and be lazy. That is why Charter schools are doing so well in the city, as compared to PS in the city. They are help accountable, but they stil don't compare to the level of education the kids are receiving here on LI.
lazy teacher

Hauppauge, NY

#24 Apr 23, 2009
Say what you will about how "highly paid" teachers are in this district, but I'd challenge you to find a commack teacher who can support his family on that salary while paying the commack tax rate.

..and for those of you who think teachers don't work hard: no accountant or general contractor has to deal with the heartbreak that comes with a beloved student commiting suicide or harbor the pain of knowing that one of their students is being physically or sexually abused.

If it is such an "easy" gig, why don't all of you go out and get the masters degree necessary to do the job?
a teacher

Bronx, NY

#25 Apr 27, 2009
Why Teachers wrote:
A short description of The Long Island, NY Teacher:
A) Works 7 1/4 hours a day, has 45 minute lunch and 45 minute "professional" period (they usually grade papers at this time)
B) Works 182 days (sometimes less)
C) Loves to teach the same old curriculum year after year after year
D) Gets tremendous raises because of educational credits and inservice credits (They'll even tell you, they got nothing from the course, but they'll get a huge raise for the credits)
E) Tells you they only get a 4 % raise, but they don't tell you they get a step too, which is really an 8 to 10 % raise
F) Can easily make $100,000 (base pay) with only 10 years of service
G) Can easily make 25 % extra with all kinds of stipends
H) Can never get fired, once tenure is given, Even in criminal cases, it usually cost a school district $200,000 in court cost to get rid of a criminal teacher
I) Can walk away with 56 % of their final three year salary average in retirement and can retire at 55
J)Will get "Cost of Living Increase" after 5 years of retirement
Question: Where else in the world can you get in this kind of racket?
PS.. If you don't whole-heartedly agree with the Long Island teacher at parent/techer conferences they become angered and belligerent and verbally challenge you and make you feel small, because they are a "god". Teacher love making you feel small and they are always right. One more thing... teacher are the cheapest people on earth
Teachers will even turn on each other. When its time for budget cuts the $100,000 teacher loves the fact the new $25,000 teacher is getting canned.
Also, some teachers are concerned of you r kids… The average teacher could care less and they show it
There are constantly checking their bank accounts to see if they can enough money for their Lexus and other premium products.
Teachers care less of result decision making data… If the state assessment is too low.. Oh Well.. Too Bad
Teachers don’t like to look at assessment data… They take it personally, even though the data shows what area they need to improve in
I don't know who/what you are referring to, but in my 21 years not one of these "facts" applies to me. You were probably absent from school when your teachers taught you about checking facts before writing them.
commack

Commack, NY

#26 Jun 4, 2009
Instead of complaining, why don't you get educated and get yourself a teaching job. Believe it or not, more of your tax money goes to people on welfare who sit on their asses all day then on teachers who educate your children. Higher pay attracts best qualified teachers.
Sue W

Blauvelt, NY

#27 Aug 25, 2009
Happy wrote:
I suggest you not demand excellence in your schools and not be prepared to pay for it. Go online and find a district anywhere on LI or the entire country, where you like what teachers are getting paid. Then look at that community, their graduation rate and their qualty of life. Ask yourself if you want to live there?
I could not agree with you more. The teachers are so well educated. What is more important than teaching children of all ages?.. They are this country's future.
Eric

Randolph, NJ

#28 Jan 22, 2010
no fool wrote:
This contract is a joke right? Do teachers and school administrators really earn that much money??? Why? They only work 9 months per year at a part time job....
Maybe they work that little where you live, but not here on LI. I work 10 months a year, 5 days a week in school, at least 10 hrs after school each week grading and planning. Add that up genius and what do you get? Do I get paid for the extra 250-300 hrs of 'overtime' I put in? No, but I sure don't feel guilty with the summers off, because I know I work my tail off during the school year. Try teaching for a year and let's see how your tune changes real quick. I'm sure you'd be burnt out in a month, because you seem like an ignoramus.
It's great to live in a country where teachers are bashed for daring to make $100,000 later in their careers, but its no problem to cheer an athlete who will have no affect on our future one bit. Its a wonder people go into the teaching field with so many detractors out there!
whatever

Elizabeth, NJ

#30 Jan 25, 2010
Yeah, and I am sure that was really Tom Tornee...
Pick on someone else

White Plains, NY

#31 Jan 27, 2010
I am not a teacher, nor do I have children. I live on LI and pay really high school taxes like every one else. I feel sorry for the teachers who have their salaries published, examined and then criticized by anyone and everyone out here. Yes, the education system is broken, but I don't think it is the hardworking teachers (there are some bad apples as there are in every other profession) who should bear the brunt of our greedy and corrupt policians and higher ups who caused the financial crisis we are in. No one I know who teaches is rich, they are getting by like the rest of us. Most of the people I know who teach actually spend money out of their own money to buy supplies for the classroom or food/admission for kids who 'forgot' their money (or can't afford it). I had to stand up for the people I know who teach, one in particular who is student teaching right now and will soon become a wonderful Physics teacher. Your kids will be lucky to have her and she is worth her teaching weight in gold.
Michael

Old Westbury, NY

#32 Apr 6, 2010
A Random Guy wrote:
Higher pay = better teachers = better education = higher property values.
You pay for what you get. If you complain, move to a lower paying district with less qualified staff and lower housing prices. There is a direct correlation between education systems and housing prices. Your arguments are all very short sided, and don't forget, it was a teacher who educated you as well (probably from a low paying district based on the comments above).
Good grief. It amazes me how nieve people are. The correlation between spending and academic performance is a fantasy. Just look at some poor performing districts that have had dollars pumped into them. Performance did not improve. The only correlation worth talking about is the correlation between family involvement in a child's education and performance.
LI TEACHER

Hampton Bays, NY

#33 Apr 25, 2010
Long Island Taxpayer wrote:
Teachers have to take as many post graduate credits as doctors and they pay for it themselves. Their benefits aren't free, they pay for them like all other companies. Their performance is reviewed and critiqued annually unlike those posting here complaining. The teachers in these high paid districts are what make your property values increase. If you did a little research you'd notice these teachers aren't even that high paid comparably on Long Island and the taxes in that community are pretty reasonable on Long Island. Freeze their salaries like the one uniformed poster wrote and the results will go down, you will lose teachers, and you'll lose a lot more money in property value than you would in what you pay for taxes. Do a little research so you can appear somewhat educated before posting on public forums. Or you can move to SC, pay 150K for a house that will be worth 155K in ten years and you'll also be forced to pay 20K for a private school just so your kid can count to ten. Don't you think there is a reason why your house worth 125K sells for 500K? It's certainly not because of anything any of you have done. Show a little respect and gratitude instead of sounding so uniformed. This is the only country in the world that complains about education costs and it's sad.
I agree with this post...As a teacher we are committed to our students. In some districts we are not just teachers we are the substitute for parents. We to are educated for years after attaining a Masters degree, with the salary we to have a price to pay back, our student Loans...
Rob

Northport, NY

#34 Nov 20, 2010
You make teaching on LI sound like a desirable profession. The teachers you describe (or should I say, generalize) don't seem very competent either. It must be very easy to get a position on LI. Why don't you go to school and become a teacher? Or are you even less competent and undeserving than the teachers you describe in your uninformed and idiotic post?
The fact is people like you and most of the people who posted here could never get through a teaching program at the college level, could never get a job in the first place, and if they got lucky enough to get a job, would never last. Most of the teachers in my home district are a lot more dedicated than you make them out to be, and they make a lot less money than the lawyers, stockbrokers, and bankers who contribute nothing positive to society.
Why Teachers wrote:
A short description of The Long Island, NY Teacher:
A) Works 7 1/4 hours a day, has 45 minute lunch and 45 minute "professional" period (they usually grade papers at this time)
B) Works 182 days (sometimes less)
C) Loves to teach the same old curriculum year after year after year
D) Gets tremendous raises because of educational credits and inservice credits (They'll even tell you, they got nothing from the course, but they'll get a huge raise for the credits)
E) Tells you they only get a 4 % raise, but they don't tell you they get a step too, which is really an 8 to 10 % raise
F) Can easily make $100,000 (base pay) with only 10 years of service
G) Can easily make 25 % extra with all kinds of stipends
H) Can never get fired, once tenure is given, Even in criminal cases, it usually cost a school district $200,000 in court cost to get rid of a criminal teacher
I) Can walk away with 56 % of their final three year salary average in retirement and can retire at 55
J)Will get "Cost of Living Increase" after 5 years of retirement
Question: Where else in the world can you get in this kind of racket?
PS.. If you don't whole-heartedly agree with the Long Island teacher at parent/techer conferences they become angered and belligerent and verbally challenge you and make you feel small, because they are a "god". Teacher love making you feel small and they are always right. One more thing... teacher are the cheapest people on earth
Teachers will even turn on each other. When its time for budget cuts the $100,000 teacher loves the fact the new $25,000 teacher is getting canned.
Also, some teachers are concerned of you r kids… The average teacher could care less and they show it
There are constantly checking their bank accounts to see if they can enough money for their Lexus and other premium products.
Teachers care less of result decision making data… If the state assessment is too low.. Oh Well.. Too Bad
Teachers don’t like to look at assessment data… They take it personally, even though the data shows what area they need to improve in
Rob

Northport, NY

#35 Nov 20, 2010
You are reading unreliable data if you think charter schools are doing well. The city is pushing charter schools so the data they publish, which is not validated by an unbiased source, is deliberately skewed.
Eliminating tenure will just give a district the right to get rid of a teacher when he/she begins to finally make enough money to live comfortably. You can't eliminate job security in a profession that is essentially governed by uninformed taxpayers.
KJW wrote:
It's not just commack.. you can see all ny state contracts by district at www.seethroughny.net . Go check out the contract for Central Islip, CI is a low income district and look at what a teacher at top pay will make in 2015. That doesn't include the longevity pay which will add about 12000. I actually believe teachers should be paid well, just lose tenure. I want my child to be taught by a highly qualified person and the only way to get them is to reward them with a good contract. Tenure is the cause of what everyone is crying about, it gives the teacher the ability to cut corners and be lazy. That is why Charter schools are doing so well in the city, as compared to PS in the city. They are help accountable, but they stil don't compare to the level of education the kids are receiving here on LI.
what todo

Newark, NJ

#36 Aug 29, 2011
i think teachers in commack get pd for doing shit they sit there and let the kids run the classroom ...
if teachers get pd for the time they worked they have a 1/2 the sal
Lauren

United States

#38 Feb 16, 2012
You all obviously don't teach and just assume. Come live a day in my shoes and then talk to me about being overpaid. My school day does not end at 3:20p either, I constantly take home work to grade and stay late for extra help. What other job requires a master's degree? Does yours? I didn't think so. I had to pay $25,000 dollars to get a master's degree because it is "required" by NYS. I need to pay to take classes each year so I can maintain my certification and continue to be up to date with new information. Get your facts straight. We work hard and basically parent all your children too, you should be appreciative.
Lenny

East Northport, NY

#39 Feb 18, 2012
Bonehead wrote:
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What would happen if you didn't pay proper salaries to any profession is that less people would invest their college tuition and energy towards that profession. You would have less teachers to choose from and you would have to settle on a less qualified candidate for the job.
3 things draw teachers to the Commack school district - money, professional environment and the quality of the students. Residents that want their kids to get a quality pay and appreciate the teachers' efforts.
Do you know the financial investment and the amount of time it takes to become a teacher? Do you know how hard it is to become tenured in Commack?
You must be kidding. Teachers have NO ACCOUNTABILITY and are fighting against a Performance Review system. The rest of the worlds workers get reviewed each year. Are teachers any different or do they want something "special".
For 100 years they and their Union have fought Appraisals and now they say they need time to develop a "fair" program. Isn't 100 years enough? How embarassing that they are not smart enought to come up with a "fair and Necessary" program. They say, "we need time and don't want to rush in".
Rush in--100 years is enough time. Teachers are letting our children and America down. All of us made a financial investment in our education and work 50-60 hours per week with 2-4 weeks vacation. And, no pension and benefits for life. Shame on Teachers and their Union.

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