Are you a Freemason?
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#1 Jun 22, 2012
For many people in any social group or society, it is amazing to discover how many don't really know the core truths of the very group they belong to. Time after time, the news reports of how thousands have been hoodwinked by the very group they belong to and have belong to for years!
Freemasonry is one such group. It is said, many who belong are upstanding citizens and business people... er, men. It is a male dominated group.
As an example, many lower ranked younger members are not aware of what occurs in the highest ranks and might think twice of belonging if they did.
Only those in the higher echelons of the lodges, from the 31st to 33rd degree, were aware that satanic worship was at the core of their rituals and that Lucifer was worshiped as the Great Architect of the Universe.
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#2 Jun 22, 2012
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#3 Jun 22, 2012
Open eyes - you are an idiot. The "Great Architect" is God, NOT Lucifer. They changed it from "Creator" to "Great Architect".
It is not male dominated - it is male only. You must be a man to get in. There is another fraternal organization for both masons and their female relatives, the Order of the Eastern Star. To be in either organization you must believe in a supreme being, and you must be voted upon by the lodge or chapter in which you desire to become a member.
Both organizations have prayer during their meetings. They pray to God.
The Shriners' Childrens Hospitals across the nation are founded by Masons, who also contribute a lot to other charitable organizations such as Habitat for Humanity.
There is a faction out there who continuously tries to bring negative publicity to the Masons by accusing them of Satanic worship. Their accusations are simply not true. Some of the most decent Christian men I know are Masons.
So tell me - why did you get blackballed? That's the only reason I know that someone would want to bring them down. You tried to get in but they blackballed you.
#4 Jun 22, 2012
That web site didn't open for me. It was not found.
You are right to have your heart reacting to what is troubling to your spirit. My maternal grandpa was a Mason. He was not evil or mean. Love surrounded him. He was a Christian. There was a time, I wanted to have his grave moved out of the Masonic Cemetery. He was too loving to have been a Mason. You can't rescue the dead. Not even aborted babies.
I know he was a Christian and leave it in God's Hands. I am not putting down the members. They do good. If anything ungodly is going on, I wouldn't know. Any club has both good and bad personalities. As long as they aren't hurting anyone, let them be.
#5 Jun 22, 2012
I just became a Master Mason within the last month. This group of men are among the most godly group of people that I have ever known. Don't believe all the junk about devil worship, it is not true and Iam happy and proud to call myself a Master Mason. To be one just ask one!!
#6 Jun 22, 2012
Well, thank you for those kind words and calling me an idiot. I am sure it is an example of your order. I am fully aware of the good things Shriners' have done. That is no proof of anything and one could argue it is just a front, or facade to make them look good.
Yes, technically it is male only. I was speaking of both groups as a whole, women are dominated by the men. I know, big whoop.
I'm glad you added that one must believe in a "supreme being". They at least at one time called that the single one God The Creator of the Holy Bible, but now, you can believe in Allah, and all the other so-called gods which really taints the whole thing.
Since you are a woman, you really don't have much of a dog in this race since the order demands secrecy, therefore you have no idea what is being done and said in the higher ranks (unless you looked into it, which you offer up nothing in rebuttal).
Here are a few quotes from the men who have been there:
"Palladism is necessarily a luciferian rite. Its religion is Manichaean neo-gnostism, teaching that the divinity is dual and that lucifer is equal of Adonay, with lucifer the God of Light and Goodness struggling for humanity against Adonay the God of darkness and Evil.. Albert Pike had only specified and unveiled the dogmas of the high grades of all other masonries, for in no matter what rite, The Great architect of the Universe is not the God worshipped by Christians" - Extract from 'Masonry - beyond the light' Wm.Schnoebelen former 32nd degree Mason
“When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.”-‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree.
And I haven't even touched the correlation of symbols and Satan. However, I am quite sure that most members are either unaware and innocently believe they belong to a seemingly benign civic community organization, or if higher up in degrees, blindly refusing to see or happy in what they worship. I am not blacked balled by anyone.
When people do things in secrecy in the dark, how God minded can they really be? God speaks long about the dangers of the dark and those who keep secrets.
#7 Jun 22, 2012
Lets set the record straight. Albert Pike, a former Confederate General and Master Mason once used the term "lucifer" to refer to the idea of light not devil worship. Masons are always seeking more light(knowledge) in their lives. All Master Masons are 3rd degree and as a Master Mason you can not go any farther than that as a Master Mason. Regardless of their age or how long they have been a Master Mason we all get one vote and things are democratic. A one year member could be elected to the top position in our brotherhood. In order to be a "Shriner" you first must have become a Master Mason. Not all Master Masons are Shriners but all Shriners are Master Masons. After you recieve your third degree, as a Master Mason you can and it is you choice and not required to obtain additional degrees either in the York or Scottish Rites. This is not a part of the Master Mason frat. but you do have to be a Master Mason to apply for membership in these other organizations. The Masons are very Godly men and pay respect to him many many times during regular and special meetings. Take your propaganda somewhere else, these men are fine examples of Christians here in America. One last time, there is no higher rank among Master Masons than the 3rd degree and the 32nd and 33rd degrees are in Scottish and York Rites and are not part of "Blue Lodges." Also you are not an idiot, simply an uninformed individual looking for a conspiracy which does not exist. the local lodge has pamplets dealing with Masonry and you are welcome to stop by and pick one up or ask a Mason for one
#8 Jun 22, 2012
The goat. Explain that emblem on here.
#9 Jun 22, 2012
Well thanks for setting the record straight. I am not really an idiot. In fact, please do bit more clarifying if you don't mind. Much of what you just said is a bit confusing and I wouldn't want others to be misinformed.
First you say, "All Master Masons are 3rd degree and as a Master Mason you can not go any further than that as a Master Mason." But then later you add, "... you do have to be a Master Mason to apply for membership in these other organizations.", meaning the Rites that pursue the higher degrees.
That being said, it begs to question, are you saying that all Mason members in the local lodge (Lewisburg) are no more than 3rd degree Masons? In other words, if they apply and are accepted to the other Rites and therefore subject to those higher degrees, can they still be a member of the local lodge? If so, then your first statement, "All Master Masons are 3rd degree and as a Master Mason you can not go any farther than that as a Master Mason." makes no sense, you are simply changing frats within the same house.
Also, by what you are saying, it is only those in the Scottish and York Rites that are taking a different path than that of Master Masons. Would that also be correct? In which case, you being only a 3rd degree Master Mason would not have the information that those at 32, 33 degree have. Wouldn't that also be correct?
I am not trying to be a smart alack, just trying to make sense of it all and be more knowledgeable so as not to appear to be an idiot.
I understand your take on Albert Pike, I did my research. Although what he said is still debated, you did not say anything about the others that I quoted. As I said, I have no doubt about those in the lower degrees as to their allegiance to the God of Christianity, but are all Masons Christian?
#10 Jun 22, 2012
Try this Mae:
#11 Jun 22, 2012
I truly understand how you feel and I am not out to degrade you as others may think. Just looking for the truth. My take on it is, those of the lower ranks don't know what happens in the other Rites and should they pursue that, by the time they get up there, they make new discoveries of what is really going on and are either condoning it or brainwashed or maybe just don't really care. There must be something to it for it to persist. That is the problem with having secrets I guess.
#12 Jun 22, 2012
I should not have called you an idiot. I apologize.
I don't have quotes from books, etc. All I have is that my father was, and my husband is a Mason, and they are both two of the best men I have ever known. I have met many of the masons in the local lodge and have found them all to be good men with strong character and integrity.
You are right. As a woman, I do not have all knowledge about Freemasonry. But I do know my husband and my father. Not everything is "secret." There are some things which they keep to themselves, and are sworn to never reveal to anyone else. This is why I don't put a lot of faith in the things that I see published. If a Mason swears not to reveal anything, then publishes a book about it, what is his motivation, and what kind of person does that make him to be?
I do know a few things that have been asked.
As a Master (3rd degree) Mason, you are the same in the lodge as those who have gone further. When they vote on an issue, such as whether to accept a candidate, for example, each Mason gets one vote, whether they are 3rd degree or 32nd degree. One man, one vote.
You must be a Master Mason to be a Shrine. The Shriners are a different organization from Freemasons. Not all Masons become Shriners, but all Shriners are Master Masons.
They must believe in a supreme being. Across the world, there are Christians, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, who are Masons. So no, not all Masons are Christians.
#13 Jun 22, 2012
And there in is one of my points. I am sure your dad and husband were/are upstanding men. I never meant to make it a personal attack against individuals, but rather the institution/organization as a whole. You cannot not have anything that is nine parts good and one part bad considered just good.
By your omission, as I suspected, even though there are those who are stuck at 3rd degree, that is totally irrelevant to the point that the Rites and the Masons are two separate organizations if they meet together. Which means even those stuck at 3rd degree are subject to abiding what the 32nd and 33rd degree say.
I agree with your statement of suspicious allegations against those who once swore to keep silent and break that vow. God also states no man should make a vow to God and break it, but these men do not represent God nor a vow to God of the bible, as they can believe in any god. God said, there is but One God and you will not have any other. So, just how sacred were their vows to begin with?
#14 Jun 22, 2012
This will probably sound crazy to the uninformed(not a 3rd degree Mason) but we really are not a secret organization but rather an organization that does keep secrets among its dedicated members. Any man, if his heart is in the right place and is willing to put others before himself(brothers) and is willing to do all the memory work(it is alot) to get his degrees then any man can join and learn the secrets of masonry. I can not go into any detail about our rites or rituals because I took to vow to keep them secret to myself and only to a brother of the same degree. If you are a man and your heart is in the right place and is not just trying to get into the Masons to reveal our secrets, then by all means "ask one to be one." We will know what your motives are after the first meeting and if you are trying to fool us. As far as things being written and on the internet, just check out Duncan's Masonic Rites and Rituals. 90% of what he has written about the first three degrees is pure junk because I just went throught these degrees and Duncan's descriptions are WRONG. "Westhills Mom" there is no doubt in my mind that your father and husband are truly goodly men like myself. If they are still in the Dillahunty or Chapel Hill Lodge, I can asure you that I know them and they know me and we are brothers forever and we do not forget widows and orphans. That you can take to the bank. Also one last thing, have you ever seen a list of all the famous and important men in American History that were lifelong Masons. Look it up, these are great men and masonry played a very large part in there lives.
#15 Jun 22, 2012
Let me ask you then, first, what degree are you and secondly, unless you are a 32nd, or 33rd degree, how do you know that you've haven't been hoodwinked. Could the unsuspecting millions of lower rank members be supporting the few, allegedly evil, top members? And never know it?
#16 Jun 22, 2012
No I am not. I would not belong to an organization which hides behinds secrets, but does not hide behind secrets. If there was a hint of anti God that traveled with the name I would not want to belong to it. Why don't the "higher ups" denounce the evil thoughts and rumors?
The worker bees don't have a clue, they are just pawns in the game and may cover real well for the higher ups. I am sure the worker bees are all great guys with great intentions and make the efforts which bring them pride but I can't say that for the higher ups.
What on earth is so sacred they need to keep a secret? Is the secret the real secret. Is the secret made up and is what keeps the average guy intrigued and wanting to join? I see a certain ring and I keep my guard up. Secret society?????
#17 Jun 22, 2012
For those Masons who believe in GOD, I say this. Are you good to your family? Would you leave your daughter who is going into premature labor and rush to a LODGE nearly 80 miles away? My feelings are hurt right now by the man who did this to me. Family asked me what we needed. I called for a vaccum cleaner. He kept saying he was going to buy it. Once he got my child's address and work number, he completely showed his true hateful self and said, no he wasn't going to help me! Abusiveness is not in every man. Please, NEVER LET ANYTHING HAVE THAT HOLD ON YOU.
#18 Jun 22, 2012
Iam a 3rd degree Master Mason and Iam very proud of it and it is the highest rank a mason may obtain in "his" lodge and I have already told you that in a previous post. Master Masons meet in what are called "Blue Lodges." If a mason decides to go to the shriners, york or scottish rites in many cases he never returns on a regular basis to his original blue lodge but does keep up his dues. Most Masons do not wish to go outside of their own lodge and as a result just retain the title Master Mason. If he does return, he does not spread any info. to a master mason or the lodge itself and does not try to influence them, those things are only discussed in the lodge meetings of similar degreed scottish or york rites members. If a man in most cases has a 10th or 30th degree most of the people in his home lodge doesn't know about it or really care because it does not influence them as a 3rd degree mason. Scottish and York Rites Lodges are only found in your much larger cities. I have not told you any thing that you
could not have found in the pamplets given out in these local lodges but felt obligated to defend the honor of all Masons when people start and try to influence people that the Masons are demonic, what a joke. If we were ashamed we would not wear our rings and place ours symbols on our property. You would also probably be shocked to know all the Master Mason that live right here in Marshall County and the services they have provided for the citizens over the years.
#19 Jun 22, 2012
Well now that was much clearer. So if there is any "evil" worshiping going on, it would be with those belonging to the higher order Rites. Now that makes more sense. So, I was not aware the Shriners where a Rite like the Scottish and York. So I take it that means you can climb the degrees within the Shriners as well? Also, does any of the money from the Free Masons such as dues make their way to the Rites?
#20 Jun 22, 2012
Mae, I can only tell you that my own father, when I called him to say I was going to the hospital to have my babies, dropped what he was doing to be at my side. When my cousin died, he climbed off his crane and came home to be with his sister who had just lost her only child. Family always came first. My husband is the same. He has missed lodge meetings for family reasons, and we have received nothing but support, friendship and generosity from them. Not all men have family as their first priority - but if a man neglects his family to watch football, does that mean all football fans are neglecting their families? Some men go fishing to get away - but we don't ban fishing. Anyone can get sideways in their responsibilities. Freemasonry teaches its members to put God first, then family. It also teaches them to be fiscally responsible, to pay their financial obligations.
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