Who do you support for Governor in Oh...
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#33579 Sep 6, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>You really are confused especially not having ability to seperate the liberals and conservative that are found in both parties which they are right your lightbulb is definitely burned out.
You certainly are confusing. That I will concede. I thought that you were against liberalism and would vote for the least liberal candidate. I guess I was wrong and you vote for the most liberal candidate. You must admit that is a bit odd though in light of your constant ranting against liberals.
gov

Ironton, OH

#33582 Sep 7, 2014
Im not a voter as of this year
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#33583 Sep 7, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>You bring up something that I am curious about so I solicit your opinion.
There have been & will be times that we 'have to raise the debt limit' or fail to pay our bills.
The U.S. has been 'paying' bills with 'imaginary' money for decades & decades. That is why our debt is nearing 17 trillion.
How in the heck does increasing the pile of 'funny money' or play money (increasing debt) if you will, help us to keep paying our bills?
There seems to be some sort of legal parameters that I am unaware of. What do you know about this?
The reason we need to raise the ceiling is not because of what we are spending today, but what we've already spent years ago.

Take Commie Care for example. After the bill was passed, the money was allocated. The original cost was about a trillion dollars over ten years. Of course, now that is revised to much more.

So in the next ten years, the ceiling is going to have to be increased to pay for this program among all the others. Republican or Democrat, they are going to have to raise the ceiling or go into default. If that happens, our interest rates are automatically increased and we will eventually get to the point where the country will financially collapse because we won't even be able to keep up paying the interest alone.

Right now, we desperately need a balanced budget. In other words, only spend what we collect in taxes. Better still, spend less than we take in and start to repay this debt. If not, we are going to keep heading towards trouble for the generations behind us.

The solution to much of this is to make sure liberals never have power in this country again. Today, we very well may have a balanced budget, but DumBama would never allow it. His goal to make as many people government dependent as possible will keep pushing us further into debt. The collapse we are heading for is something nobody in this country has ever seen before. That's why many are not taking this seriously enough or willing to make the sacrifices needed to save the country. Give me my goodies now, and let it be somebody else's problem later.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#33584 Sep 7, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Liar. Keep making the crap up. You excel at it.
What am I lying about troll? Tell us.
woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#33585 Sep 7, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for producing another link that pretty much endorses what I said in post #33547 & agrees with the clock that I posted.
I see you don't understand the words "estimates" or "projections", just like you don't have a clue on how amendments work on bills in Congress. You've made that quite clear.
woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#33586 Sep 7, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No, McCain is not and I'll tell you why:
McCain wouldn't have pulled all of our troops out of Iraq so abruptly. McCain would have never plagued our nation with another Socialist healthcare system. McCain would not have spent nearly as much of our borrowed money in such a short time as DumBama did. I don't think McCain would have attacked our credit card institutions or banks.
McCain may have did some of the bailouts. He may have even tried to get the economy going by dumping "some" money into it. Taxes on the wealthy? I doubt it. He and his wife are wealthy.
Is McCain left? Yes he is, very much. More left than DumBama? Never. McCain may be left, but he's not a Socialist. Mind you, the only thing that stopped DumBama from further damage is the changeover of leadership in Congress from Democrat to Republican. If not for that, DumBama would have shown you just how left he was. Today, we would be over 22 trillion in debt and growing and the taxes on the wealth would have chased some of them right out of the country along with the jobs that we have left.
You idiot, every time McCain opens his mouth his war-mongering barking means spending a lot more money that they cry that we don't have. Oh, that's right, it's only for his buddies who have the right-wing bought and paid for. Oh that's right it, it was okay when "deficits don't matter", that is until you don't control the office anymore. You are nothing but a brainwashed broken record repeating the same lies over and over and over again.
woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#33587 Sep 7, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
What am I lying about troll? Tell us.
What don't you lie about? And every time you get busted you deny it or deflect to something else. Usually whatever Limpballs flavor of that day lie is.
Pops

Dayton, OH

#33588 Sep 7, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>I see you don't understand the words "estimates" or "projections", just like you don't have a clue on how amendments work on bills in Congress. You've made that quite clear.
YOU don't understand neither one is anymore reliable or certain to be 100% than the other. BOTH are based on 'best information'.
Quit blowing smoke up your own azz. It's clouding your brain.
Pops

Dayton, OH

#33589 Sep 7, 2014
I hear what you are saying Ray, the tune has played B4. But who is being fooled with 'cloud money'?
Like you & anyone with 1/2 a brain say, we MUST pay the interest which is about to take over the budget.
There is plenty of talk about the debt & deficit Every election cycle, from politicians, various economists in news interviews & printed articles yet all too many boneheaded voters perpetually elect jackasses to waste our taxes & then many of these boneheads complain but then elect or re-elect the same type of jackasses.
History is full of examples.
It seems that the majority of the voters & our 'reps' do not have 1/2 a brain.
Canton

Canton, OH

#33590 Sep 7, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>No you are just trying to find lame ass excuses for your terriblie decisions you have made and you what everybody else to pay for them and if you go back to 1980, Reagan was a Conservative in the Political Sense of a Conservative not the ideology of what a Conservative is today because Reagan favored Old Left Liberalism which is what Trickle Down Economics was based on & rejected New Left Liberalism which is Trickle Up Economics which gives no incentive for people to work and is why Detroit is Bankrupt and you are one of them that wants to see the US look like Detroit and whole US is heading down the same road as Detroit, MI.
If the New Left hadnt taken of the Democrat Party in the 1960's, Reagan would have still been a Liberal Democrat and like Reagan said he didnt leave the Party, the Party left Him for New Left Radicalism.
Now if only the very right wing Conservative CEO's pay hadn't increased exponentially while the middle class flat lined for 20 or so years, all you bogus crap about trickle up might be even a speck close to the truth. You guys sure do like to talk alot but for some reason, the facts and numbers don't EVER seem to back up your claims.

Pssssst. Hey mouth boy...the numbers tell us you are just another right wing Tea Bagging kook. Next?
Duke for Mayor

Northfield, OH

#33591 Sep 7, 2014
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Now if only the very right wing Conservative CEO's pay hadn't increased exponentially while the middle class flat lined for 20 or so years, all you bogus crap about trickle up might be even a speck close to the truth. You guys sure do like to talk alot but for some reason, the facts and numbers don't EVER seem to back up your claims.
Pssssst. Hey mouth boy...the numbers tell us you are just another right wing Tea Bagging kook. Next?
George Soros? Warren Bufett? Just to mention a few you twit.

woof
woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#33593 Sep 7, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>YOU don't understand neither one is anymore reliable or certain to be 100% than the other. BOTH are based on 'best information'.
Quit blowing smoke up your own azz. It's clouding your brain.
Never mind, you keep proving that it's over your head, just like xxx.
Canton

Canton, OH

#33594 Sep 7, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
George Soros? Warren Bufett? Just to mention a few you twit.
woof
I think the key word here is "few". Now let's all ponder Warren Buffett's views on your corporate fascist vision for America while you continue to fight against your own interests. If things are "trickling up", like our friend who keeps blabbering about the New Left blah blah blah, then why are the poor just as poor as ever, the middle class flat lined for decades and the big boss man just rolling in that exponentially growing cash? You freaking idiots want to cry about class warfare. Guess what. You ain't the 1%, son, and anything you Tea Baggers do to suck off the "job creators" is nothing short of treason to the majority of hard working, middle class Americans.
Canton

Canton, OH

#33595 Sep 8, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
The reason we need to raise the ceiling is not because of what we are spending today, but what we've already spent years ago.
Take Commie Care for example. After the bill was passed, the money was allocated. The original cost was about a trillion dollars over ten years. Of course, now that is revised to much more.
So in the next ten years, the ceiling is going to have to be increased to pay for this program among all the others. Republican or Democrat, they are going to have to raise the ceiling or go into default. If that happens, our interest rates are automatically increased and we will eventually get to the point where the country will financially collapse because we won't even be able to keep up paying the interest alone.
Right now, we desperately need a balanced budget. In other words, only spend what we collect in taxes. Better still, spend less than we take in and start to repay this debt. If not, we are going to keep heading towards trouble for the generations behind us.
The solution to much of this is to make sure liberals never have power in this country again. Today, we very well may have a balanced budget, but DumBama would never allow it. His goal to make as many people government dependent as possible will keep pushing us further into debt. The collapse we are heading for is something nobody in this country has ever seen before. That's why many are not taking this seriously enough or willing to make the sacrifices needed to save the country. Give me my goodies now, and let it be somebody else's problem later.
I just read an article stating that we are still in debt and paying for World War II. Blame Obama. As far as this paranoid vision you have of everything crumbling into despair in America, we already saved ourselves from that exact scenario that was caused by GW Bush, by electing Obama twice. You're welcome. Try not to let your Tea Bagging ignorance destroy our country again.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#33597 Sep 8, 2014
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
I just read an article stating that we are still in debt and paying for World War II. Blame Obama. As far as this paranoid vision you have of everything crumbling into despair in America, we already saved ourselves from that exact scenario that was caused by GW Bush, by electing Obama twice. You're welcome. Try not to let your Tea Bagging ignorance destroy our country again.
My Tea Bagging ignorance told me that DumBama not only outspent Bush, but did it in less than four years. My TB ignorance also told me that we have the most government dependents in decades. It also told me we have more Americans out of the job market in over 35 years.

Thank President CAR? With friends like him, who needs enemies?
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#33598 Sep 8, 2014
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the key word here is "few". Now let's all ponder Warren Buffett's views on your corporate fascist vision for America while you continue to fight against your own interests. If things are "trickling up", like our friend who keeps blabbering about the New Left blah blah blah, then why are the poor just as poor as ever, the middle class flat lined for decades and the big boss man just rolling in that exponentially growing cash? You freaking idiots want to cry about class warfare. Guess what. You ain't the 1%, son, and anything you Tea Baggers do to suck off the "job creators" is nothing short of treason to the majority of hard working, middle class Americans.
Really? So can we charge CAR with treason since the rich have never gotten richer under his administration? We Tea Baggers didn't vote for him--you Socialists did. Blame yourselves.
Canton

Canton, OH

#33599 Sep 8, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
My Tea Bagging ignorance told me that DumBama not only outspent Bush, but did it in less than four years. My TB ignorance also told me that we have the most government dependents in decades. It also told me we have more Americans out of the job market in over 35 years.
Thank President CAR? With friends like him, who needs enemies?
That would be a very valid point you make if the numbers showed your comments to be true. Unfortunately for you, but good for the rest of America, you are just another blow hard Tea Bagger, slinging any desperate attempt to make our current moderate president seem even remotely close to being as bad as the horrible, and I'm talking practically sunk our whole country horrible political choices you made when GW may or may not have won the elections. Now remind us all what the worst unemployment rate was under Reagan, as compared to right now. Don't forget to toss in a provided and unproven Tea Bagger excuse for those cold hard facts. You know, like when you told me gas was $4 a gallon under Bush because our country was "doing so good". People like you make hard working, tax paying Americans sick. It's why your magic world never leaks into the real world and stays firmly in the Fox News and Rush Pillhead bubble. Hey, at least Rush has drugs to blame for his absurd claims. Now how about you?
Canton

Canton, OH

#33600 Sep 8, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? So can we charge CAR with treason since the rich have never gotten richer under his administration? We Tea Baggers didn't vote for him--you Socialists did. Blame yourselves.
Sorry, I'm a gun owning, Eagle Scout Democrat. You must be thinking of some corporate sponsored hypothetical notion when you keep blabbering about everyone who doesn't suck off boss man as being a "Socialist". Speaking of getting the shaft by the big boss man...How's that smoking habit doing you? Still buying smokies instead of being responsible and paying for health insurance?

Since: Aug 11

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#33601 Sep 8, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
You certainly are confusing. That I will concede. I thought that you were against liberalism and would vote for the least liberal candidate. I guess I was wrong and you vote for the most liberal candidate. You must admit that is a bit odd though in light of your constant ranting against liberals.
You certainly are confusing yourself since you dont understand that being a Republican doesnt mean one is a conservative which McCain has confirmed with his Liberal Record in Washington DC and at the time McCain proved he was more liberal than Obama at the time too if you recall and you yourself should have voted for McCain yourself.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#33602 Sep 8, 2014
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Now if only the very right wing Conservative CEO's pay hadn't increased exponentially while the middle class flat lined for 20 or so years, all you bogus crap about trickle up might be even a speck close to the truth. You guys sure do like to talk alot but for some reason, the facts and numbers don't EVER seem to back up your claims.
Pssssst. Hey mouth boy...the numbers tell us you are just another right wing Tea Bagging kook. Next?
Pssst. y Hey Mouth Boy you are the one that is having a Problem with Liberalism you left wing bigots advocate for and you are one of the many Useful !diots that the Liberals depend on because you dont know what Liberalism as Liberal Democrats especially call it.

Wednesday, June 16, 2010

Liberals pro big business? The facts say it is so

Many liberals (aka progressives) like to say that the democratic party is the party of the people, and the republicans are the party of big corporations. This is what they want people to think, yet the opposite is true.

In fact, liberals are pro big business. They want fewer private businesses, because with few large corporations it's easier for liberals to tell these business owners what they want to hear, and then make laws that favor them, so that these progressives can slowly move forward their progressive agenda.

Of course we know that the progressive agenda is to create "social reform" by creating more state control and regulations. Thus, by the democrats creating more regulations, they are in turn driving out small businesses who cannot afford to pay the overhead. Big businesses, however the corporate bosses like to complain, can afford the new overhead, and are more likely to stay in business and live on.

The first perfect example I can think of is one of the first progressive actions way back in 1906 when Upton Sinclair wrote his book about the poor cases in the meat packing industry. He painted such a bad picture that President Theodor Roosevelt moved to pass regulations that would benefit the people, and force corporations to produce cleaner, healthier foods.

The problem with this picture is that not all meat packers were corrupt this way. In fact, a majority were small businesses that were honest with their work, and sold a healthy product. Yet the few bad big businesses that were out to make money at the expense of a good product were the few rotten apples that spoiled the batch.

So, in the end, most of the the small and (mostly) honest businesses were driven out of business because they couldn't afford to pay the new regulations, and pay to purchase all the new technology to make the product the way the "state" now regulated. So, in the end, the same big businesses that were "corrupt" were the same businesses that stayed in businesses.

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