titonton divaunte pants

United States

#17296 Jan 14, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Interestingly, a majority of Justices on the SCOTUS were appointed by republican presidents.
what, did you just figure that out? You don't think republicans are bought and sold by big insurance companies, just like the dems who wrote obama care?
titonton divaunte pants

United States

#17297 Jan 14, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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That is a separate question, although all presidents claim that they don't have litmus tests for nominees.
Your assertion, however, is that the justices lied in order to get the appointment. What did they lie about, when did they do it and who did they lie to?
that's not something they were dishonest about? I think you like to play word gaames and you're only winning in your own mind.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#17298 Jan 14, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Duke. My history lessons told that the reason they were given life time appointments instead of being elected was put them above politics. BUT the congressional approval process is full of politics itself.
They had a good idea, it just doesn't work as the founders thought it would. It's a bit of a shame. woof
To suggest that they didn't realize that the appointment process itself would be enmeshed with and influenced by politics seems to me to not acknowledge their foresight, in general. Its foolish to think they didn't know that, specifically.

What they surely knew was that once someone was vetted and approved, they could not be removed other than through death, a legal finding of incompetency, or voluntary retirement.

woof
Old Guy

Brookville, OH

#17299 Jan 14, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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What were they untruthful about?
All recent nominees have pledged that they uphold the idea of "Stare Decisis", respect for precedent. However, it is obvious that the conservative SCOTUS Judges would like nothing better than to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and would do it in a second if they had the numbers. Likewise, the Citizens United decision overturned long-standing precedent, even though John Roberts repeatedly supported "Stare Decisis" during his confirmation hearings.
Old Guy

Brookville, OH

#17300 Jan 14, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Souter shifted hard to the left. That's common knowledge.
If this isn't a textbook leftist quote, I don't know what is:
In 1992's Planned Parenthood v. Casey, Souter wrote that Roe v. Wade should not be overturned because it would be "a surrender to political pressure... So to overrule under fire in the absence of the most compelling reason to re-examine a watershed decision would subvert the Court's legitimacy beyond any serious question."[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Souter#Pla...
Yes, this is a perfect example of respecting "Stare Decisis" ---not being willing to overturn precedent without the most compelling of reasons.
Old Guy

Brookville, OH

#17301 Jan 14, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
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If this isn't a textbook leftist quote, I don't know what is...
Please explain why you think respecting precedent is a leftist position --- that seems to be a conservative approach.
Governor violate his oath

Logan, OH

#17302 Jan 14, 2013
Nasty illegal judge brady did this to Clair.

https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Campbell%20Hou...
or
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3zunngh6fot7rh9/Cam...

It is everybit bradys fault this man has been abused and exploited just like other people murdered and abused in the county by brady and his band of thugs.

Kasich has the evidence and power to remove this worthless creature but he chooses to protect thieves and pirates.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#17303 Jan 14, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
<quoted text>
The judiciary at the federal level should not be subject to electoral politics. It's bad enough at the state level where people are elected because they have Irish names.
I would limit federal judges to no more than 15 years at one level, and possibly allow them to be nominated by state governors instead of the President, with the exception of the Supreme Court.
It still doesn't solve the problem of outrageous rulings. Very few people consider the possible nominations when they elect a President. He alone has the say-so on who eventually gets in the SC.

I wonder how good of a job you or I would do at work if there was no way for us to ever lose our employment? Would you put in the same effort, strive for the same quality, have the same attendance record, be so concerned about the success of your company? I don't think so. After all, isn't that what the larger unions were about in the US? Where are they today?

I get the fact that they appoint judges so as not to be swayed by the voters, but many times, it sure seems like they're swayed anyway. In general, I don't think the people in this country have the dignity they did many years ago. Today, we put our own countrymen out of work so we can save a buck. Money is an obsession with many of us regardless of how much we have. People try and succeed in rigging the elections by cheating. Those who contribute nothing to this society of ours could care less if we go broke supporting them and their family. They have no shame paying for their food with a food stamp card and have the other cart behind them full of pet supplies, beer and then ask for a carton of cigarettes they pay cash for. No shame at all.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#17304 Jan 14, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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It still doesn't solve the problem of outrageous rulings. Very few people consider the possible nominations when they elect a President. He alone has the say-so on who eventually gets in the SC.
I wonder how good of a job you or I would do at work if there was no way for us to ever lose our employment? Would you put in the same effort, strive for the same quality, have the same attendance record, be so concerned about the success of your company? I don't think so. After all, isn't that what the larger unions were about in the US? Where are they today?
I get the fact that they appoint judges so as not to be swayed by the voters, but many times, it sure seems like they're swayed anyway. In general, I don't think the people in this country have the dignity they did many years ago. Today, we put our own countrymen out of work so we can save a buck. Money is an obsession with many of us regardless of how much we have. People try and succeed in rigging the elections by cheating. Those who contribute nothing to this society of ours could care less if we go broke supporting them and their family. They have no shame paying for their food with a food stamp card and have the other cart behind them full of pet supplies, beer and then ask for a carton of cigarettes they pay cash for. No shame at all.
You are forgetting about Senate confirmation.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#17305 Jan 14, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
All recent nominees have pledged that they uphold the idea of "Stare Decisis", respect for precedent. However, it is obvious that the conservative SCOTUS Judges would like nothing better than to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and would do it in a second if they had the numbers. Likewise, the Citizens United decision overturned long-standing precedent, even though John Roberts repeatedly supported "Stare Decisis" during his confirmation hearings.
I have never figured out how or why abortion made it to the Supremes since I am confused as what their jurisdiction is. Some one want to enlighten me?
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#17306 Jan 14, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
To suggest that they didn't realize that the appointment process itself would be enmeshed with and influenced by politics seems to me to not acknowledge their foresight, in general. Its foolish to think they didn't know that, specifically.
What they surely knew was that once someone was vetted and approved, they could not be removed other than through death, a legal finding of incompetency, or voluntary retirement.
woof
Of course, be aware of a very different perspective & attitude of government by the founders.
They were the ones in the trenches of the fight for independence which of course But 1; they had to have some formula. 2. Our nation was young enough, new enough, a little naive, quite inexperienced & idealistic enough to NOT realize what effect career politicians would have.
Remember, they expected 'Citizen Representation', NOT 40 yr reps.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#17307 Jan 14, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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You are forgetting about Senate confirmation.
TRUE. Which is supposed to create a good governmental balance which it seems has failed to do so since at least FDR if not B4 him.
It's a shame that the system doesn't work as intended.
Another reason for term limits.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#17308 Jan 14, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text> Of course, be aware of a very different perspective & attitude of government by the founders.
They were the ones in the trenches of the fight for independence which of course But 1; they had to have some formula. 2. Our nation was young enough, new enough, a little naive, quite inexperienced & idealistic enough to NOT realize what effect career politicians would have.
Remember, they expected 'Citizen Representation', NOT 40 yr reps.
That's because it paid nothing. Serving in federal government was looked at similar to serving in the military today. You didn't get squat and only the satisfaction of serving for your fellow Americans.

Now these jokers give themselves raises as if they were good little employees. No input on our behalf. They get up there and stomp their feet about CEO's and their golden parachute, but never bother to explain their retirement benefits to us. How is it they all leave the Congress millionaires if not multi-millionaires?

I constantly hear those violin stories about how they sleep in their offices while in DC because they have nowhere else to stay. Well, instead of voting for raises, why don't they vote for an apartment complex where they could stay while working?

What a racket.
Old Guy

Brookville, OH

#17309 Jan 14, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I have never figured out how or why abortion made it to the Supremes since I am confused as what their jurisdiction is. Some one want to enlighten me?
Here's where it started:
"In June 1969, Norma L. McCorvey discovered she was pregnant with her third child. She returned to Dallas, Texas, where friends advised her to assert falsely that she had been raped in order to obtain a legal abortion (with the understanding that Texas law allowed abortion in cases of rape and incest). However, this scheme failed because there was no police report documenting the alleged rape. She attempted to obtain an illegal abortion, but found the unauthorized site had been closed down by the police. Eventually, she was referred to attorneys Linda Coffee and Sarah Weddington.[8](McCorvey would give birth before the case was decided.)

In 1970, Coffee and Weddington filed suit in a U.S. District Court in Texas on behalf of McCorvey (under the alias Jane Roe). The defendant in the case was Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade, representing the State of Texas. McCorvey was no longer claiming her pregnancy was the result of rape, and later acknowledged that she had lied about having been raped.[9][10] "Rape" is not mentioned in the judicial opinions in this case.[11]

The district court ruled in McCorvey's favor on the legal merits of her case, and declined to grant an injunction against the enforcement of the laws barring abortion.[11] The district court's decision was based upon the 9th Amendment, and the court relied upon a concurring opinion by Justice Arthur Goldberg in the 1965 Supreme Court case of Griswold v. Connecticut,[12] finding in the decision for a right to privacy.[13]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade

The District Court's decision was appealed by those that opposed legal abortion. That eventually led to the Supreme Court decision.
why support anyone

Waverly, OH

#17310 Jan 14, 2013
why should we support anyone in any form of the law and government? there is no such thing as justice for all. no one honors the constitution and there are no honest and fair law enforcment in any form.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#17311 Jan 14, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I have never figured out how or why abortion made it to the Supremes since I am confused as what their jurisdiction is. Some one want to enlighten me?
The SCOTUS only takes cases that it chooses to take. A case arrives at the SC through a petition for a writ of certiorari. That is a petition explaining to the court why the side that lost in the lower court believes the case involves a federal constitutional right. In Roe v. Wade, Roe made the argument that the law criminalizing her abortion violated her right to privacy under the 1st, 4th, 5th, 9th and 14th amendments. At least four justices have to agree to hear the case.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#17312 Jan 14, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>TRUE. Which is supposed to create a good governmental balance which it seems has failed to do so since at least FDR if not B4 him.
It's a shame that the system doesn't work as intended.
Another reason for term limits.
Robert Bork's nomination was stopped by the Senate. At least a couple of W.'s picks were aborted short of making it to the court.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#17313 Jan 14, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
The SCOTUS only takes cases that it chooses to take. A case arrives at the SC through a petition for a writ of certiorari. That is a petition explaining to the court why the side that lost in the lower court believes the case involves a federal constitutional right. In Roe v. Wade, Roe made the argument that the law criminalizing her abortion violated her right to privacy under the 1st, 4th, 5th, 9th and 14th amendments. At least four justices have to agree to hear the case.
I need to do some surfing to ck this out but it's my bed time now. thanx for the info
LorenEberly

Fredericktown, OH

#17314 Jan 14, 2013
Jobs Ohio Program:

American Electric Power donating $2 million derived from American Electric Power marketing this $2 million in the price of American Electric Power.

And hold consumers of American Electric Power accountable to fund $2 million donation. With money derived from wages (union contract) investment and independent business profit.

This defies USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding American Electric Power and every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for electricity and every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

Defying USA Labor Law, the Constitution, and Realities demands makes it IMPOSSIBLE for President Obama and Congress to avoid fiscal cliff and balance every budget. Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.
titonton divaunte pants

United States

#17316 Jan 15, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
<quoted text>
The judiciary at the federal level should not be subject to electoral politics. It's bad enough at the state level where people are elected because they have Irish names.
I would limit federal judges to no more than 15 years at one level, and possibly allow them to be nominated by state governors instead of the President, with the exception of the Supreme Court.
sure but they are supposed to decide if existing laws are constitutional, not pass them from the bench. Its an abuse of power.

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